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How Can Coatings Companies Breathe Easier?

Posted November 03, 2010 7:09 AM

A recent study published in the journal of the Public Library of Science, PLoS ONE, shows that children who sleep in rooms with water-based paints and solvents are two to four times more likely to develop asthma and allergies. Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are the culprits, though some are surprised that water-based products are indicated as problematic, since they are believed to be better than oil-based substances. Will these findings spur development for low-VOC compounds? Or, has the discovery shone a light on a product that is not as good as once thought?

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11/03/2010 9:48 AM

This is yet another load of BS!

For several decades, scientists have tried to unravel why allergies and asthma have skyrocketed among children throughout the developed world since the 1970s.

Prior to the 1970's paint had far higher VOC's and even lead. If this could be attributed to paint, it would have revealed itself long ago.

I can tell you exactly what's causing this, I've seen it first hand, and I don't need a Harvard degree or a study to tell you the cause.

Since the 1970's more and more people in the developed world can afford controlled heating and air conditioning........bottom line, in the perpetual quest to have a perfect indoor environment, no one opens their windows anymore.

This results in a toxic buildup of indoor pollutants derived from cooking, cleaning, breathing, farting and just about every other indoor human activity. Paint may contribute, but it's a small part of the stew.

I know this to be true. I paint for a living, constant exposure for almost 30 years. My sister lives in the next town over.......since her son has allergies, she has not opened her windows since moving into the home in about 1995. I was over there to do some painting a couple of weeks ago, it was the same for me as always, the air felt heavy, even though the temperature was just right. Within an hour I felt as if I wasn't getting enough oxygen and had to go outside. I opened the windows in the room I was painting and it helped immensely.

My sister gets sinus infections, her son still has asthma, and she won't believe me that opening the windows will help. Swears that the pollen outside will sicken them all........Oh well.

Don't want sick kids? Open the windows, it's just that simple.

This is nothing more but another attempt by the intellectual elite to get more frivolous regulations passed to further cripple yet another industry.

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11/04/2010 4:37 AM

I would hope at least that she does regular Radon checks........not opening the windows is a real no-no....for many rasons.....not only radon.

I personally feel that there are too many highly disinfectant products sold and used indiscriminately, all the natural things around that a persons body needs to experience to help keeps its "anti-bodies" really fit.......

Too much over cleaning with disinfectant and similar products is the real reason for these problems.........and in at least one case, not replacing the used up air from time to time......

I can well believe that coatings are also leeching poisons into the atmosphere in a house and they also need to be replaced with clean outside air.

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11/04/2010 9:00 AM

GA! Fresh air is the best.

I installed an efficient air exchanger (with heat recovery) in my newer home as the highly insulated and air tight construction was like a bubble. Coupled with the central air circulation system, there isn't a room with stale air in the house.

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11/11/2010 6:55 PM

Hi Marco,

Please, take care about yourself and your family if you have one, and change the filters of your "central air circulation system" as often as possible. For the fun, send to a micro-biology lab and ask for a complete analysis of your filter. The result will surprises you, I guarantee it, Gil.

NB: All the best in your "bubble" with clean filters!!! I am sincere!

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11/11/2010 6:49 PM

Hi Marat,

Don't forget to clean and change the filter in your AC. When your throat has some difficulties, this indicate the need for filter change.

I was poisoned in a hotel in New Orleans. Just get out to the clean natural air, I get back to normal. Sorry, I make some advertizing.

You are absolutely right, in "modern life", we need clean and more clean but we poison ourselves by being too clean. Example, we clean water before drinking it with all kinds of chemicals to kill bacterias, germs, and other pollutents, and finally we get sick with the purified water. Same for cow milk. We adjust to human and finally we get allergies and other intolerances.

Think about, bread is made with 23 or more ingredients listed on the package. Whenyou make a toast, the decomposition of all these ingredients can make you sick, and I talk about the smoke in the kitchen. Solution? Make your toasts outside and eat them inside.

Get in the nature and the nature will not kill you, Gil.

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11/11/2010 7:11 PM

Hi Marat,

I forget to tell you that paint companies don't care too much about pollutents in their compositions. The workers are fine and don't develop allergies, not many. They hire only healthy people and look after their health. We in the other side, we became sensitive to volatile and smelling chemicals because we are not getting every day as do workers. We are more easily reacting to them or these chemicals are more harmful to us than to workers? Who knows? Or, it's possible. I, personally worked for over 45 years in the paint industry with all kinds of solvents, amines and other smelling and volatile products without any difficulties. However, during the last 6 years and more I make only waterbourne stains and sealers without solvents and others smelling ingredients. I became sensitive, to solvents, amines, and other smelling products when I am in contact with them. The products are the same but I became sensitive to them. Why? I have no answer. Oh! My body refuses the second attack of those products! Finally, I have the answer.

I think, exposition to new products - smelling VOCs - we react because we don't know what to with it. At certain time our body refuses to do something against, just refuses to accept them, and we feel bad and sick, Gil.

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11/03/2010 5:03 PM

Looks like I've got this blog to myself......Good, because I'm not done.

Furthermore, there is no mention whatsoever of the socio-economic circumstances of the test subjects. If there had been, I believe they would have found that the less affluent kids, (the ones who's parents are less likely to have a controlled indoor environment, have the windows open and spend more time outdoors), would be in overall better health.

Not only would the indoor pollutants be at far lower levels, but the time outside would have allowed their immune systems to grow accustomed to common outdoor allergens.

To conclude, I would have to say, that studies such as this are designed and written like a mystery novel, it only leads to more studies...........an evil industry must be behind this.......a culprit must be found.....we need more funding to discover the true answer......we will not rest until we find out what's making the children sick.

If studies like this concluded that opening the windows once or twice a week was the answer, it would be these wizards of smart that would be out of work.....and funding.

I'm done now.

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11/11/2010 12:10 PM

Hi Marat,

We all have to understand that some people have opportunities to get money from governments or industries, and they make studies for some purpose, for new product development or similar. They work hard to obtain more money for more studies. This is the way that we have in the past only one T......l but today, we have for every illness in different colours and tastes to get back to our normal... I'm sure, someone will come out: take a pill per day and you eliminate your trouble caused by VOCs! We are waiting, isn't it?

As VOCs in everyday house paints, nobody want to legislate on. We made some moves from 250 g/litre 200 to 150 to 100 g/litre but here we are jammed into meetings and more meetings without decision because we riched the limite of 50 g/litre and the next is "zero", and there will be no more room for legislation. It's hard to make the change from some g/litre to "zero", and after that we have no more meetings. Also, changes will hurt the coating industry and they are all big boys. The same was happened with the GM electric car. "Scrap it" because we have oil and we don't like changes. Change costs money! It involves design, research and development, testings, financial, production with new equipment, sales and servicing, etc...

What you said is right: To conclude, I would have to say, that studies such as this are designed and written like a mystery novel, it only leads to more studies...........an evil industry must be behind this.......a culprit must be found.....we need more funding to discover the true answer......we will not rest until we find out what's making the children sick.

However, we don't have the power to change something and our voices make rarely impact on people who could make changes but we vote for them.

After the WWII, we send "milk powder" to African countries to eliminate starvation but we killed more people with the milk, so we stopped to supply it. Why? Because we discover, this was the study = killing people, that 75% of human population digestive system cannot handle cow milk, or are lactose intolerant.

Volatiles, solvents in waterbourne paints are present but because legislations give permission to manufacturers to put in, cost savings and quality improvements. Other chemicals are more dangerous like formaldehyde, benzene, and other contained in additives without saying it's there, due to small level.

For example, when we buy bread made with 23 or more ingredients written on the package, in reality you have more ingredients in. Corn syrop is one of the ingredients and by it-self, corn syrop when is delivered in drums or bulk to the bread-makers contains already 6 to 9 other ingredients. Preservatives, colourants, additives, and other fluidifiers to make looking better and tasting more natural and just sweeter than anything else without some aftertaste.

Marat, these studies are not made to solve any problem, they just say what kind of problems they cause or do. The solution comes sometimes from us when we are informed and understand what and how to do the solution or we wait for legislations which can take eternity(s).

Me too, one of your supporter, I am done, Gil.

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11/03/2010 10:54 PM

To add on the opinion, I read somewhere that the best way to prevent your kids from getting asthma is bring them up with a cow! That is supposed to expose them to levels of dust etc that will bring immunity.

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11/04/2010 1:36 AM

GA kramarat!

These studies are usually egg headed things due to the inability of the scientist to understand the variables. Or if they do understand all the variables they choose to do it the easy way.

They should have one room with walls of mud coated with dry cow dung.

Maybe another an old log cabin with mildew in the logs etc - etc

Ventilate the home, let the kids play and get dirty!

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11/04/2010 10:07 AM

I agree with most / all the reactions to this newest "study." I am sick and tired of every kind of vested interest, including our government, trying to turn this country into a bunch of hand-wringing, wimpering weenies! Apparently, fear sells. Oh, were scared of this and we're scared to fly and we're scared of that. The really sad part is that a lot of people, mostly younger folks since their experience is limited, actually live their lives afraid. This does not bode well for the risk-taking, pioneering, innovative spirit that made this country great. Whatever happened to "there's nothing to fear but fear itself."

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11/04/2010 10:09 AM

I agree with most / all the reactions to this newest "study." I am sick and tired of every kind of vested interest, including our government, trying to turn this country into a bunch of hand-wringing, wimpering weenies! Apparently, fear sells. Oh, were scared of this and we're scared to fly and we're scared of that. The really sad part is that a lot of people, mostly younger folks since their experience is limited, actually live their lives afraid. This does not bode well for the risk-taking, pioneering, innovative spirit that made this country great. Whatever happened to "there's nothing to fear but fear itself."

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your comments are not required as your "Twin" posted exactly the same comments just before you.

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11/04/2010 11:23 AM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the support. I was able to find a pretty comprehensive list of VOC sources within the home, here.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but take a look at this list and then think about how often interior painting with water based paints takes place. To lay the blame on water based paints is irresponsible and just ridiculous.

My sister is a know-it-all and most of what I have to say is ignored.......unless she's got something broken that needs to be fixed.

As far as I'm concerned, the title of this blog should have been, " New study shows that studies aren't worth the paper they're written on."

Now I'm fully aware that industry isn't completely blameless when it comes to pollution, etc., but this is over the top.

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11/11/2010 10:40 AM

Hi Blog Initiator,

I understand the problem coming from paints, waterbourne or solvent-based, can cause asthma and other allergic developments for youngs living in rooms where walls and ceilings are painted.

First: In paint manufactures many people are exposed higher concentrations to those volatiles mentioned and don't have bad effects on those people and "breath" easy.

Second: Most of paints contain some volatiles from very toxics to harmless. The NO VOC paints are unpunished lies.

Third: Why this report was not sended to every paint manufacturers in the country and asking to make changes?

Fourth: Why governments don't legislate once for ever on VOCs?

This blog or many others are interesting and could solve human problems but just make a study to put on a magazine or a newspaper, it's foulish without any results. We complain about many things but little actions are made for corrections.

Only action produces result, Gil.

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