Shock, Vibration and Noise Blog Blog

Shock, Vibration and Noise Blog

The Shock, Vibration and Noise Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about shock absorbers, dampers and gas springs; noise control and measurement; vibration/acceleration control systems; and machine mounts and vibration isolators process control tools, specialty chemicals and health and safety. Here, you'll find everything from application ideas, to news and industry trends, to hot topics and cutting edge innovations.

Previous in Blog: Call it Comedy or Conspiracy?   Next in Blog: Will 2012 Shock Our World?
Close
Close
Close
25 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Modern Day Delusions of Technology

Posted January 26, 2010 7:17 AM

I love a good science fiction story just like the next guy, but then I tripped over a Web posting that tells of a government run conspiracy to create natural disasters. We don't even have the technology to accurately predict earthquakes, yet alone cause one. I was amazed at the lack of logic and science in the nonsense people can come up with. However, some good points are made in that governments are responsible for planning construction and sometimes those plans fail, causing other issues. How can technology help such situations all around the world?

The preceding article is a "sneak peek" from Shock, Vibration & Noise, a newsletter from GlobalSpec. To stay up-to-date and informed on industry trends, products, and technologies, subscribe to Shock, Vibration & Noise today.

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Etats Unis
Posts: 1871
Good Answers: 45
#1

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 12:43 AM

Yeah sounds totally bogus, we've got nothing on mother nature except for maybe global warming which we don't totally have the expertise to discern exactly where we stop and she takes over with that.

What the government (or at lea$t the power$ that in varying degree$ control government i$ able to do i$ to have plan$ in place to take advantage of cri$i$ when it doe$ happen. If you catch my drift. Read "The Shock Doctrine" if you want to know how evil that i$. Even if you figure that Naomi Cline is an extremist and negate half of what she says it is still a frightening scenario.

__________________
The hardest thing to overcome, is not knowing that you don't know.
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5197
Good Answers: 266
#2

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 7:20 AM

A browser that can filter fiction from fact and mark it as so.

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#20
In reply to #2

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:45 PM

I'm giving you a GA because so far your's is the only response that addresses the OP's one question "How can technology help such situations all around the world?"

I just wish this technology existed.

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 13
#3

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 9:56 AM

I wonder if things like nuclear tests in the oceans could cause underwater slides and maybe even earthquakes. I think they would be very small compared to plate movements. A dam breaking and a flood resulting would be the next best thing I could think of. But I'm not sure you would call that a "natural disaster".

I recall Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" novel in which the villains are trying to cause an underwater slide to create a tsunami. They also direct lightning to hit someone. That was a great read.

Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#4

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 10:25 AM

Were you on a paranoid creationist's site?

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 13
#6
In reply to #4

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 3:21 PM

I'm curious as to what this statement meant? What would be your definition of a paranoid creationist? Aslo, what would be your definition of a paranoid evolutionist? Thanks.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#9
In reply to #6

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/30/2010 7:56 PM

a paranoid is a paranoid regardless of their beliefs

In my experience a creationist is one who dismisses the idea that God may have been intelligent enough to come up with the idea of evolution without the help of a lowly sinner like Darwin... And they generally also insist that the words in the book they call 'The Bible' are divine and literally true even though they were written by men, re-interpreted by men, repeatedly translated by men into other languages and historically manipulated by men to serve the political ambitions of men... If you want to experience the word of God the texts of Man are not a good starting place...

As to your first question "...what this statement meant?" It simply means that the site from which this little nugget of a thread was born is, in my humble opinion, ignorant and paranoid.

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 13
#14
In reply to #9

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 10:01 AM

Thanks for the reply. I still have some questions, though. One, for instance.

... If you want to experience the word of God the texts of Man are not a good starting place... If this is so, where does one start to experience the word of God is not through the words of other men? I am not aware of any texts written directly by God himself that are available for me to look at. Everything we know of any god, we get from others, right? Also, do you believe in a god of any kind?

So you know who I am, I believe in the Old and New Testament God. I believe all of those writings are accurate and acceptable.

Again, thanks for the conversation.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#15
In reply to #14

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 12:35 PM

While this isn't the right forum for a theological discussion, I did open the box so I suppose the least I can do is offer an honest answer to your sincere question.

IMHO anyone wishing to know the 'word' of God must first listen with their heart and open their eyes to the majesty that surrounds us. Only through personal contemplation and dialogue can someone come to experience God. All the words in all the languages of the world are insufficient to describe, let alone explain, the truth that some of us have the joy and grace to know and most of us spend a lifetime seeking. The words of others can only serve as trail markers for those seeking the path, unfortunately unless the speaker and his audience share common experience the likelihood is that his listeners will draw upon their experiences and make inaccurate interpretations possibly leading them astray from the path.

As for a book written by God for you to look at... look around you, God speaks more eloquently than any man and his thesaurus, if a picture is worth a thousand words how many is a tree worth... or a planet... or a universe.

Everything we BELIEVE about God we got from others, everything we KNOW about God comes from our own personal, direct interaction with God and his works.

As for whether or not I believe in a god of any kind... This is a tougher question than I can reasonably answer in this space. Scholars of much greater repute than myself have dedicated vast collections of tomes to this subject. The best I can do is say that I don't believe we have any way to know and that I believe any efforts to prove one way or the other are futile and contrary to the "Teachings of God" regardless of what your religion is because faith must exist in spite of clear evidence to the contrary and enlightenment can't be imposed upon someone unready or unwilling to receive it regardless of any proofs you may provide.

I believe the Bible is a collection of parables and legends carefully selected from a much larger collection by the Catholic Church of the first 500 years AD to further the beliefs and ambitions of those men (whether or not their intentions were noble is something I'm not prepared to get into), if you want clarification of this statement I suggest reading "Lost Christianities" and "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman as they clearly illustrate my thoughts on the subject and provide better support for them than I could (seeing as I'm not a Bible scholar).

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5916
Good Answers: 204
#17
In reply to #15

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:18 PM

I agree with you. GA

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 13
#24
In reply to #15

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 2:11 PM

Thanks so much for the replies. I realize that this discussion has gone off of the main theme here. But it was good of you to answer and I enjoyed reading it. This site has given me a lot of information and enjoyment since joining it 3 years ago.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#5

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 12:39 PM

But it is true that both the US and Russia are bombarding the atmosphere with energy waves because the want to see what happens. In reality, they really don't know what they are doing and how it affects the weather.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-08/mf_haarp

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: kentucky
Posts: 236
Good Answers: 7
#7
In reply to #5

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 8:57 PM

Tesla reportedly shook a very large area one day with somthing in his garage/shop. Before you dismiss tesla's stuff,remember, he did invent what comes out of the electrical sockets in most peoples homes.

I am not sure if that was one of the ideas given to him by the aliens he spoke about,though.

Mythbusters tried to duplicate this resonance frequency phenomenom, and was able to shake a huge steel bridge to the point they decided they'de better stop, with a little gadget that weighed about 5 lbs.

I have no doubt that the HAARP in alaska could, if tuned to the right pulsed frequency, cause a resonant frequency vibration causing an earthquake. Now, i doubt they could predict exactly where or how big an earthquake, but i bet that haarp project could cause problems somewhere.

That, or one of these supercolider things being built. Some things probably werent meant to collide at the speed of light.

Problem is, when we figure out what NOT to feed a collider, it will be kinda late.

__________________
"god gave us fuel, greed gave us gas"
Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#8
In reply to #7

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/27/2010 9:59 PM

Tesla reportedly shook a very large area one day with somthing in his garage/shop.

This (using a device fixed to the buildings supports to cause the building to resonate at the correct resonant frequency) was thoroughly tested and dis-proven on the TV program Mythbusters (and they did build a massive resonant device and really tried to take down a bridge with no destructive success).

Before you dismiss tesla's stuff,remember, he did invent what comes out of the electrical sockets in most peoples homes.

For all the good he did he was also a scam artist so you shouldn't believe everything you read.

I am not sure if that was one of the ideas given to him by the aliens he spoke about,though.

Enough said about that the better.

Great, now the post I was replying to has been edited (quick edit).

__________________
jack of all trades
Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#10
In reply to #8

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/30/2010 8:06 PM

OK, I have to say it because the demons in my head are screaming...

Unless your talking about Mentos and Diet Coke, any argument based on the results of a Mythbusters 'experiment' is by its very nature fundamentally flawed. Those bozos have the scientific training of Zog the Caveman from the year 20,000 BC and I have watched many an episode where they "proved" a fact that I know from personal experience to be a load of diaper filling.

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#19
In reply to #10

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:43 PM

Mythbusters are not perfect (no one ever expected them to be) but they strike a good balance between entertainment and teaching engineering and science to people as well as reminding people that these fields are just plain interesting and cool.

I have watched many an episode where they "proved" a fact that I know from personal experience to be a load of diaper filling.

True, but it is also true they do get a LOT of mail and website hits from many people actively saying the same thing or offering up alternative points of view or tests (which they do under myth revisited episodes). Its all about the engaging of the public mind, this in itself shows to me that the program is worth while, that and "Zog" clearly disproving over unity and MPG vehicle devices in a way that the average "Joe" can understand and try himself.

__________________
jack of all trades
Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - Ancient Weapon Enthusiast United States - US - Statue of Liberty - Viva la Revolucion!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the dark, somewhere in Arizona
Posts: 632
Good Answers: 15
#22
In reply to #19

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:52 PM

Agreed.

Unfortunately the average Joe doesn't know the difference between hard and fluff science and if they happen to miss the episode where the 'Busters correct themselves you wind up with one more yarbo out there screaming "The world is flat! Don't fall of the edge!" This effect is only amplified when folks who work with hard science start using the fluffy stuff to back their statements and so I feel compelled to rail against any use of Mythbustering as an argument to prove (or disprove) a theory.

In so much as they do encourage the developement of curiosity amongst a largely incurious population I am grateful for the work they do, I just wish their program was on E! or some other 'fluff by design' channel...

__________________
Education is not preparation for life; life itself is education.
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 23647
Good Answers: 420
#23
In reply to #19

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:55 PM

I haven't seen them lately.......I did like watch more so because I think I was waiting for an accident to happen.

On the Woodwright shop about 10-15 years ago. The guy cut his hand, they went to a commercial, when they came back, it was all bound up and blood was seeping through the bandages........reminded me of a SNL sketch about Julia Childs when she cut her hand.

I keep watching. then on another episode the host showed a huge wooded screw atleast 12" in diameter and 7-8 feet tall. He stated this was used to make apple cider and gave it a firm pat. and walked up to the camera....well, he didn't realize behind him, that his firm pat got the big piece of wood swinging like a bowling pin trying to drop......fortunate for him it settled.

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 23647
Good Answers: 420
#16
In reply to #8

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 12:46 PM

This (using a device fixed to the buildings supports to cause the building to resonate at the correct resonant frequency) was thoroughly tested and dis-proven on the TV program Mythbusters (and they did build a massive resonant device and really tried to take down a bridge with no destructive success).

Was that the one with the mechanical walkers on a bridge?

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#18
In reply to #16

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:27 PM

No it was in episode 60 "Earthquake machine".

__________________
jack of all trades
Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5916
Good Answers: 204
#21
In reply to #16

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/01/2010 1:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JyUhdcrzk&feature=related

it was not disproved... they just failed to accomplish everything tesla did.

they did get some astounding results, and then quit, and minimized the results.

just remember the tacoma narrows bridge.. that also was resonant frequency damage.

Chris

Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - bwire Hobbies - Car Customizing - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Upper Mid-west USA
Posts: 7498
Good Answers: 97
#25
In reply to #21

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

02/02/2010 12:16 AM

Yes we don't want to be too free with some informations do we...

__________________
If death came with a warning there would be a whole lot less of it.
Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - bwire Hobbies - Car Customizing - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Upper Mid-west USA
Posts: 7498
Good Answers: 97
#13
In reply to #7

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/31/2010 11:30 PM

I think HAARP is quite beyond your pay grade

__________________
If death came with a warning there would be a whole lot less of it.
Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Environmental Engineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Anywhere Emperor Palpatine assigns me
Posts: 2774
Good Answers: 101
#11

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/31/2010 6:42 AM

Look at it this way. Conspiracy theorists are delusional, lunatic losers by nature.

__________________
If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of the Force
Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5916
Good Answers: 204
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Modern Day Delusions of Technology

01/31/2010 1:07 PM
Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 25 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

ageniusforhire (1); Anonymous Poster (1); armels (4); bwire (2); chrisg288 (3); DVader1000 (1); hairlesssimian (6); jack of all trades (3); ozzb (1); phoenix911 (2); rcapper (1)

Previous in Blog: Call it Comedy or Conspiracy?   Next in Blog: Will 2012 Shock Our World?

Advertisement