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Eel Like man - how to measure his body electric charge ?

07/20/2008 9:50 AM

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We have a special man living near my house. He is Eel Like man and his body generates very high voltages that cause spark.

How to measure his body electric charge? I will like to do this experiment. It is not known when his body produces charge. However, if he moves with insulating sleepers then his body holds enough charge to spark thru metals. He prefers to move barefoot to discharge his body charge in earth on continuous bases.

It has been noticed that his family members get shocked if his body is holding charge. He can not pass metallic items to others when he is on sleepers.

I believe that his body accumulated charge and is not an instantaneous process.

This person has a habit of eating lots of Sodium Chloride salt and this quantity may be 10 times higher than any one with high salt taste may eat. Perhaps his body is Sodium salt battery.

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07/20/2008 1:22 PM

tell that guy to use a little fabric softener in the wash.

and monitor that guy for spontaneous human combustion!

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07/20/2008 3:13 PM

Sounds more like static electricity to me. Under the right circumstances I can create a rather powerful spark loud enough to be heard when getting out of my car and touching the metal door frame.

Try Wikipedia or google "static electricity" and "electrostatics". There are many simple devices that you can build to measure this electric potential (there isn't a great deal of power stored thou in static electricity).

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07/20/2008 9:34 PM

I understand the level to which static electricity man can generate by friction on cloths and surrounding materials but this rarely gives shock. This man is known to give shock even when he wants to pass his cell phone to others. Only thing prevents him is by walking barefoot of the floor.

I conducted one experiment and found that some people have very little electrical conductivity in their skin, while some were of comparatively high electrical conductivity. I will like to do one experiment now to know if any one has battery like structure in his body, which is not known in humans to exist.

I usually see this person moving with underwear as only cloths and barefoot most of the time. He is scared of excessive charge generated and is well aware of his problem which is not normal. Both his body and that of others experiences shock.

It could be his fear also from static electricity and hence, I like to experiment with.

Does any one know about the capacitance of the human body to hold the static charge and form a voltage?

I think my oscilloscope can record transient discharges of electricity. I will like to discharge it through 1K-10k ohms resistance to reduce current flow and make it almost equivalent to human body model.

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07/20/2008 9:32 PM

What are the local weather conditions when this occurs. I believe this is a fairly common occurrence in dry (low humidity) climates, depending on the type of clothing. What are the slippers (sleepers ?) made from? Wool seems to be the best for generating this type of static electricity.

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07/20/2008 9:43 PM

slippers are generally made of rubber foam an insulating material. This place is normally dry with 40%RH and now running at about 70%RH due to rain once a while. Only in winter woolen cloths are used here for two-three months. I see this man almost without cloths most of the time and puts on only shorts and no top wear

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07/20/2008 11:54 PM

This is a very interesting topic for me. I have had trouble with something similar most of my life although it has subsided of late.

It is worse in low humidity situations. I have killed 3 TV remote controls. In one case the spark jumped over 6 inches. I cannot wear a watch (although I haven't tried in a long time). If the watch is mechanical at first it won't keep time and finally (within a week) it stops altogether. If the watch is electric the battery drains or it just dies/fries. In either case it left a red welt where the case touched my skin.

On the other hand I can test electrical circuits for power (as in 110VAC or 50,000VDC - spark plug wires) with my hands. I've never been tazered but I suspect it would have little effect on me. I do know that a high powered electric fence is just an annoying tickle.

I probably eat less salt than average so I don't think that plays a major role. I think I am probably doing better electrically since I started taking antidepressants. Several years ago while taking computer classes at the local community college I found that I had to change stations frequently or the computer would start to error out and sometimes freeze up completely. The computer room tech then fixed me up with some wrist bands with ground clips and the problem went away.

Several years later and 3 separate antidepressants later I now no longer exhibit the random spark generation (no matter the humidity) and I have had this computer about 4 years with no more than the normal glitches. I have not tried the voltage testing because I think I might have a real shock in store.

I do, on the other hand, now have some neurological problems of a mysterious nature. The bottoms of my feet are now almost completely numb and the palms of my hands are going the same way. I have had upper and lower digestive track problems that come and go seemingly at random. I went on a treadmill EKG test because I had chest pains. Everything looked normal except that my heart-rate did not come back to rest for about 15 minutes. I now tire easily and cannot shed heat easily. Physical work I used to do for hours on end I can now do for no more than 15 minutes before resting for 30. I get bad head aches at the least stress and every other day I am in a fog.

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07/21/2008 1:05 AM

Do you think perhaps the lack of expending such energy has possibly caused any ailments ? I for one am leery of side effects of anti depressants as well. Your situation is pretty fascinating.

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07/21/2008 9:20 AM

Human body has lots of ions that form local battery system and also some charge is transmitted across the body through nerve system. Charge is usually balanced unless static charge gets injected from external source on the body. Even such high static charge does not affect the function of the human body and only when charge is suddenly discharged through our body, we experience shock. Discharge through cloths will have no serious affect on us.

We are talking of situation particular to a person or perhaps of few more like him.

In our house we often keep instruments on tables that are insulating and can transfer charge to our body if touched. If we are barefoot then will experience shock else will hold the charge for long. My UPS is known to do this and gives mild shock. Whenever we connect serial cable to experiments, we get that mild shock. This is perhaps due to bad design of the UPS itself.

Medicine causing such thing is not known.

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07/21/2008 12:14 PM

Shadetree,

I'm hoping you have had your blood checked - your description sounds like anemia. Not sure, but would be interested to know if the anti-depressants can cause lower testosterone levels, having experienced similar symptoms since starting on Lexapro a few years ago. Prior to starting AD's, I had become very anemic, with the exact symptoms you have described. If you have the urge to eat ice cubes constantly, chances are that your blood count is on the low side. My count got so low, I needed a three pint fill up in the local ER, before the cause of the spill could be taken care of by the "Men with Knives".

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07/21/2008 1:58 PM

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I think I have had every kind of blood test known to man. I just had my cholesterol screen. I now have elevated cholesterol whereas before I had very low cholesterol. I am treating it with Lipitor. The one test that might show something worthwhile is a tilt table EKG/blood pressure test. It can only be administered by a qualified cardiologist/neurologist. The three neurologists I have seen so far either think I'm lying or it's not worth their time because it's hard to justify to the insurance company (the state in my case).

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07/21/2008 1:07 PM

I know a former coworker in Canada who generates a lot of electricity and has the same effect on watches as you do. He's also allergic to dust mites.

It would be interesting to test with a commercial electrostatic meter.

This reminds me of an episode of Mr. Bean.

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07/21/2008 10:08 PM

Dear Shadetree

There are two ways under which your body will not experience electrical shock from live wires.

1. You are like an insulator on body surface and do not allow current flow through your body to extent you can experience shock.

2. Your outer cover - skin is like a metal cage and conducts very high such that all current is skin current with no current flowing through inner core, keeping the potential difference across the body near zero or short circuited.

The first one is very likely. Take a multimeter, and put it in resistance mode and hold each probe by your finger in separate hands. Report me back the body resistance average value. Normally it is about 10K ohms but mat very from 1K Ohms to 1M Ohms. Those with 1M ohms sure will not experience any shock touching live wires. You are not at all advised to experiment with live wires. It may be fatal.

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07/22/2008 12:18 AM

Shyman,

I don't currently own a multimeter. The good digital ones (Fluke, OTC) keep wigging out on me. When I retired I didn't get a new one. I started buying the cheap analog units instead and being 'cheap analog units' they didn't last long either. As soon as I can work one into my precarious budget I will try that.

I don't know if it's related but my house has been struck by lightning at least 3 times in the last 3 years. I now have 2 lightning rods, my roof is metal and it is ground-strapped to 4 separate ground rods. The first time we lost about $2000.00 of electronics. At the first sign of a t-storm now we unplug everything.

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07/22/2008 6:26 AM

Dear Shadetree

Good earth copper conductor can protect your house. There is little else you can do about it. For your gadgets that are connected to power line and aerial, use gas discharge tube protection circuit through experts. That is all I can suggest.

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07/21/2008 12:36 AM

I'm guessing that your friend is generating electrostatic charge in his body, and due to extra dry skin or a related anomoly, is not becoming properly discharged. There are many static charge meters available that can be used to measure his charge. Skin moisteners, and higher humidity will assist in normal discharge. If those methods fail, try an air ionizing system. I suggest that your friend stay away from explosives until his problem is neutralized.

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07/21/2008 1:42 AM

Having seen many of your previous posts, I find this one very surprising. I doesn't sound like the work of a sensor specialist!

According to the reports I found, electric eels produce their voltage much like a battery does, with a set of several thousand cells in series, each cell producing of the order of 0.1V, for a total of around 500 V for the larger eels. To my knowledge, no human body has any even vaguely similar structure, so NO, it is not a battery effect.

As several others have indicated, it sounds like static electricity. 500 Volts coming from a finger would only make a barely visible spark, if any. The spark generated by clothing, shoes, etc. is commonly more like 5000V or more. There is an easy test: The static electricity will easily illuminate a standard neon lamp (for just an instant), but there is not enough current to light even the smallest of ordinary incandescent lamps. I assume you would know how to do the test...

You could also set up a series of neon lamps to see how many he could illuminate. then measure the DC voltage that illuminates a single neon lamp to that brightness, and multiply by the number of lamps to get his voltage.

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07/21/2008 8:46 AM

March 1-5, 2004 I conducted a workshop NCVER-2004 and in that I have gifted one experimental hardware to 450 participants which could measure electrical conductivity of the human body. Circuit is a relaxation oscillator designed based on CMOS IC witch injects about 2mA peak current into body to determine the body impedance at its self oscillating frequency in the range of 1Hz to 50Hz or 1kHz to 20kHz. While the first was for visible LED based indication , the later one was to measure the frequency using Atmel Microcontroller Board, which was also gifted along with software.

These circuits could find lots of difference among people with respect to electrical conductivity. Some were simply like an insulator with almost zero oscillations. Some conducted very high and have shown very high oscillation frequency and they looked some what sick or suffered from some infection like cold cough or fever.

At that time I did not monitor the self generating electricity of the body as we all know that we can hardly measure ECG with lots of signal amplification and hardly expected any static charge buildup with battery like structure in human body.

Human body as such has a large battery system which we call Sodium pump and is functional internally for cell transduction and does not show up any charge outside. Nerve signals are also well insulated and they do not fire very high charge to muscles and perhaps generate local energy to be activated. Even heart pulse at SA node is weak. Now with all that when I find some strange effect where children of the house are scared to touch their father, then there is serious cause of worry. Because this person lives only few doors away from my house, and I have all facilities, I will like to conducted fare experiments to know, what exactly is going on.

I have not yet concluded anything and will like to capture signals first. This person is very normal and fine with health and jolly happy man.

Those people feel that their hands and legs are getting numb need to consult doctor as it looks an effect of prolonged neglect blood pressure problem and perhaps may also be diabetic. Exercises along with medication may help. They must consult an expert doctor or Physician first. I am not one.

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07/21/2008 2:59 AM

All I'm hearing is..

"I know this guy who walks around in is underwear carrying a cell phone.. eats massive amounts of salt and claims to be an electric eel or something.."

sounds mental more than physical..

give the dude some lotion, clothes, and change his diet.

pictures and test results asap!,, I don't want to be so cynical, but I am!

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07/21/2008 9:03 AM

This man is very normal and his concern is not to harm others who get scared with one electric shock of life. He knows well about himself and by now consolidated himself to what has been wrongly gifted by God to him.

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07/27/2008 3:34 PM

Do you have a reading - comprehension difficulty? Your glib answer is so off the wall as to suggest that if the thought did come from between your hairy ears, you just cannot understans it.

The man plainly said the this isw a fact, so please connect.

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07/21/2008 3:53 AM

Hi,

without any doubt this effect is happening on the skin as the body fluid has almost no resistance.

This is static electricity (charge) that is generated by friction on dry surfaces if rubbing against suitable other surfaces (may be also dust in air).

This effect is also existing if fluids are sprayed in fine particles if the nozzle has some charge. or if fluid or ice particles are divided or hitting each other: Charge generating in thunderstorms.

As the voltage is easily at 5KV (my estimate for this effect in my own experience if leaving my car or getting off some woolen or synthetic clothes I generate sparks around 4 to 6 mm long) any electrostatically sensitive device is easily killed.

To measure: a charge amplifier with enough feedback capacitance should be ideal.

People that have problems should try to leave traces of primitive (but pure) soaps on their skins and some glycerol added. (In former times called "Savon de Marseille", French for soap from Marseille)

Soaps are sodium salts of fatty acids and if the other "modern" ingredients are missing are unlikely to cause any harm to the skin. Glycerol is somewhat hygroscopic and thus the skin will be a little bit humid also in dry environment and thus generate some conductivity if soap is present. Traces should be sufficient.

If color is not a problem I would also try some graphite paintings on the body: like the stem and branches of a tree or some other artistic network to channel the charge to the discharge areas.

What may help - please try - are the very sharp needles that are used in air-ionizers made from tungsten for durability. The electric field at the tip is so high that air molecules are ionised and blown away by electrostatic force. An enclosure shall prevent injuries from the needles. The base of the needles to be electrically connected to the most charged part of the body.

Try and please tell us what you experienced.

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07/21/2008 8:28 AM

Humans generating a spark is not unusual. I, myself, experienced a shock when I happened to stand next to my friend and a spark flew between us! We were assisting in an instrumentation lesson in a local school and several students saw the spark arc between our arms.

We both jumped and shouted in pain. We weren't touching anything so the shock was clearly static electricity but we never knew who generated the charge in the first place.

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07/21/2008 8:58 AM

That is a good point to the problem. We all know how it feels when one touched a Vendigraph charge storage ball. Your hair will separate from each other due to charge. This is good way to know that your body is charged up. In air it is about 40kV / cm electric field to cause spark. If you say meters then it is like million volts.

In this case we are talking something like a gas lighter which may spark at about 15kV to 18kV in 3mm to 5mm air gap space.

Spark can take the path of cloth surface if it finds direction for the charge to move on. On some cloths million volts can form so don't get surprised if that did happen in your case. Rarely it directly kills any one but can ignite a fuel tanker easily. You know thereafter what follows next.

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07/21/2008 9:23 AM

I can see where this mans body may be unusually good at accumulating or holding an electric charge. Maybe his frequent surroundings are what is causing the charge in the first place. We know we can all generate static charge with our bodies under the right conditions such as low humidity and friction with the right kind of materials. Maybe his home, place of employment, garden etc. has some unique properties that are aggravating his problem. Would it be possible to do some testing based on his location for a period of time?

Also the electrostatic discharge devices used in industry work best when there is an electrical path from your skin to the device (usually sweat). Maybe this man could get some relief if he wore shoes with conductive rubber soles (they do make them). This may give him a better grounding path than a bare, completely dry foot.

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07/22/2008 6:36 AM

Dear DaveB

This point is good one and I need to examine source of charge that may get on to his body. I can also scan his bed and other cloths and perhaps entire room to see accumulated charge distribution.

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07/21/2008 1:31 PM

Does the man in this video have the same qualities that your test subject has?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8

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07/23/2008 2:45 PM

good parlor tricks

interesting shocks

am I the only one who watched this whole video..!?

I'll admit.. that's wierd.. who else has documentation of this type of situation..?

My Saturn use to shock the hell out of me when I got out, but this is different.!?

this guy seems to be able to shock like we can burp, but he's not pushing pencils through tables or moving a knife through telekinesis any more than David Copperfield.

all hail the eel man.. I'm almost sold!

quick turnaround huh?

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07/21/2008 3:03 PM

Shyam, had this been posted by almost anyone else, I'd probably make some comment about sending for Mulder and Scully (a reference to a U.S. television show about paranormal phenomena, and total fiction, called the X-files). You, however, have a reputation here for being level and truthful, so I am wondering what you will find out about this fellow. Intriguing!

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07/21/2008 9:38 PM

Dear EnviroMan

Well, it is not a fiction story and is a real life stuff. I have an experimental lab where hundreds of engineers come and experiment in whatever area they wish to do so. I became interested in this person after hearing from him and his family members. They have no idea of its scientific background and have stated all facts they knew very politely. It is for me to find out the facts and I should try to understand the cause from experimental data.

One good point this man has pointed out that, whenever it is cloudy weather or there is bad weather, he gets more charged. He also told me that, on walking he gets more charged than when he is simply sitting or doing nothing.

His salt eating habit is very unusual and he eats 50g to 100g each time he has his food. He also stated that all male members in family including his father and sons do so while daughters don't like salt at all. However, other male members did not report similar effect on their body. He is unique in this way.

Excessive salt increases blood pressure and is known fact. How badly it may result into charged human body is not known. Also how weather is affecting him is also not known. Perhaps it related to his perspiration salt ion moving towards the surface in some peculiar way.

I have planned three experiments now.

A. Measure his body conductivity five-six times daily at predefined intervals and before and after his food intakes.

B. Measure static potential difference developing in his body with respect to earth while his body is insulated from earth.

C. I will also like to map if there is potential difference across his body, which I am afraid may not exist unless his body is really Eel like and has bio-batteries in series.

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07/22/2008 7:20 AM

Sounds like some well-planned checks. Maybe also see if there is something to do with the weather or his physical surroundings that could influence this. Please let us know what you find?

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07/22/2008 10:00 AM

Dear EnviroMan

Yes, I will make the observations public irrespective of kind of data or results I get from experiments.

As this person has already pointed out that bad weather matters in his case and this is the right time for it and in a weak I may find weather changes so will record the weather condition as well. I have a weather recorder that can monitor pressure changes as accurate as 100 micro bar and temperature down to 10 milli oC steps. I also have moisture meter and expect %RH between 65%RH to 80%RH unless it rains.

I need to inspect his house. As we live only 100m apart, we have almost similar surroundings so nothing special to talk about. I will find out if he is using ionizer or any other instrument that can generate charge.

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07/22/2008 10:20 AM

This really is strange! In my experience, 60-80% daytime RH is really high for static electricity. I expect to have problems with static (or be successful with static electricity demonstrations) when the RH is below 20%.

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07/24/2008 3:56 PM

I can state what the person experiences. This is rainy season here and bad weathers of this time affects him badly. His body must have lots of moisture and ions of salt.

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07/24/2008 4:54 PM

Hi to All,

this cannot be a body effect but has to be a skin effect.

The body fluid is near 0.9% sodium-chloride solution and is very conductive.

The only reasonable insulator is our skin.

If humidity of the air is low I can easily generate 5KV on my skin: a charged capacitor.

This I experience with friction between my hair and pullovers, between my trousers and car seats ...

It seems to be much more charge (unlikely more voltage) in some persons. So the above posted idea of charge measurement is very good and not too difficult:

A charge-amplifier is an operational amplifier in the inverting configuration with capacitive feedback and some very low frequency high-pass to avoid large zero drift.

The non-inverting pin is tied to ground. The virtual ground at the inverting input is sucking up any charge and the amplifier is transferring the charge to the feedback capacitor. As the voltage on this is limited to the amplifiers swing I would try with 10µF or so (MKC type has best insulation) to bring an estimated 10pF 5KV or 50nAs
to 10µF 5mV or 50nAs. This should be easily within detection possibilities and there is
ample more capability for unusual effects.

Without any amplifier this should be possible too: charge a good capacitor with the charge that this person can deliver and measure this with a high input impedance voltmeter.

There is an effect that may play a role here: Electrostatic double layers.

These are formed by water molecules by electrostatic absorption of the charges of the oxygen atoms in the water molecule against hydrogens of the material where the water is absorbed.

This effect is disturbing many measurements in fluids.

As the layers are very thin (0.2nm) the capacitance is big.

I have never seen these being able to be charged to high voltages, but who knows.

Langmuir was the first to investigate these in the ? 30ies.

It would be very interesting to have a complete blood count to look if there are abnormalities in these persons.


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07/25/2008 3:29 AM

Dear Rhabe

Skin of most of the people conducts very well except for skin of some areas.

Even though capacitor formed by closed packed plates can be high, it fails to form large voltage as breakdown comes earlier to to high field dV/dx in closed packed plates. People with dry skin sure can hold high surface charge.

I am going to do body electric field mapping without discharging the body. This can be done in non-contact manner. This can work both with or without cloths on.

I am designing a special probe to keep the distance from body surface (skin) nearly constant.

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07/25/2008 4:20 PM

Dear Shyam,

this is great and difficult.

Move a small sphere above the skin and scan the whole body?

Including some nulling at long distance and moving to a small distance?

What about changing the voltage by changing the enrgy?

What about currents along the skin during the emasurement?

I do not know the values of skin resistivity and the amount of charge that can be stored on it.

But I experienced that the charged status of my clothing is readily transferred to my fingers, as at touching my car after getting out I will experience audible small flashes of up to 5mm length from my fingers if touching the cars door.

So we should know more about the resistances and how much charge up to which voltage can be stored.

The only value I know for sure is that the body below the skin has only negigible resistance. I will take some measurements on my skin soon but I must search for my (at low-voltage) resistance measuring DMM.

There have been many fatal accidents with 12 V batteries when people swimming in the sea touched the poles of their boat's batteries.

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07/25/2008 11:28 PM

Dear Rhabe

Static charge is measured without taking charge or making any current to flow. It is a field measurement technique. Only problem with this measurement is that any other field present also get in. Often 50/60Hz power noise and radio frequency noise are very common. As these are high frequency noise, they can be rejected using a low pass filter.

If any such voltage is formed due to stress reaction of the brain, then it is going to be a short and relatively high current pulse of 100s of micro amperes for micro seconds to milli seconds. This can not last for long and need to be captured as transient. In this case body supposed work like switched battery and no charge will remain for long on the body.

Our skin is also somewhat photo-conductive and may react to intense UV light to even mild UV light. Some people may be reacting badly. In this case I am experimenting now, I need to do this experiment also as his body may work normal in hot dry weather when there is enough light to make his skin conductive. In rainy season, we have little light for months and this person becomes excessively sensitive.

People who suffer from Schizophrenia may also feel strange effects. Mind may get connected to body reaction and can fire nerve cells to generate high potential across body in rare case. Brain generates trigger signal and local cells use ATP and cell ions to have enough charge to fire muscles.

Similar action by brain can happen to generate local charge that show up on the skin but not used for muscle activity in some cases. You can also say that brain fires muscle where muscle does not exist then what happens to the charge generated at such location which may also be near skin?

Some people may also have less insulation over tissue that carry high charge and this may then leak or show up as potential on skin. Charge to flow in the body, potential gradient exists all over the body. As our body is not a good conductor, this potential gradient may also become large. Nerve cells have poor connectively and they are millions in a row. each with potential difference of milli volts to form small cell / battery with clear direction for signal to flow. They can become a high voltage source easily for short duration.

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07/26/2008 12:32 AM

Sounds like you need to do this testing inside a Faraday Cage (Room lined with copper sheeting or screening) to eliminate outside effects.

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Yes, sensor is often made highly directional and looks into narrow zone and avoids influence of entire surface as well as of the interference sources. Mechanical Chopper is also used to sense the difference between no field (from cage) to high field (external). Pointed electrodes are used to map field in small dots. Sensor does not come in contact with the skin.

Putting person in a Faraday cage may give better results, but will be considered only if results are very poor in open measurement. Sensor has a Faraday cage and can sense few Volts difference. There is earth static field of 100V / m in the air but it dips in the presence of human subjects. As this measurement is from close distance, natural static field will have no effect on the measurement. I am shielding for 50Hz right now which becomes measurable with high impedance circuit capable to sense high frequencies.

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07/28/2008 4:37 PM

Dear Shyam,

"Static charge is measured without taking charge or making any current to flow"

How is this done? de-charge and recharge? How to measure without making any change?

"In rainy season, we have little light for months and this person becomes excessively sensitive." What does "sensitive" mean? Sensitive to what?

"Mind may get connected to body reaction and can fire nerve cells to generate high potential across body in rare case." How should nerves generate high potentials?

I do not believe in this. Nerve pulses are typically 0.7V positive and lower afterwards to negative (?). Then going to very many synapses , there chemical transmitters no longer any electrical. Synapses going to other nerves or muscles and triggering next action if enough pulse firing of many incoming pulses exist.

So any nerve needs firing of earlier excited other nerves, but this is only a mechanical and logical series connection, not an electrical one.

So the potentials are not adding up. (This adding would quickly destroy the limited insulation capacity of the myelin sheath of nerves, that is enabling the transmission line activity ensuring speed and integrity.)

So I am very curious what your measurement will bring up. I am convinced (until you may bring up other reasons and measurements) that this is pure friction generated skin to environment charge. So I would be very cautious to have done parallel measurements of feet to ground resistance.

And with slow or rapid decay of stored charge and with the actions that may generate charge.

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07/25/2008 5:16 PM

Be sure you also measure a control - perhaps yourself, at least you'd get permission easily!

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Yes, the experiment is to be performed on many men and women. I will like to know the average and strange effect numbers.

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07/21/2008 3:16 PM

This is not a very rare phenomena as far as I'm concerned. In my office in the wintertime it is not unusual at all to generate a very bright and painful spark from body to a ground like a doorknob or electrical outlet. All of us in the office have the problem.

Also, my cats (RIP) used to stay away from me in the winter. They quickly learned that if I held out my index finger for them to smell, and if they came close enough, that they were going to get a nasty shock to the nose after my walking in stocking feet across the carpet.

Very likely, wintertime in New Hampshire was a major factor.

I would monitor relative humidity closely along with monitoring his capacity.

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07/23/2008 8:42 AM

Hello Professor,

I have the following suggestions

  • Inject a lot of de-ionized water - Fluid transfusion??
  • Inject a lot of acid or base (Not saline solutions) as needed to neutralize the charge and check pH
  • Ground him with a wire to dissipate charges

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07/23/2008 11:15 AM

Errrmm...he may not be naturally fond of being injected with these things...

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07/24/2008 4:01 PM

Yes, My aim is only to measure the details.

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09/21/2008 12:26 PM

Human skin is normally a fair insulator, until it starts to conduct, then salts released increase the conductivity dramatically.

Static electricity is caused by triboelectric effect which involves mechanical rubbing of insulating surfaces. In tribo-electric materials you get charge out of rubbing instead of heat. Human skin and hair are good tribo-electric materials.

Capacitors gain charge over time when insulated from ground due to quantum effects most likely relating to radio wave capture, solar wind, and Coulomb gradient effects but possibly due to more exotic means.

Chemical batteries develop charge over time due to electrically unbalanced chemical reactions that cause a localized accumulation of charge.

These effects are the three likely sources of your special persons condition. In order to measure the voltage accumulated you will need to use electrical instruments appropriate for checking the dielectric capacity of a capacitor. This will tell you the voltage potential before discharge.

Using your oscilloscope you can measure the discharge current and from the potential and the current you can get a good picture of the charge capacity of your neighbor.

All that information is very unlikely to tell you anything about where the charge is coming from. Measuring how the charge accumulates might. Altering the experimental conditions should. For example if you neighbor accumulates charge inside a Faraday cage. Radio wave absorption should be eliminated as a source of his charge.

Surrounding him with tribo-electric electro-positive materials for a time might serve to eliminate static electric effects as a source since skin is electro-positive material. Nylon in carpet fibers and sleepers would be highly electro-negative and cause charge, wool would be highly electro-postive and not cause charge to be created and thus accumulate.

Since it is normal for a human body to produce and manage charge eliminating electrochemical metabolism should be difficult or impossible. However, altering diet and exercise, could provide clues about the underlying metabolic process.

Break down of the insulation around nerves, the bodies electrical producers - conductors is a fairly common and usually serious medical problem. The insulation is known as Myalin and the break down is associated with conditions known as Parkinson's, ALS, MS, and so on.

Mylin is subject to breakdown due to chemical action, viral action, and metabolic failure or malfunction. Some very useful research can be done in these areas that may help individuals maintain their quality of life.

I hope these comments help you in satisfying your curiosity about your neighbor's condition.

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09/21/2008 10:34 PM

Dear Mr Gee

Your suggested methods are the one I have planned for. I will also extend the test of capacitive measurement just above the surface without coming in contact and forming small series capacitance by the probe.

I have noticed that few people in India conduct surface potential sense experiment to excite nerve sense and it is used for healing without touch. Some people can feel others moving hand across your body perhaps due to electrical potential difference or temperature difference. I am not sure what works there but it is something that has been tried by people to trigger nerve cells in the zone in this way and also to divert attention of the brain to areas of interest.

Nerve signal breakdown can cause sensed pain in the area where there is no serious problem. I think there are many such people with confused brain pointing pain at random places.

Your points are very interesting one. I am developing many instruments for these experiments and can easily sense fC charge difference across the body. My instruments are research grade meant for lowest level measurements. I can also spare the technology for others under joint research if one can find some NRC support in USA or Canada for this type of experiments. Instruments otherwise are a bit expensive and require array of sensors and precise measurement charge amplifiers and DAQ system. I am going to spend about 1 million dollars on this research and will gain in-depth research experience. This research is very interesting one as there are many such subjects around who have shown special body responses. There must be many people around the world also with similar or some other specialities

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09/22/2008 4:00 AM

Dear all,

"Human skin is normally a fair insulator"

So either there is no high voltage built up or there is much leakage?

Where is the capacitance?

May be there are some people with exceptionally high skin resistance - I measured values between 500Ohm and 50MOhm with two simple metallic contacts at a distance of 5cm and a proof voltage of 6V.

High resistance was in people that have dry skin and that were not sweating and may be somehow disturbed salt management.

I do not think radio waves a likely source of charge, how much voltage?

Quantum effects: how shall these work, where is the rectifier?

Tribo: yes, certainly, may be that wind will be sufficient if dry and dusty.

Tribo-electricity is easily generating high voltages, these may charge the uppermost layers of the skin, these acting as one plate of a capacitor. The body fluid 100 to 200µm to the inside as the second layer of a capacitor.

This would yield around 100nF of capacitance. But would require grounding of the internal (conducting) body fluid if to be charged from the outside. Can this be achieved?

Not much energy to be stored in but good for very feelable electric shocks.

In contrary to a technical capacitor there would be a high resistance not only across the dielectric but also along any direction of the outer "plate" - the surface of the skin.

This will be very interesting experiments to clarify what is existing.

In biology we very often have a situation: normally we have this or that behaviour but sometimes just the opposite is true. (Strong coffee prevents sleep in most people but enables sleeping in some.)

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can the cells in our body survive under high voltage electricity???

can a human body store a huge amount of electricity with its entire chemical composition?????

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Dear Sir,

My name is Zafar Hussain and i am living in Gujranwala, Pakistan. i also have a problem of electric charge in my body. My children and my wife many time get an accidently shock with my body. i am troube with it.

i want to know that " it is harm for my body ???"

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What you describe is static electricity, and it is perfectly safe (unless you are an electronic microchip).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect

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07/12/2009 3:25 PM

I wonder what his blood pressure would be like (with the high level of NaCl consumption). Maybe he may be used to generate some electricity for a hamlet at a nominal fee!

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Perhaps not all salt goes to the blood. Yes, there will be seriously excessive salt in the body. Salt removal is often through water and body sweat and urine. Such people often drink lots of water and sweat a lot. There is salt on their skin as well. Perhaps high density of salt on skin may be the one causing this problem. Do not know yet the real cause of excessive charge on body. Greater ionic conductivity actually may reduce the excessive charge from body surface. Human body produces charge and injects into muscles to work, however such charge moving towards skin is not known in humans and only eel supposed to be cable of orienting its batteries towards skin and that too in its tail portion keeping its entire body function in its head alone. Perhaps this design is for not getting killed by own charge.

Man in a conductive cage can be at high charge and yet protected. This makes body potential identical and no flow of current within human body. However to inject charge outside, there need to be some current flow and perhaps at high potential even small currents can generate visible corona discharge.

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Please don't flame me for this question...Ok...This topic caught my eye because I have been searching on google for a while about this subject. I have been looking into Robert O Becker about his research on Bioelectromagnetics. This "eel man" topic caught my eye. I have been able for a while to make my body "tingle". This is the best way to describe it. I have recently began researching this and began to read about our bodys EMF. If that is the right term. Now I was wondering if you could tell me an instrument that could measure everything or something that is going on around my body while I make it tingle. The best way I can describe this is that it feels like a "charge" I can hold it for as long as I want and it seems to have no ill effects on me. I ask you that please take this serious even though I figure most people will think I'm crazy. I am posting here though because I feel you could provide me a legitimate test or method to see if there is anything going on. I am a complete amateur when it comes to electronics so please bear with me while I ask questions. I'm curious if there is a "current" or "charge" or "field" that I might be able to detect around my body. Then maybe when I make my self feel "charged" if i can measure some type of change. Thank you for your time and please excuse this long rambling post but I am extremly excited to finally find an objective and scientific website that might help experiment with this.

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hi

my name is prakash Shrestha.Im from nepal.when i went in 1 party.i met one relative child.she wore a red coat,it was also sunny day and party was going on open.i met that child,but when i touched her i feel shock.i think that is was 1only my ego.but when i again touched her i feel shock.Is it possible to have electric charge in man body?i feel only when i gently touched her.

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Re: Eel Like man - how to measure his body electric charge ?

01/10/2010 9:27 AM

I would think that this should be common in Nepal. Static build-up occurs most readily when the weather is very dry. High altitude and cold dry weather all reduce the humidity. When the clothing, skin and shoes are moist, static charge is carried to the ground by the conductivity of the moisture (combined with body salts and other impurities). When those things are very dry, the charge can accumulate. The charge is generally created due to friction between two different insulating (non-conducting) materials, like rubber and cloth, or plastic and cloth, or even two different kinds of cloth, as in wool and polyester. The child's red jacket may well have been a significant part of the generator, but shoes with good insulating soles (rubber or plastic) would also be important. Some car seats are made of materials that seem to create such sparks every time you get out of the car in dry weather.

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Re: Eel Like man - how to measure his body electric charge ?

01/10/2010 11:41 AM

Experiments have shown that some people have very dry skin and even their feet have little conductivity to the earth. charge on their body can accumulate easily. This case study is not about such thing but is all about a different type of person whose body has high ionic dielectric media due to heavily loaded salt content, which may also result in draining of more water from body to remove the salt content through urination. This person forms a charge on the body which is not drained easily and it is even him without any cloths. He acts as charged capacitor or charged battery which is discharged through conducting media to the ground.

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