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Malfunctioning of a Power Supply 5V-5A

03/14/2014 7:32 AM

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In a meeting room of my friend's office, there is a mobile phone jammer installed which has a power supply 220AC to 5VDC-5A like laptop power supply. The load current is nearly 1.8A. The problem which he has been facing that first original power supply malfunctioned just after 3 months. He changed with a new one and it also burn out within 2 months. Then he measured the load current and found 2A. He installed another 5V, 10A power supply and it also malfunctioned. He talked to me and I have checked the system that there is a UPS to provide back up during power failure. Every time the power supplies burn out when UPS was in operation. The image of wave form of this UPS is attatched. He can not change the UPS as it is much costly. I am also wondering what to do to over come the problem. The out put voltage of UPS remains constant between 220-225V. Other items such sound system enrgy savers etc wroks well with that UPS. Please help.

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03/14/2014 7:47 AM

Isn't it illegal to operate a cell phone jammer in Pakistan without an N.O.C. from the Pakistan government?

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03/14/2014 11:09 AM

Gee, a valid question, yet it gets marked off topic and immediately a whole bunch a people blindly jump in to offer help. :-)

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03/14/2014 8:18 AM

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03/14/2014 9:00 AM

I would suggest a separate ups for this equipment, with pure sine wave output...

http://www.minutemanups.com/support/pwr_un10.php

...I also would make sure this is an approved use of this technology...

http://propakistani.pk/2012/05/07/pta-warns-to-dismantle-illegal-mobile-phone-jammers/

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03/14/2014 9:03 AM

Do you have any more information on how the power supply has failed - primary side, secondary side, etc? Could it be high harmonic content from the UPS? What's on the 'scope trace by the way?

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03/14/2014 9:05 AM

My guess is that your friend keeps using a SMPS (Switch Mode Power Supply) and the lousy waveform from the UPS causes dv/dt spikes that quickly destroy the input capacitor. Try using an older transformer based power adapter, or buy a professional AC-DC bench power supply that has some descent filtering on both the line and output side.

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03/14/2014 9:50 AM

Cheapest way would be to run the 5V PSU directly from the mains, unless the power fails, when it could be manually connected to the UPS for the duration of the power-outage. After all, how much illicit mobile phone use would there be before someone noticed the power failure and switched over ?

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03/14/2014 12:21 PM

Cudo's for RamConsultant. The harmonics in a non-sinusoidal supply will cause problems in other ac to dc supplies. A very simple solution would be to buy an isolation transformer between 0.5 and 1 KVA. It will throw off a lot of the nasties in the form of heat, but that much mass of iron should be sufficient to protect the little DC supply.

I have to question the wisdom of having a phone jammer running on a UPS. If you have an emergency in a power failure, what do you plan to do? Perhaps someone will get a blanket and send smoke signals?

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03/14/2014 1:57 PM

I agree that an isolation transformer will likely resolve this problem, but I think that the transition to and from UPS operation is likely the root culprit and not the harmonic content.

As for the legality and safety issue, this is in Pakistan. A cell phone jammer maybe a legal, safety requirement.

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03/14/2014 11:35 PM

Eliminate the 220VAC to 5VDC-5A power supply. Feed the power supply with a automatic (10amps down to battery charge maintenance level) battery charger, a set of isolation diodes, a 12 volt deep cycle battery and a dual LM-338 voltage regulator feeding the mobile phone jammer. Not expensive, wave distortion proof, isolated from the UPS that has questionable wave shapes, can easily handle the current and at 1.8 amps it will supply for several days.

The line voltage/current feeds the battery charger, the isolation diodes (very inexpensive) isolate the battery and load from any wave form deviations from the UPS while it is feeding other equipment and the battery handles the load when the UPS is in use and isolated from it by the diodes. The dual LM-338 adjustable voltage regulators in parallel will handle 5 amps each (total 10amps) and reduce the voltage from the 12 volts (or other battery voltages if used) to the needed 5vdc 1.8amp load. A large capacitor might be helpful across the terminals of the battery.

This arrangement is a 5 volt 10 amp dc UPS that has no objectionable wave forms when the line current UPS activates. Total cost $100-->$150 US for the components, including battery, depending how fancy a case is used. K.I.S.S!

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03/15/2014 12:17 AM

Thanks to all for their feed back.

I think an isolation transformer based power supply is possible for me to arrange and according to the members, the problem will be eliminated by using it.

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03/15/2014 1:50 AM

Is the CRO photo a shot of the input voltage? If it is then there is a lot of clipping, this will cause quite a lot of power supply radiation - as opposed to the radiation of your jammer -. This could be quite dangerous and should be addressed quickly.

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03/15/2014 2:07 AM

What are you smoking?

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03/19/2014 7:02 AM

Something better than What you are..

Study power line radiation, see the harmonics radiated by clipping and therefore the radiated rubbish from such clipping.

Since the author has mentioned that this is the output of the device, my original comment is now a moot point.

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03/19/2014 8:06 AM

Peace dude!

The wave form is not clipped. It is generated, by design, to be that shape.

Clipping is a form of distortion. Distortion is unintended alteration. Nothing unintended here.

Modified sin wave has gone out of vogue (almost) because of the harmonics that these things vomit. Other reasons too.

Sorry my response was taken with so much agony mate.

You reckon your smoke is better than mine do you? Worth exploring.

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03/19/2014 8:21 AM

"It is generated, by design, to be that shape." - they'd much rather generate sine waves, but the waveform shown is easier and cheaper to produce.

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03/19/2014 9:58 PM

Exactly.

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03/19/2014 4:12 AM

Hi Jacko the Aus;

Yes the image of CRO is of input voltage. But this is the standard out put wave form of this UPS i.e. not a pure sine wave type.

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03/19/2014 4:28 AM

Modified sin wave UPS...very last century.

Just get a a pure sin wave online UPS and be done with it. Cheaper than a decent jammer.

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03/21/2014 3:21 AM

Have you tried using an SMPS type power supply. To me, it appears that u are using a linear PSU.

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