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I sincerely wish you the best possible luck. Seldom did I find such a human message!

Bravo Dr. Shyam..

Now turn that talent loose on solving the problem of altenative energy. Some how the energy needs for all those people need to be met in a way that they won't need to use petrol power to build a better life.

Shyam:

With regard to alternative energy,pPlease speed up India's work on the Thorium cycle nuclear reactors. India is the only nation working on this technology, insofar as I know. It is a major need for Indian energy independence, and will be a tremendous asset for the entire world once implemented and proven.

Hi

Good question indeed.

The fast breeder reactor is the one which can use Thorium as fuel. Natural Thorium is not directly used and requires chemical transformation before it can be used in the reactor. It is to be made a fissile material similar to U235 but not U235.

Fast reactors are very small in size and do not require moderators like heavy water. However, the coolant is not water but a molten Sodium metal that flows through steel pipes at high temperature.

Our entire sea coast has deposits of Thorium in its sands. Hence it is an open mine 1200km long and 1-3km wide and will take 500 years to mine. Indian Rare Earth Limited does the mining http://irel.gov.in/ . We get Rare earth elements and Thorium out of it from Ilmenite, Rutile, Zircon, Sillimanite, Garnet and Monazite sand mineral. These are heavier minerals than normal sand so are separated by density difference. Technique is rather simple.

I think China has the biggest source of similar minerals and will beat the world if it starts using it. India and China can work together on this project. We have no problem working with them as people of China respect Indian brain and accept their talent and employ in large numbers. I also admire working capability of people of China and their way out hiring capability of Indian talent. High school educated man/women in China hires a Ph.D. educated from India and willing to pay haply $8000 per month is something can be called of real guts. I was hired in this way so I know what they are made of.

Our concern is not our resources of Thorium or Uranium or willingness or unwillingness of the world to give us U235. We can not pollute our land and affect our people and create any radiation problem in India. This is our own deterrent. Even if world gives us all its U235, we will not take it. Where we will keep all that or use it? We are not foolish. Our society is very vigilant and it is democratically governed country. Government will topple the minute any problem it creates for its people any where in the country. People will not like it at all. People can live here without power but will not like their water to be polluted by radioactivity.

Hence, we will go as slow as tortoise and that is what we are. We are not rabbits any time in the history. We do not want to becomes richest country in the world either. Most of the people have never seen any bank and do not know how to write cheque book.

Now that we do have huge population (20 million) roaming around the world with laptops and mobiles and bla-bla-bla music so they will also bring in some $$$ to India. This sure going to disturb balance in India. Often this part is solved for us by our politicians who are excellent in wiping out funds by donating to other countries or putting it in the swiss bank under pseudo names or numbers whatever it may be or rumored about. We will remain tortoise for long and our gene may not get corrupted all that easily.

We are open to people who wish to try their zeal here. However, atomic energy is not open for outsiders. I was one of them and I left the department 10 years ago and many others have left as the place was too crowded with million scientists and engineers doing nothing than visiting tea stalls very often. I got my stomach upset and decided to quit.

I can only say that we do have lots of Thorium and we came to knew only when others were stealing it in ships loads and it took some time for us to figure out why they were doing so. Now that is banned to pullout our sea shore and take to elsewhere.

Dear Shyam,

this week India signed a joint agreement with France to develop nuclear energy.

Many of the advanced concepts of fission reactors were talked and presented at the 2007 ICENES conference in Istanbul.

_The most promising concepts are based on a further development of the CANDU reactor which will burn slightly enriched uranium or plutonium-uranium mixtures together with thorium.

The biggest advantage will be that most of the highly radioactive waste that today reactors are producing will be reburnt in these reactors.

Hopefully India's line of development of these reactors will not be stopped to join only the lines that are favored by France.

The outcome of this mutual cooperation (India-France) can change the whole world in bridging - without much radioactive waste- the gap between hydrocarbon fuel and may be biological (seabased) fuel or solar energy from earth or space.

RHABE

Dear Rhabe

It sure sounds good and tell how India is friendly with other countries. However, from past experience I know that on small sneeze most of the countries withdraw support and things come with lot useless dumping things. Indian nuclear scientists are one of the best in the world so they can not be fooled easily. They are also not used to accept money to bend things so I am not sure how long such agreement will last. We are not backward country in technology. I have seen France dumping their apple computers for defence used with Mirage aircrafts. Can you believe that? Using 8" floppies with Z-80 or BASIC computer in age of mobile phone and supper computers that India has, it is sure a big joke. Never mind about Indian attitude to digest everything.

Do you think Indians are not capable to build reactors on their own and have to go to France? If asked then our scientists will flood the country with reactor but we are not asked and they are asked. It is an international relationship game and to create poor image of India. After al what is that France will give to India? We already have Thorium fuel reactor running and we have many common types also. I am not a politician so I am not worried of what they do. I do what I am supposed to do.

Can American people tell President Bush what is that he is supposed to do? Same problem is with me here and many others.

"Can American people tell President Bush what is that he is supposed to do?"

Perhaps his wife Laura can. He's not much on listening.

However, we will be shortly telling him where to go.

Now how do I use this darn smiley face thing?

milo

Dear Shyam,

my hope is that your scientists will tell France about the quality of the Thorium reactor you have and that France will take the chance to proceed with a further joint development so that the not too advanced western existing reactor types can be replaced by a better one. If let alone I fear the Europeans will stick to their "proven" concepts.

I have no doubt, that the deuterium moderated and water cooled reactor will have a great future as it is safer than most other concepts, it needs less enriched fuel and it can burn much of the nuclear waste that is produced in the reactor itself and may be some more from other old fashioned types.

But just now France is on a great selling tour through most of the world and we heard recently about sellings to many Arabian countries.

You are right with your fear that at the first signs of a crisis apparent friendships will vanish (but real ones will persist).

RHABE

Dear Shyam,

this is a great post!

It is a good feeling if you can sustain on yourself.

Maybe the energy question has to be brought a bit further and I don't know about your raw materials situation.

The world has taken note of your capabilities since some years: Mittal buying some of the major European companies and Baratforge the same on their field and I saw some activities from Bangalore and quite naturally the expanding trade. So everybody who has eyes wide open sees your capabilities not only in the IT but everywhere.

I feel that the time of isolation has passed, the isolation that was initiated because your country had established nuclear arms technology and has showed it to the world.

If you can and will build these nuclear reactors where are your sales representatives, I would like your reactor much more than the established European types, that is why I expressed in my last post that I feel good with the cooperation between India and France. If your version of the story becomes true then really with the help of politicians and open pockets there may be a bad result.

My hope is that they adopt your technology and you let them pretend this is a new invention.

It is great to think of the world as one family - but what to do with some members that have a totally opposite thinking?

So I would want an effective "world police" but not dominated by one of the established old nations. The UN is not effective , they moan about human rights but don't do much to interfere with mad governments.

The US (Iraq), the Europeans (Yugoslavia), Russia, China, Persia, whole Africa, south America cannot begin this task. So how and who? Traditionally the imperialistic states did what they thought good for themselves (until now).

So please think about your country may shall play a big role in the UN too, I am sure they would get a lot of cooperation as not suspected to be imperialistic.

RHABE

Dear Rhabe

Only politicians can take decision as nuclear power, or nuclear energy or nuclear technology is under Prime Minister o India. He writes the bill for this department. He went to America, then Japan, then Russia and then China and now France.

He can very well go to Pakistan I suppose where there is nuclear things on sale and easy to sneak through our boarders without International problem as we already have no real boundary. They want to sell and we want to buy so how does it matter to us who sells it?

Here we can not that we really do not want to buy and our PM keeps telling all that he wants to buy. The moment you say that you want to sell, he runs back to the country and is found in other country asking or it and this country which offered remains on the waiting list forever.

We do not care for any such news and world reads all those stories.

Have you seen even a single nuclear bomb India made? No one actually did even in India. Perhaps a small cracker blast at Pokharan was simply an experiment the Physicists wanted to know if the material they had was the real one and they perhaps noticed it was. That is all. If there are nuclear bombs in any of the atomic energy then scientists will be too scared and may prefer to move to some other place. For small salary they may not risk to live near nuclear bombs.

Indians scientists and engineers don't love bombs and guns. Only backward people do that. I wanted to buy a small gun and asked for official permission then they joked me that I wanted to have a cannon and let me drop the idea.

One billion counted Indians and another one billion missing Indians are so good to the world that they are hardly noticed. They live almost trouble free dancing singing and eating lots of types of food and are stomach happy people. No time for them for war or nukes. We all want electric power and of course free of cost wherever we are. It is our birth right. For this we don't mind Iran gas to come through Pakistan to us.

We build our own reactors, we have enough steel of the world for pipe lines and we have our own heavy water and we have nuclear fuel to 1000 years, and we have million people who are responsible to running reactors so what is that we want from others? It remains and big question.

I think the nuclear embargo is linked to sale of product and lifting that ban perhaps means more export import in other areas for India and that may be the real trick. It has nothing to do with nuclear energy. Of course we will accept nuclear fuel and perhaps bury it somewhere as we may not need it. Now I see the point clearly for myself. I think it is a nice thing to say that we want nuclear fuel help and we get freedom of trade in return. Good. We have great politicians indeed.

Hi Shyam.

I love the peoples of India, among who I have many friends, but I refuse to visit or work in India again until the situation of the Dalits (untouchables) is sorted out! Your class system is a thousand time worse than it has ever been here in England, at least the children from the poorest lower classes here can gain entrance to university if the do well at school or college.

Spencer.

If Mother Theresa can come here in India than others can also come here. Edmund Hillary, Jim Corbett and many others like Tata, Bata, Harvey came to India. You have to come where there is a problem to understand and find solution. What use coming to place where there is no problem? Who is touchable in this world any way? Try to touch any nice looking woman and you will know. That makes 50% population of the world untouchable. Isn't that enough to say that people are untouchable everywhere?

Education and business is transforming the earlier value system and my calls are just for that. The moment people are capable to work on their own and can find bread easily, they no longer have to accept the labor that come through disrespect to them . This is what I am doing. I never ask to any one who you are. Any one from earth is OK for me so why not for you?

I can not say that other places on the earth are not great. India is sure a great country to feel and that is what many people say about it. Country is what its people are so its people should also be equally good else what is that we are talking about.

Sare Jahan se Achha Hindostan Hamara. I am here to welcome you all. Come to India.

Hello,

Your inspiring message got to my attention. What help do you think you can provide me as chemical engineer to make my country Philippines to be better - off. I'm involve in water resources in a military facilities in Saudi Arabia. which iclude waste and water treatment, do you think my experience can contribute for the success. I have no enough money to invest.

Dear guest, nobody has enough money to invest.

But use what you know to first help your self and family, then neighbors, then village or company incrementally. When people see your success, the funds will follow.

I did this to create a food coop back in the 1970's when I was in college ; it is still active and helping people today.

Lead the way.

milo

Make a document of a complete workable project with its entire economic and technical plans and put it to your government funding agency and bank. They may consider it and may also give you grant and soft loan for long term to have infra structure and some running capital. You may also find a business partner with money.

You got a great attitude. India and China are going to be very stiff competition to the US technological industries.

US is still very good in high technology, but other countries will slowly replace its business in avionics and dense leaving it back to the days of olden times unless it makes partners in the developing world of China and India. People, should get the signal at right time than it is too late for them.

If companies from France, Germany, Japan and other countries start manufacturing avionics in India and defence items for export then what role will be for America to play in the world. I think this is just happening now and economy of USA will come crashing down to INR = US$ or even worst than that. Who can stop that? Not even our bad politicians have the capability as China is the driving competition for us and China will hire India to make it parallel economy. They are very clever and know that together we are a much bigger force. Indians are not so politically advanced and do not think much to dominate world. They are rather simple people who care for the world.

It will take another 20 years to see drastic change. USA still very good society and have brain to use it and direct it betterment of its society. If Darwin's theory works well there then disaster sure to happen. We are better prepared as we come from hunger and poverty to new world but we have not forgotten our skill to survive.

I am sorely afraid that you folks in Asia will "eat our lunch" as the saying goes. We in the US are holding on to old technologies desperately and some of our so-called leaders make fun of Indians and Chinese in order to make us feel we don't have to worry about competing in a global economy. My hope and prayer is that we all figure out how to prosper together.

I live in Canada and work as a purchaser for an Oil Rig Manufacturing Company. It is a well known fact in my industry that many products that are made in India are competitive and very good quality. It is great to have found an open, positive person such as yourself that wants the best and helps others go forward in the coming age. I think by all of us working together we can make the world a better place, putting no harmful toxins into the air or the earth. I realize I work for an oil rig manufacturer, but our company is consistently coming up with alternatives for a more environmental effect.

Good that your company uses cost effective engineering parts from India. This will again make them to be more competitive in quality and price with greater reach to the world.

Yes, the environmental issue is universal and we all care for that. We also have to survive so some extent and there is some trade off and it will always be that way.

We all need to know the risk factors involved in our activities and try to practice ALARA, which meant as low as reasonably achievable.

Hello Shyam

Greetings from pvhramani!

Great to know that personalities such as yourself are working sincerely and trying to enthuse others to do so ... toward creating development in India.

It is suggested and wished that you may kindly join us at the APIX-SEP group, working toward the development of the 3 billion people who now earn less than US $2 per day - about 750 million to 800 million in these being in India. You are welcome here:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/4149/APIX-Pilot-Plant-Design-Project-Recycling-Wastes-Mission-and-Goals#coments

We are sure, together we would be able to not only achieve your DREAMS, but we could go well beyond India, reaching to help a total of THREE BILLION fellow humans who are now in desperate situations with not even one meal per day

Best wishes and regards

pvhramani

Hi

Actually, I do not believe in helping people and it is the other way out. I believe that people should help me and they get money in return and live a dignified life of their choice.

I do give them training to let them understand the method by which they can work for me or some one other who can pay them.

Initially I did experiment with people by giving money for nothing and it resulted into many problems and I could easily see the abnormal behaviour developing into person who otherwise looks normal.

Incapable person with free money is a serious problem. On the contrary a capable person knows how to use any amount of money.

I am not running a NGO tax free organization but a highly tax paying research based company in which people work for salary and investors get return on investment and your people come and work and learn to build their future. It is very well planned HR development process. I am no longer an individual but a head of an organization which keeps running from funds it generates. It is a true scientific and engineering research based business and no charity so far.

We as a team now, are a vehicle in high gear and always in motion. Our team members believe in Sir Darwin's Theory of "Survival of the Fittest". The moment we will become weak and burden on the society, we will prefer to opt out and give way to others, but not until we really become completely junk and worthless.

I don't create baggers, I create engineers. Am I clear?

Great Shaym!

Please continue "creating engineers" so that the "beggars" are reduced, and we wish success in your endeavor. India needs men and women of capability like you. You did make us UNDERSTAND

Best wishes

pvhramani

Hello pvhramani

Namesthe from chandu krishnamurthi!!

I would very much like to be a part of APIX-SEP group. My line of technical work is harnessing solar and wind energy for rural application. Email id : ckusbd@gmail.com

With warm regards

Chandu Krishnamurthi