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What's the Cheapest Way of Mass Producing a Rigid Hollow Cube in Plastic?

08/24/2010 8:52 AM

I was assuming it would be with 5 sides done in one moulding and the 6th side made in another moulding and then gluing the 6th side onto the 5 sided structure.

But then I wondered - is there a cheaper way to do it?

I'm guessing that six sides made separately would be the cheapest production method but that would make the labor costs of putting them together that much higher and it would / might cancel any gains made from the lower production costs.

If any plastic experts could advise I would be grateful.

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08/24/2010 9:04 AM

First thing that comes to mind is rotomolding. It gives you a finished part/parts that is hollow.

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08/24/2010 9:19 AM

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08/24/2010 10:59 AM

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08/24/2010 9:06 AM

You can purchase hollow square plastic stock rod. Maybe find some of that, cut it to size and glue on final two sides to make cubes.

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08/24/2010 10:01 AM

Why not just make one 3-sided mould (3 faces of the cube joined along 3 edges)? Then two pieces from the same mould could be mated to make the cube, and you'd only need to make one mould.

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08/24/2010 11:59 AM

I Agree with USB. Two u shaped pieces fit together would only require the one mold and just a little more glue. Having the edges at 45 degrees would facilitate assembly. Kind of like a universal joint.

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08/24/2010 5:22 PM

Actually, I envisioned the piece(s) to look like the figure below. Easier to injection mould and more rigid than two U-shaped pieces. Each piece is half of the cube.

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08/24/2010 7:13 PM

I GA you. I think if there's any volume, you would have the advanyage over rotomolding. And a simple two cavity mold would work.

But, there's much we still don't know.

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08/24/2010 4:46 PM

you could make a mold for three sides in a corner configuration which would mate with an identical piece to result in a cube and then use automated ultrasonic or heat welding to mate the two.

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08/25/2010 12:42 AM

Im late to the dance

El... and USB... have it correct

1) you can make a 2 piece mold for a square

2) Blowmold into one corner

3) can be done like a rotomold

This is for high volume production.

One offs can be done by drape molding, or 3d printing.

However a previous contributor is right if doing a small volume, off the shelf plastic stock.

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08/25/2010 12:53 AM

Thank you charsley99, Elroy, kramarat, lynlynch, Rorschach, spacecannon, Usbport, for your great ideas and suggestions.

I will be better armed to go into the marketplace now thanks to you all.

Very much appreciated.

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08/25/2010 2:56 AM
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08/25/2010 4:57 AM

This is an amazing thread - never seen so many GA's for so little for so many before. Need to think of something clever to say so I can get one toooooooo.

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08/25/2010 5:38 AM

Good point. You will never get a GA because you are a lowly Guest. It is quite amazing to see all the brown nosing that goes on here at CR4. I think I will register and give you a GA and perhaps you can do the same for me - making the assumption that we are in fact two different persons.

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08/25/2010 5:58 AM

The best way that I can think of is to make a flat shape of a folding cube and then fold and heat weld edges. Given todays manufacturing capabilities this should be able to be accomplished with threes steps, maybe 2.

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08/25/2010 5:58 AM

Size matters.

How big is this thing?

How can anyone dare to attempt an answer to this when they do not know even the most basic answers to "how will it be used"?

How can anyone even attempt to design anything without a basic understanding of how it will be made?

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Re: What's the Cheapest Way of Mass Producing a Rigid Hollow Cube in Plastic?

08/25/2010 9:59 AM

Define "Cheap"...

Is it the lowest cost per unit? At what quantity / volume?

What is the intended function / application? Duty cycle? Operating environment?

What size / volume / mass is envisioned for this cube?

What sort of initial dimensional stability / accuracy / repeatability is required? Must these dimensions / tolerances be maintained throughout the intended effective life cycle of the cube?

What sort of post-function remediation / recycling is required?

In a high volume production environment with a "normal" operating environment (one that humans can survive/life in without external protection / life support...) and a limited use duty cycle, a blow-molded cube would almost certainly offer the lowest product life cycle costs. Most blow-molded resins can be recycled / reconstituted for future use.

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08/25/2010 11:38 AM

Cap, dude, GA for the questions.

but really he's asking for a plastic box, garbage in garbage out.

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08/26/2010 2:34 AM

Thank you BaldSprinter, CAPhelan, charsley99, Elroy, Guests, kramarat, Laughing Jaguar, lynlynch, RoGrrr, Rorschach, spacecannon and Usbport.

The cube shape is part of a kids toy concept, I want to try and sell the concept to toy stockists / wholesalers and they've asked me to price it up before I make a presentation, hence my question as to how to make it as cheap as possible.

It is a toy that hopefully could be passed along, though I accept that may not happen nowadays and they may end up in landfill so I take on board your point about blow-molded resins being capable of recycling.

The cube size will probably be no more that 2" x 2" but it's not critical and accuracy is not super critical either - within reasonable limits.

I hope that's answered al your questions but I want to thank you all again for a very informative response.

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08/25/2010 6:10 PM

Get some illegal mexicans to build them for you....

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08/27/2010 5:53 AM

Hello Wrench Twirler,

Would you consider gas assisted injection molding. Can you live with a cosmetic blemish on one of the surfaces of the cube?

We use gas assisted molding to produce the Assist Grip for the Toyota Corolla. It is an extremely efficient mold. The part weight is ~1/2- 2/3 of what a solid part would be.

Here is a brief description of the process. We have an 8 cavity mold to produce the handles which are completely hollow.

1.The mold closes and~ 1/3 of the cavity volume is filled with molten plastic. This volume is controlled by valve gating each cavity. A small gas pin sticks into the stream of plastic. When the plastic valve gate closes a shot of high pressure nitrogen (4,000psi,) is forced into the molten core of the shot of plastic. This pushes the plastic to fill the cavity and leaves a void in the part. The product weight from cycle to cycle is very consistent and within a gram of each other for 8 cavities running 24-5.

The valve gate will leave no vestige but you will have a hole of ~ 4mm dia close to the valve gate from the gas pin.

Hope this helps.

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09/15/2010 9:53 AM

Try contacting a molding facility which uses gas-assist injection molding. I have worked with a stretch blow approach for molding hollow items, but you would still have to fasten the last side.

YOu could contact someone in the rotomolding world - I don,t see mass producing in large quantities of these parts w/this proces but they may have developed someting new.

Good luck

I would be interested in your responses for this application - sounds interesting.

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