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Contactors

07/12/2012 10:44 AM

When is the perfect indication to replace a contactor?

What is Ui and Ith?

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Re: Contactors

07/12/2012 10:47 AM

<...When is the perfect indication to replace a contactor?...>

Before it looks like that↑.

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07/12/2012 11:29 AM

not a preventive maintenance you

indications amigo

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Re: Contactors

07/13/2012 3:11 AM

<...amigo...>

How abstruse.

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Re: Contactors

07/12/2012 11:07 AM

No contact!

UI → University of Iowa

Ith → A ridge in Germany's central uplands.

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Re: Contactors

07/12/2012 11:30 AM

no joke amigo, no joke

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07/12/2012 11:36 AM

No joke at all. From the information you gave us I gave you a valid set of answers. If these answers don't satisfy you then you are holding back information from us. At the very least you should say why you are not satisfied with these answers.

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Re: Contactors

07/12/2012 12:05 PM

answer not valid, insignificant. answer within context please, not university

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07/12/2012 12:14 PM

There is no perfect indicator.

Ui=User index.

ith - Wiktionary

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07/12/2012 12:55 PM

What context? I have no idea if "Ui" and "Ith" are hand written on the chassis wall near a contactor, embossed into the wires connecting to the contactor, silk screened identifications on terminals of the contactor, part of the data sheet for a contactor or are part of a sub-assembly that contains a contactor. I also have no idea if the object you do not understand is even a contactor because you've not provided us a model or even a manufacturer for any of us to look up and translate the manufacturer's data into something you can understand.

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07/13/2012 3:51 AM

What 'context'?

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07/12/2012 11:42 AM

Amigo. A bit testy, what?

There is no "perfect" indication to replace contactor. I'd go with an imperfect indication, like failure to close properly. Or chatter.

Now, run along and play.

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07/12/2012 2:51 PM

You need to perform an analysis based on operating conditions (current, power factor), number of operations, ambient temperature, MTBF, etc and then reference it back to the manufacturer's data in an attempt to predict the probability of failure.

This is the theoretical way, and it is rather complex and subjective even if you have all of the data to analyse, but will give you an idea of when to swap out the contactor during yearly/etc scheduled maintenance before failure occurs.

For your application, we have no idea as we don't know what brand or operating conditions the contactor is being subjected to.

If it were me I would perform a basic analysis and inspect the contactor and its contacts during periodic routine maintenance to see if there is appreciable wear and if so replace the contactor. This will also give you a better starting point in future for when to actually replace the contactor relevant to your particular application.

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Re: Contactors

07/13/2012 1:55 AM

Yes, now, never mind.

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07/13/2012 4:15 AM

Dum de dum de doooo......

De do do doooo.....

Di di di deeeee.....

Do be do be do.....

La la la la laaaaa....

De doo doo doo.....

De doo doo doo.....

Tra la la laaaa....

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07/13/2012 9:36 AM

Amigo,

Hoy en dia la frase es la siguiente: Usted puede educar mudos pero no puede reparar estupido

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Ui = This

Ith - This

Now you tell us and we will go from there...........¿Si?

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Re: Contactors

07/13/2012 9:54 AM

Perfection is unattainable, good indications are.

1-Burnt points (contacts)

2-Cracked housing (plastic frame)

3-Discoloured or open holding coil (some coils can be replaced independently)

4-Chatter (excessive noise when energized)

5-Over heating (check connections, and tighten first)

Ui, possible UL rating, with dirty or damaged imprint. Ith, haven't got a clue.

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07/25/2012 10:20 PM

Given that the CONTEXT is an electrical contactor, one can ASSume that the OP is referring to Ui and Ith in the CONTEXT of contactor specifications. I'd bet a paycheck that he is also reading this in a Siemens catalog data sheet...

In that CONTEXT then,

Ui would be from the German compund word (don't ask me to spell it) that means Voltagenormaloftheinsulation, or "normal insulation voltage", meaning the voltage design rating of the contactor. The Germans use "U" instead of "V" for voltage, because U is short for "Unterschied" which we typically translate directly to "difference", but is also used the way we use the word "potential", as in "difference of potential", a.k.a. "voltage"! So in a typical low voltage IEC contactor made by someone designing to VDE specifications (meaning Siemens for the most part), the Ui would be 230V, or 300V, or 480V, or 690V, something like that. This means that if your contactor has a Ui of 300V, it is NOT able to be used on a 415V system but is fine for a 230V system.

Ith is the abreviation for I (current) th (thermal), so it is the thermal current rating that the contactor can handle if it is only carrying current, but not necessarilly switching it. This often differs from switching current in that because the switching of inductive loads is more difficult for a contactor, the Ith rating may not match the kW (HP) switching rating of the contactor. In other words you may have a contactor that says it is rated to switch a 30kW motor at 400V. If you look up the FLC of a 30kW 400V motor, it is 56A, but the Ith rating of that contactor may be 90A. That means that although that contactor could handle 90A thermally, it still cannot be used to switch an inductive load that is greater than 56A. So the Ith rating is only useful in selecting the device for a resistive load.

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Re: Contactors

07/29/2012 4:29 PM

GA to JRaef. Great explanation of U for voltage in German.

I deal with Siemens instrumentation reps and they are clueless as to the German terminology. In fact, I think I'll pass this on to them.

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