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Why don't trees catch a cold or why do we have a planetary protection officer?

01/05/2008 12:44 PM

The fact that trees don't catch a our cold has the same reason why we don't need to fear "back contamination" from places like Mars. Microbes are "keyed" to their hosts.

This seems reasonable, even logical but after careful consideration one starts wondering about this.

Especially as we have what is called a planetary protection officer, who's job it is to protect earth, as well as our solar system and outer cosmos, from cross contamination.

Since 1998, our ppo has been John D Rummel (family of cr3?), and he has been responsible for setting up a widely accepted procedure for the decontamination of spacecraft as well as the material handling of space dust and solar system rocks.

I got interested in this as one of my science links showed this video about his job. At the bottom is the video link (if he is not there try the right hand side "other video's" option)

After listening to him I searched him on google and came up with more information which I thought might be enjoyed by others here on CR4.

Who is our ppo

I never even thought about this but after reading, and seeing him on the video, it makes more sense. Hopefully other "new" space race countries will do things with the same care so that space isn't going to end up like the Arctic regions and we don't have to deal with "invading" microbes.

Makes you wonder what they will do with the materials that are already down on those planets. Several landers and probes have made it safely to Saturn, Jupiter, their Moons, our Moon and now Mars. These crafts will decompose and do we know exactly what concoction that will brew up combined with the respective atmospheres, I thought not.

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Re: Why don't trees catch a cold or why do we have a planetary protection officer?

01/05/2008 11:35 PM

parasites are finely tuned to their prey. things that devour are less choosy.

the main problem eaters will find is the chance they will find our ingredients differ in some way in terms of rotating carbon junctions that give rise the two forms for each such joint. so a protein chain in us will reisist his digestive enzymes due to bad lock-key fit problems, which enzymes need.

simple sugars/fats might be edible. but many of the protein building blocks will be useless and no cells will be built = no reproduction.

Of course, how does that help you if this large alien beast swallowed you whole and then dies....

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Re: Why don't trees catch a cold or why do we have a planetary protection officer?

01/09/2008 5:45 PM

Hey there a scifi movie for you. Some guy sneezes on a circuit board. Its offspring in in a couple thousand years come back to try to devastate the earth.

As far as trees and plants are concerned I think they have their own bugs and viruses. Just be glad that their DNA is far different from ours. We all ready have to continue with animal viruses mutating like the old Swine flu and now the Avian flu.

Just what we need is the corn flu.

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01/10/2008 8:19 AM

You are absolutely correct about plants having plant-specific diseases, from parasites like root nematodes (can destroy whole fields of crops) to bacterial ailments, and viruses (such as the tobacco mosaic virus). Corn flu... That's not just trans-species, or trans-phylum, that's trans-kingdom. Highly unlikely it could happen, but if it did, don't be afraid - be VERY afraid! (Where's Orville Redenbacher, now when we need him most?!?)

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01/10/2008 12:57 PM

We have blue tongue in the UK at the moment and this is distributed by midges, a small mozzi like creature.

Who is to say that the combination of drinking the blood of different guest animals, including humans, and the fact that they need to synthesise it to their food, will not ever be able to produce a cross over disease like blue tongue for humans? It happened with idiot diseases like mad cow which allegedly mutated into jacobs creuzfeld (my spelling may be out a few consonants but I cannot be bothered to check it however I am prepared to type this long sentence to explain my short coming) Do you think I have mad cows for people?

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01/10/2008 1:52 PM

There are theories that reservoir animals (like the cows) and vector animals (like your 'mozzis' - sounds like what we call no-see-ums) can be breeding grounds for mutations, yes. Some viruses are capable of clipping partial strands of dna (google plasmids) and introducing them into a host's genome.

Mad cow for people? Probably not, but if you want some, here 'tis...

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01/10/2008 3:09 PM

Hi case491,

most of our todays illnesses made it the way you mentioned!

Look at some book on the history of white man in the Americas, this is a history not only of arms and tools made from steel but more a history of illnesses brought with them and (fewer) illnesses brought back to Europe.

Most of these illnesses came from early people living close with their cows, goats, sheep, ... None of these illnesses were known to native American. So they had a hard time as the European people with the imported Syphilis. (Further reading in the book by Jared Diamond: Guns, Germs and Steel).

Also Malaria (the worst strain), AIDS, birds flu are crossovers from animals.

Mad cow disease is very likely to be very different.

So we will face -sooner or later- a next big epidemic that will threaten many lives, but how to prepare?

The European three waves of the medieval pest (14th century) killed at least 30% of the inhabitants.

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01/11/2008 9:13 AM

I know and that is therefor a big part of the reason why we have a PPO. Any organic compound, weather alive or not, could affect the way our organisms respond and interact with each other so we want to keep them separate until fully understood.

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01/11/2008 1:06 PM

True - mad cow disease is thought to be spread by "prions" - more than a protein, less than a virus, barely meets the definition of "life", but possibly capable of wiping a species (including OURS!) out.

Check out those plasmids yet? Interesting stuff...

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01/11/2008 2:43 PM

And to think WE created that bastard due to our GREED. Those humans seem not worth the benefit of life if you ask me. (if you can call them humans)

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01/11/2008 4:40 PM

Why is it, do you suppose, that when it comes to torture and like cruelty, we call it "man's inhumanity to man". It's really man's humanity to man, isn't it? No other creature kills for fun, for sport, for the sake of killing, or out of some malicious sense of righteousness. They kill for food, for self-defense, or if forced to by men (as in dogfighting or cock fights staged for amusement). Only MAN is cruel; only MEN torture their own kind. And other kinds, too, of course...

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01/12/2008 4:45 AM

There are however several known situations where other animals kill for what seems to be entirely driven by blood lust.

Chimpanzees can mount a hunt for colobus monkeys or even their own kind but from a different neighbouring group. They will also cannibalise their own and the whole group will go into a screaming frenzy as to leer them on. The hunt seems to act as a bonding activity amongst the group and strengthens their cooperative skills. It is not yet proven that they actually need the meat as they are vegetarians but it is possible the two reasons are both valid.

The other example is the annual salmon killing bears. It is true that they go for the fatty salmon eggs and this is to help them build up their own fat reserves for their winter sleep. Sometimes they go into a killing stampede in which they get so taken up by the overwhelming amounts of salmon that they just react to every movement and "forget" to actually eat the fish or the eggs. The result is a beach full of dead salmons, most of them hardly eaten at all.

It would be stupid to condemn these animals for what they do of course but it is equally naive to think we don't have our background instincts. Perverted as they may by eons of war and fighting and other society problems, these hunting and killing skills are the reason why we are what we are.

Greed however has no justification in my mind as I find it hard to reconcile it with any reasons for survival.

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01/14/2008 8:56 AM

Yes, and there are numerous instances of reports (including by my own grandparents who raised chickens for eggs and meat) of weasels killing chickens in henhouses w/o eating them. Again, likely attributable to "bloodlust", and that would also go a long way toward explaining the WWF and similar "combat" television entertainment (hardly 'sport' I think).

What I meant was calculated torture such as engaged in by humans. No other species has concocted dungeons, torture chambers, or elaborate mechanisms for the pupose of inflicting pain and death. Or, for that matter, arena "sports" from gladiatorial combat to corridas.

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01/18/2008 9:32 AM

< Why don't trees catch a cold >

Maybe because they don't have noses?

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01/18/2008 11:32 AM

It's a possibility!

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