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Roswell Incident Dissected

06/05/2012 1:55 AM

Another conspiracy theory for all to chew on: Roswell. What is your take? I have repeatedly seen footage of people who say they saw the original debris on the ground and confirm that the official footage shown was completely dissimilar to it. They insist it is a coverup at some stage. Of what? That is the question. What is everyone's opinion?Then there are the frequent sightings in Mexico? Can we say that there is some cover up, of say some very human activities, something to do with the military, secret test, etc. or indeed there is some super natural happening? or the whole conspiracy is indeed fuelled by people to divert the attention from something else?

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06/05/2012 6:47 AM

Well, there's this!

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06/05/2012 7:30 AM

I have pondered the significance of the name, "Roswell" and wonder if Dan Brown missed a connection to the Roseline and to Rosslyn.

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06/05/2012 9:19 AM

The debris was from a Japanese balloon bomb....The US Government didn't want to start a panic that these bombs were able to reach us, and issued an order to fabricate a story that it was a weather balloon or something....In an attempt to confuse the issue, several versions of the story were released, including that the debris was from a UFO....Nobody would have believed that the story would become such a huge urban legend...About a thousand of the balloon bombs, out of the 9k launched, did reach the mainland, but only one caused any casualties....

http://www.japaneseballoonbombs.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

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06/05/2012 11:09 AM

Hello, if it indeed was "...from a Japanese balloon bomb..," why didn't the government come out couple of years laters (or even immediately) with a truth instead of letting alien stories fly about with the potential threat (that people would not be aware of ) of Japanese bombs. I mean, come clear with the bomb story (to put people on their guard) than feed people alien stories, when lives are at stake.

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06/05/2012 12:36 PM

We were at war...In any war there are two wars being fought, the killing one and the propaganda one...any psychological advantage that can be gleaned from any incident is pursued with as much gusto as any other aspect of the war....This was all classified info and couldn't be released...It was not even mentioned for 30 years, when some fool looking to sell a book resurrected this incident and sensationalized the story...no doubt he made a fortune off gullible, uneducated fools...

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06/06/2012 12:00 PM

Since Roswell was in July of 1947 that means this bomb was floating around for almost 2 years after launch? Or what it released way after the war ended by some die hard Japanese holdouts on one of those forgotten atolls? Seems a reach. And just where did the Japanese get those little bodies with the big head and eyes found in the debris field?

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06/06/2012 5:29 PM

What makes you think the debris wasn't there for two years before being discovered? They got the bodies from the same place this guy did, made them....There are a certain amount of people that just love to pull these pranks, sometimes for money and/or fame, sometimes just for laughs, sometimes just to prove they are clever...

http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2008/hoaxes/hoaxes-09.html

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06/07/2012 10:30 AM

If it been a Japanese bomb though, was it a dud and still there unexploded? Otherwise the explosion should have incinerated the balloon parts.

As for the little green (or gray) men the jury is still out on that one. I hear that the cafe near Roswell does a "bang up" business from UFO believers. Would love to have had one of the soldiers who actually did the clean up come forth after retirement and gave a good explanation. Would have been great if cell phones had been available back then.

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06/07/2012 3:08 PM

I've always been surprised that not one soldier from the cleanup crew ever spoke up. It would be interesting to know who they were, if they were all sent to the front lines in Korea to get them killed off or what.

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06/07/2012 4:36 PM

I would more likely think that their CO's "volunteered" them to be in the squads that our idiot Generals made march into the A-Bomb tests at Yucca Flats in the late 40's and who later died (basically were killed) due to radiation exposure. Kept their hands cleaner that way. I'll bet even under the Freedom of Information Act 65 years later they would be hard to find if the coverup went deep enough.

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06/08/2012 8:24 PM

Well if you would take 30sec to do some research, you would know what happened to them....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

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06/11/2012 11:38 AM

30 seconds, wow that's well beyond my interest level. Didn't see the connection between the poor GI's from Yucca Flats and Rosewell. Read the article though since I thought you meant that was explained by the Wikipedia entry.

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06/11/2012 12:04 PM

I was responding to #26 and some how you slipped in there....A lot of people have sacrificed their lives and/or health to make this country what it is.....Including most of my family...

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06/11/2012 12:15 PM

You have my heartfelt sympathies on that. I too have lost people and sometimes even worse have people who have to deal with handicaps due to injuries. When I see the injuries our boys have suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan I wonder if the price that the politicians made them pay was truly worth it. I go along with if the Politicians want a war let's drop them into an arena 100 at a time with 50 double barrel 12 gauge shotguns on the walls and let them go at it.

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06/05/2012 9:44 AM

Here is a conspiracy theory for you: I have read a book written from some first hand accounts (but is mostly stories and parables) that tells of a supernatural being who could bring the dead back to life, walk on water, whose mother was a virgin, and was immortal himself. That book gets a lot more play than any book ever written...and it's free! In fact, its title is just "The Book".

Is that a conspiracy or just a government cover up?

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06/05/2012 11:12 AM

That is the truth. The only truth we can believe in. Thanks

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06/06/2012 3:18 AM

If you would know the history of this book you would know that this is the biggest cover up in history.

The story has been assembled hundreds of years later, using stories from different time periods, omitting what would not fit in the picture that wanted to be created.

Or at least, if you would be sufficiently smart to understand that it is not the facts but the message behind which is important, you would understand the reason behind the Vatican's actions from that time.

Oh yes, they even could cover up that they covered up the origin of the book.

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06/06/2012 9:26 AM

Ha ha, you're funny!

"A brain is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

I'm sorry you've had some great hurts in your life in the past that have made you so cynical. It may help if you put the past hurts of your life on the "shelf" and look at the facts. There is as much historical data, Biblical and extra-Biblical, about Jesus the "supernatural being" as there is of Aristotle, Cicero, any figure of history.

If you want to say that He did not exist you should probably think your own life as some sort of mystical apparition and that you don't exist either.

"That book gets a lot more play than any book ever written..." That is a true statement that you have made. There is a reason for that. It is because people are hungry for Truth and the "Book", as you say, is the source of that Truth.

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06/06/2012 2:17 PM

That is the only truth that I can really believe, and everything our politicians tell us are all lies!

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06/05/2012 10:15 AM

Roswell is certainly the favorite UFO story. In my opinion there were actually two crafts, the main one was found by Boy Scouts, was the dish craft, and had the dead and not so dead aliens.

The second craft may have been a Japanese or American balloon. Striking the balloon is what brought the saucer down. It was the balloon that Matt Graswell found in a million pieces on his property.

Quite a predicament for the local military, an enigma rolled up in a paradox. No wonder they fumbled it a bit before the men in black showed up.

Since the 'balloon' material was supposed to be unique, maybe it was a solar collector or sail that accidentally deployed and caused the saucer to crash. Funny that material that was 'indestructable' was found scattered all over the field. Certainly a mystery there! Unless it was a type of 'space chaff'.....

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06/05/2012 10:22 AM

Holy crap...travel light-years across the galaxy only to be taken down by hitting a slow car in what was obviously the fast lane...

Some advanced race...

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06/07/2012 8:15 PM

I think the smaller 'saucer' craft are probably not intergalactic. They have been seen emerging from the huge cigarshaped Mother craft, which probably does do planet hopping.

However there is a suggestion that the aliens (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities) had colluded with Germany in piloting craft on Earth. Whether any were manufactured here at the end of WWII is hard to tell. They may have been more prone to crash??

Peter Greer's Disclosure group suggest that Rockwell Inc have produced fully working models, based on crashed UFOs and even achieved superluminal velocities. I was amazed to hear one delegate (Sgt Clifford Stone 1:10:42 on video) announce that they had categorised 57 species of EBEs during his time in US Army.

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06/07/2012 9:48 PM

Every day a new record is set in human gullibility. Congratulations.

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06/08/2012 7:42 AM

The joke is that he thinks you are the gullible one for believing the government denials

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Someone's not seeing the light!

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06/11/2012 7:04 PM

Maybe you (Tornado) would not be so sarcastic and arrogant if you had seen what I saw. There were plenty of witnesses and it stayed in the sky a good half an hour!

I suppose you also dismiss Col Philip Corso's evidence in his Day after Roswell?

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06/05/2012 12:35 PM

Our "take" is pretty much like a trial. We have been listening for decades now, off and on, to witnesses and confessors, with both "types" inhabiting both sides of the event. But, like a trial, we, the jury, weren't there to witness the crime.

There is intriguing testimony, from witnesses, concerning "smoking gun" type of artifacts, but none have ever been produced publicly. It has been many, many years since I read any of this kind of stuff, but supposedly, some objects were purportedly taken from a couple of witness who had them (taken from the site) for "testing" and never returned. Believers (victims?) say confiscation of evidence has routinely occurred in many UFO cases.

Weather balloons and dummies as an explanation, while reasonable on the surface, seems incredulous when applied to the people who have been interviewed about what they saw. Would you or anyone you know mistake a dummy as an ambulatory, living being? I doubt it. So I don't buy the dummy part of the air force explanation.

All we have is testimony from people on both sides of the incident. None of us can prove, at this point, what was experienced or seen. But from my seat in the jury box, the original witnesses testimony can't be dismissed the same as mistaking Venus for a UFO. This was up close and personal.

Opponents of conspiracy theories of any controversial event usually include reasoning that nobody could hide such a deed. There's just too many people who would know to be able to keep it a secret. I think the Wiki leak disclosures can temper that view. There's a lot of "off-the-record" stuff that the public doesn't know about. Almost 500,000 documents have been unofficially released about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And there was quite a bit of embarrassing information to show that officials can say one thing publicly but say (feel, and also, know) something quite different when they think they are in private and off the record. But who doesn't do that? The Jim Carrey movie, "Liar, Liar" was a funny examination of that. There's discretion and there is deceit.

Proponents of UFO conspiracy theories cite the prevention of public panic as one reason for "cover-ups." Given all the movies we've had about aliens, and the success of those movies, I don't know if a good case exists for that or not. But like the disconnect that does exist, between what we feel (or even know) and what we say sometimes, it could be that if UFOs and aliens were shown to be a reality, the public's, seemingly, calm acceptance of it might be quite different in reality. The famous panic surrounding the radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds," might still carry some truth to answer the question. We think we are too technologically sophisticated to respond that way now. (Many of the people who think they have been abducted by aliens are usually anything but calm about the subject, which might also be an indication of our true response.)

Consider that "Top Secret" or "Above Top Secret"(?) documentation is generated on a far smaller scale and probably not as available electronically as these documents were. People carry "secrets" of all kinds to the grave. There is much about history we will never know. But it can make for interesting discussion. It also isn't hard to find "scientific" type discussions about details in better cases. You might search around for this and find specific details for further discussion.

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06/05/2012 4:58 PM

The Roswell incident was in 1947, two years after Japan's unconditional surrender of WWII. No way was that a Japanese "balloon bomb."

Sheesh, why are people so damn gullible?

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06/05/2012 6:25 PM

The remains of the "flying saucer" were taken to Groom Lake (Area 51) where they were later repaired and mated to one of the flying cups captured during the war.

During a subsequent test flight the pilot lost control and the ship went back into outer space, never to be seen again.

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ahh...that took me a second

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Took me 2 sec...

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06/06/2012 5:46 AM

I heard the dish ran off with the spoon

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They were part of Bertrand Russell's celestial tea set....

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06/06/2012 6:10 AM

Project Mogul to detect Soviet Nuclear Bomb Tests

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AFTAC uses various sensor platforms...still.

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Careful brethren, they could be hearing us, watching our evry move, everthing....

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What has bothered me over the years is the use of the words "Flying Disc" in the initial report. If the debris was from a ballon of some sort why describe it as a "disc".

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The origin of the drama. Wrong use of words!

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Just another day at the beach....

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grow up. don't be so nieve. this is star trek type b.s.

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