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Four Contributions of Molybdenum to Steel

Posted August 17, 2010 10:53 AM by Milo

By retarding transformation rates, molybdenum improves the hardenability of its alloy steel grades.

Believe it or not, its name is from the Greek word for lead.

Molybdenum is an essential micronutrient, but large doses can be highly toxic. Fortunately, we don't eat our alloy steels.

Molybdenum ("moly") is added to constructional steels to

  1. Improve hardenability by slowing the transformation (moving the nose of the curve to the right);
  2. Reduce embrittlement during tempering
  3. Enhance the creep strength of low alloy steel grades at higher temperature,
  4. Add resistance to corrosion.

Moly does this in very low quantities, and so it is truly a "synergistic" alloying element. Typical moly additions in constructional steels are around 0.10-0.60% by weight. Moly analysis typically runs 0.20-0.30 in the low hardening 40XX grades; 0.15-0.25 in the 41XX series of alloy steels; and 0.20-0.30 in the deeper hardening 43XX and 48XX steels.

Moly has been reported in Japanese swords as far back as the 14th Century, but its first major military use was for tank armor in World War I. The French firm Schneider & Company made moly armor plate which at 25 mm was able to stop a direct hit from a shell. The prior manganese armor plate at 75mm thick was not so impervious and the reduction of steel mass by about 2/3 made the tanks with moly armor much more mobile (speed and manuverable) in combat. Today moly is an indispensable part of many aerospace and high temperature applications including rocket nozzles.

While Moly can be the only alloying element added (40XX steels) it is also used in combination with Chrome (41XX) Nickel (46XX and 48Xx, or in a triple alloy combination with Chrome and Nickel (43XX or 86XX) as well as other grades (87XX, 88XX, and grade 9310 come to mind).

But where we see moly in our shops is in our M- series tool steels. That M prefix stands for Molybdenum, which gives these tools steels their characteristic high hot hardness. Moly content in M series tool steels ranges from 4.50% up to 9.50% by weight. It is the ability of these steels to resist softening at high temperatures that makes them so useful in our shops at production speeds and feeds.

The moly tool steels also have a tendency to decarburize so careful grinding and attention to details in heat treatment is critical in toolmaking and sharpening.

For more info on Molybdenum, Click on the Mindmap for Molybdenum.

Photo of moly metal.

Trivia: the first commercial heatof Moly High Speed Steel was by Universal Cyclops in 1931. Grade AISI M1. They called it Motung for, you guessed it, MOly TUNGsten.

Editor's Note: CR4 thanks Milo for sharing this blog entry, which originally appeared here.

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08/17/2010 11:02 PM

Molybdenum was called "Molybdenum" meaning Lead in Ancient Greek because they mistook moly ore for lead ore. Though it was also confused with graphite.

It also used in the austenetic stainless steel grades like 309MoL, for fundamentally the same reasons it's used in the 40XX and 41XX low alloy steels

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08/18/2010 7:22 AM

I am really enjoying this discussion! Moly has been in my work for many, many years. I have had successes and failures with it in various alloying conditions.

I found early on, that when welding Cr Mo materials, preheat is not an option! It is an absolute necessity. I remember one instance that taught my welding foreman to listen when I said, "preheat even before you tack"! 21 tack welds were made at the end of the day shift, and the foreman and I were doing our walk-about for planning the next day's work. We heard a "pop", and another "pop" and we ultimately counted 21 "pops". All the tack welds cracked. I never had to mention preheat again. All our welding procedures include preheat ranges, especially for Cr Mo materials.

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08/18/2010 7:52 AM

Thanks for sharing your experience with us!

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08/18/2010 11:01 AM

The love in my country for these material becomes in misticism and ..Danger!People use 4140 for almost everything (much cheaper than 4340).Original bolts ,studs and shafts (and common 1010frames!) are succesfully replaced by 4140 (i feel better than originals sweden or germanies steel spares) but i saw sometimes manufacturers of gears replace the 8620 and 3320 by this easier workable material for customers in hurry without knowledge about steels.-

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08/18/2010 12:25 PM

I like to work with steel but is there a good reference website to find out what metal is the most suitable for a type of job and how to weld, anneal or sometimes even process to use to work it?

Any advice or suggestion appreciated.

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08/18/2010 1:59 PM

Unfortunately, there is no "tells all" site that I know about. There are several sites that have helpful information. This site is very good if you will ask a specific question. I am sure someone can and will answer about any question you post. If you ask each of the questions in your message one at a time, I'll bet you will get your answers. For instance, if you will say you are building a utility trailer for hauling a riding mower, someone will tell you what material to use and how to weld it.

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08/18/2010 10:08 PM

If you just looking for a reference to confirm your ideas on what steel to use then CR4 or even wikipedia isn't a bad source for just raw info.

But when choosing any material your considerations should include the application, life expectancy in that application, cost, look (does it need to be "pretty") and even down to details like joint design changing that can change things like plate thickness needed and it goes on from their.

This sort of analysis is near impossible to put into to a static web site.

I personally like making a list of what I need from a material and then look around at the materials available. The material that ticks the most box (so to speak) wins.

Of course sometimes you don't get to choose which material you use. Which is very much take the fun out of it.

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08/19/2010 11:43 AM

As others have noted, there are a lot of considerations for selecting a steel for an application and those considerations also have to deal with fabrication as well as suitable for use.

I can give you some 'first principles" to keep in mind:

http://pmpaspeakingofprecision.com/2009/12/29/carbon-equivalent-and-weldability/

http://pmpaspeakingofprecision.com/2009/11/10/basics-of-the-north-american-steel-grade-system-carbon/

http://pmpaspeakingofprecision.com/2009/11/03/the-basics-of-the-north-american-steel-grade-system/

Keep in mind higher carbon = higher strength, but at loss of weldability;

Higher sulfur = better machinability but poor weldability.

Many structural grades are about 0.30 carbon max. This provides moderate strength, needed ductility, and suitable weldability.

In my comments I have not addressed the issues of corrosion, need for stainless, high mechanical properties, nor pressure or safety critical applications.


CR4 has some great talent, and often from hands on practical folks as well as professionals. Your queries are always welcome here.

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08/19/2010 11:48 AM

Should you consider stainless steel is really steel? is a way to compare its mech resistance parameters against ordinary SAE steels?.-

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08/19/2010 1:59 PM

Milo, that is very good fundamental education! I said those very same words in teaching my metallurgy class.

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08/19/2010 2:07 PM

Thanks Prof!

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