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How to Determine the Number of Cores and Core Ratio of CT's to be Used?

12/25/2012 2:22 AM

I am working on a 33/11 KV substation , which has one incoming 33kv line and one outgoing 33 kv feeder (the incoming 33 kv line is connected to a 33 kv bus and then from there 33 kv feeder to send supply to another location ) two numbers 5 MVA transformers 33/11 kv are connected with the bus , and then they charge a 11 kv swing bus ,and then there are 4 feeders of 11 kv . How can I determine which ratio and core of CT will be used at different locations , like in incoming 33 kv line , in the 11 kv feeders and just before the transformers .
say if we use 800-400-200/1-1-1 , and 400-200/1-1 CTs?

the link given below is the link to substation layout and SLD
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?2ge4z8d2p3iisgb

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Re: How to determine the number of cores and core ratio of CT's to be used ?

12/25/2012 3:53 AM

This may guide you, page 19 on wards.

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12/25/2012 4:05 AM

What are the client's specification say?

Are you the consultant or the contractor?

Who designed the sub station?

What does the Bihar State Electricity Board stipulate?

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12/25/2012 4:30 AM

the clients specification has mentioned the quantity of the current transformers

but in the boq they have forgotten to mention the CT ratios

the ratio part is missing .

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12/25/2012 4:36 AM

Then your query should be directed to your client. They are the responsible people to provide their requirement. Get their response on hard copy, not oral.

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12/25/2012 4:38 AM

that is what we will do ultimately but suppose i am the person who is designing this substation and now i have to slelect the CTs , so how do i select considering what details , or what knowledge that is what i am seeking to know , I am trying to think this problem in terms of design problem - skill .

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12/25/2012 8:27 AM

The responsibility for making these decisions should be in the hands of a QUALIFIED individual. That is obviously not you.

Until such time as you are properly trained and qualified to perform these tasks, you should not take money for work you cannot do. This forum is not the place to get that training.

From a previous thread:

There's an ethical question here. Should one claim to be knowledgeable in a field when one is not, in order to get paid to perform a task that they do not know how to do?

One should not misrepresent one's self to one's client in order to make money.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I am appalled at the number of unqualified people wanting help from this forum so that they can misrepresent their abilities.

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12/25/2012 11:05 PM

I have a great deal of training and expertise, yet I find something almost every day that I am not able to say I'm an expert on. New knowledge and skills are built constantly. This is a great forum for finding out the empirical data or skills that are otherwise not readily available in or on any other resource. That said, I have worked for many years in various capacities in manufacturing, automation, and industrial environments. Every single employer has insisted on hiring at the minimum possible wage, then demanding performance that exceeded the skill level of the employee. Sometimes it has been me, others it's been those whom I supervised. My point is: Don't jump to the conclusion that so many here are unethical, it is far more likely that their employer is demanding that they perform jobs above their pay grade!

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12/26/2012 7:51 AM

I find it laughable that you, after being here for a grand total of 13 days, are telling me not to jump to conclusions.

You do not have any concept of the type and quality of questions and people we have gotten here over the years.

If, in your sage opinion, the OP is deserving of help, then go ahead and give them the answer. Nobody will lecture you for helping the OP if you see fit, as you did me for stating my position.

I understand your point about some people being asked to learn new things. MY POINT to you is that you are new here and have no idea what manner of people come here for help, nor how many are just looking for the easy way out.

Some examples from today:

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This anonymous poster is so anxious to get an answer that they posted in 5 different catagories.Can we pre-locate Shiel/Screen defects in MV Cables using TDR?

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12/26/2012 10:23 AM

I agree with your assessment of dumb questions. I have perused quite a few threads at this point. The difference is that I see lazy people in this. Lazy students and lazy employees, looking for someone else to do the work they could just as easily do themselves. But, that's engineers for you! Most of us are motivated to find the easiest way to a solution and the easiest solution to implement. I won't help the OP for two reasons. One, the information he seeks can easily be found with a little internet research. Two, I don't deal with the answers he needs regularly, so I leave it to someone who has regular hands on experience in the subject. I still think that you are jaded by your continuous contact with the LCD inquiries. Most folks are not so unethical! I've read more than a few of your replies to questions, you are clearly competent and knowledgeable in your field. That however does not excuse your low opinion of your fellow man. Cops suffer this same problem, because their exposure to people brings them into contact with human LCD almost exclusively, they develop a world view that people in general are the LCD! You will note that I have not been demeaning or rude in my responses or opinions, you should endeavor to do the same. Arrogance is not flattering to your demeanor.

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12/28/2012 5:01 AM

I am not charging any money for this , and the decision of the client is final in this matter , all i wanted here was the answer to the question which arose in my mind regarding , on what principles do we select the ratings and core , and since someone does it , say the design enginner , what knowledge he used in the process - I am looking for an answer , I am not taking this decision in my hand , it is designing question , How do we select the correct CT ratio and core , and being an electrical engineer i must have a knowledge of that , what you have talked above about seems like you have misunderstood my question .

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12/28/2012 5:13 AM

"I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I am appalled at the number of unqualified people wanting help from this forum so that they can misrepresent their abilities."

You do not need to be sorry for being blunt , since you have accused me of something which i am not doing and hence your judgement of me was based on misunderstanding therefore i am not taking your comment which was based on a wong judgement seriously , and since you see that there are unqualified people here on forum and the fact you see it mean you have to be qulified enough to diagnose that they are unqualification , i request you to kindly share your expertise in this matter .

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12/28/2012 11:39 PM

mukultyagi, The links provided below are specially for you. These will satisfy most of your hunger for knowledge. You can even buy some reference books, that will stand you in good stead, among your peers.

How to design an electrical sub station?

How to size current transformers for an electrical sub station?

May I request you to KINDLY consider learning first, on priority, how to intelligently use Google? Then you will be able to proclaim "I am the Monarch of all I survey, in the realm of electricity"

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12/28/2012 11:49 PM

May I humbly invite CR4 members to read the posts of mukultyagi, on the link below, please note the date of postings.

post by mukultyagi: #6 "Re: P1 P2 in a Current Transformer " by mukultyagi on 12/28/2012 3:49 PM

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12/29/2012 1:46 AM

I have to agree that this guy is in dire need of a knowledge injection!

However, looking at his point of origin, and knowing the poverty of most of that country this forum may be the ONLY source he has for learning even the basics!

May be we should all kick in and get him a copy of "Electrical Systems and Controls:An introduction to electrical engineering for wireline service." the geek book of the month club is offering it as a selection for "Get 10 electrical and electronics books for just $1, when you join the club! ;-b

Or better yet a copy of "Internet Searching for Dummies." LMAO

@mukultyagi you really need to TRY to use your obvious access to the internet to research these topics and study what's out there. Then when you don't understand something I think everyone would be more willing to help you. They would certainly be grateful for you to show that you are at least ATTEMPTING to really learn this stuff!

I know how difficult it can be to find what you are looking for. One hint; Look for forums where student engineers are discussing classwork. For instance you can try www.IEEE.org you may have to join IEEE but that's very cheap compared to attending actual college! Also, look for the manufacturers of these items and systems, most of them offer free application and engineering data and even software about how to use and not ABUSE their products!

@Joshi and @Lyn I realize that it is annoying to deal with kiddie level problems when your really hoping to get a really cool and interesting engineering puzzle to solve. BUT, we all have to remember that we were once just as, if not more, dumb than this poor smuck!

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12/29/2012 2:01 AM

Thank you, DogOfWar. I appreciate your views.

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