Build the "Wall"? Part 2

You gonna eat road kill? How do you know where that hog has been? Hoover hogs carry leprosy, BTW. Better have a damnably hot fire. Wear protective garments as rubber gloves when dressing out wild or other animals.

Did you hear that spot on the news where lightening struck a small grove of trees next to a fence with cows sheltering under it from the storm. I think it was 19 cattle killed by one strike. The rancher lady said several area families removed the carcasses (right after the storm), and can make use of the meat. Beware the taco! Just kidding, I am sure the meat will be just fine.

How about allowing illegal aliens a legal path to immigration in return for working to build the wall. I'm sure some kind of arrangement could be worked out to make this happen. An illegal would be given a choice; 1. go back to Mexico or 2. volunteer to work on the wall.

Perhaps the lessons of the Constitution, and the structure of our laws and government could be inscribed on the various blocks. Once they get through block 145,789, they should be ready for the citizenship final exam, and swearing in.

It might be interesting to see a comparison of their score, your score, and Trump's score.

Hey, I took high school Civics. I also got History courses from a world class expert in non-revisionist History of America, Texas, and the world. So there.

The course of learning opens up minds to thinking a new way. Something they may not have been exposed to in their former homes. Then there is the pay differential.

For example: a QC worker than lives in Tijuana, walks across every day to his factory job in San Diego (still working for a company headquartered in Mexico). His pay is 2000 pesos per week (amounts to about $100). If he was working for an American company in America, you and I both know his wages (even at minimum wage) would be far higher. This is just one example of poor regulation of what takes place here in America. Once the legal pathway to America is well paved, and easy for all immigrants to get started on, the problems will indeed disappear. Vetting of these new potential citizens will not take too many resources and is essential to ensure the safety of our citizens, and the integrity of our country.

It would be a good idea to have our congresscritters, president, and local government officials do a little boning up as well.

I think Anthony Wiener already took care of the boning up, and also Bill Clinton.

Seems like a lot of trouble for 20k people....

Not all illegals are from Mexico. A significant percentage is from south of Mexico, moving through into TX, AZ, NM, CA.

20K seems off by at least two orders of magnitude. At the top of your graph it states the data are in thousands.

As you can see from the data there are more Mexicans leaving the US going back to Mexico, then Mexicans entering the US from Mexico...The picture painted by the news media and politicians alike, is that there are hoards of Mexicans flooding through the border into the US....that's just not true....It might have been some years ago, but that has changed....

Really? Aren't they just going back to get more peepos to bring surreptitiously over the border under the cover of darkness?

In the film: America: Imagine the World Without Her, a 2014 American political documentary film by Dinesh D'Souza based on his book of the same name, Dinesh interviews a veteran border patrol agent that clearly states he has never seen even one person going across the border fence, marker, river, etc. from north to south. I tend to believe that guy.

By the way, if anyone still believes all the crap about America being evil, I suggest you read some Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville, such as Democracy in America. Even at her worst, America is far better than her contemporaries. What other country makes a conquest (such as Mexico), then in the treaty that follows only takes half the country, and gives the other half (we pwn'd them in the war) back?

Even the native Americans held their lands by conquest and expulsion of the neighboring tribes. Anyone who says this is wrong is a damnable liar and a fool on top of it.

Fact Checking:-0!!!!!

What are you? Un-American?

I will give you a GA for effort, but I simply refuse to trust anything coming out of Bill Clinton's mouth. He is at least as trustworthy as his wife, though. On a scale of 1-10, she gets a zero, he gets a 0.4.

I also noticed at the bottom of the article, they rate this claim of zero net migration is mostly true. Where I come from mostly true is still false.

"With a caveat for the missing year (2014)of survey information, we rate this claim Mostly True."

"In 2013, a Department of Homeland Security report estimating the size of the illegal immigrant population living in the U.S. said, "In summary, an estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2012 compared to 11.5 million in January 2011. These results suggest little to no change in the unauthorized immigrant population from 2011 to 2012."^[9] Additionally, 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants were estimated to be living in the U.S. in 2014.^[10]"

"For Fiscal Year 2015, DHS reports that the number of new visa overstays (not counting late departures) was 527,127.^[2] For FY 2015, DHS conducted a total of 462,463 removals and returns.^[3] For the same time period, ICE removed or returned 235,413 individuals.^[3] As of 2015, illegal immigration to the United States continued to decline in comparison to its peak in the year 2000.^[3]"

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States}

Current immigration policy is: open borders; just walk across, no questions asked. Based on that, we have no estimate of how many illegals are here.

If the Statue of Liberty were to be cut into ten thousand pieces, how many pieces would you like to be shipped to Donald Trump, how many to Tom Tancredo, and how many to you personally?

"...states he has never seen even one person going across the border...from north to south."

That might have something to do with the strict Mexican immigration laws.

We now have some additional design criteria. The proposer (a certain Mr. Trump) has stated that the wall will be tall, impenetrable and beautiful!

I wonder how far underground the impenetrable barrier will extend, and how long a tunnel would have to be for users to emerge in reasonable seclusion?

Based on our track record of finding tunnels, I would say look at San Diego area.

It is nothing a couple of good doodle bug trucks (thumpers) could not solve, in most cases. It might be illegal to operate a thumper in a seismically active area, not sure.

Advances in ground penetration radar make detection much easier.

Another detection method is boring, literally boring. I suggest that certain gases added to the boreholes could make life not so interesting in the tunnels. I did not say which gases, and the menu is quite large.

Perhaps the IDF should know about these techniques, for their long-standing and on-going struggles around Gaza.

"I suggest that certain gases added to the boreholes .... I did not say which gases..."

CO2 sequestration?

That would be a good choice, since it might not be fatal instantly, and is heavy enough to stay in place once administered. An odorant could be added to warn off the tunnel runners.

Nah! Just warning signs in Spanish and English.

Well, too bad for the Middle Eastern terrorists attempting to sneak in, but who cares?

Much has been cited by media outlets that expelling all of the undocumented immigrants will cause a financial drain on the u.s. economy.

Is there a graph available that shows by percentage the vocational fields that immigrants are engaged in and the net loss per industrie(s) ?

"Is there a graph available that shows by percentage the vocational fields that immigrants are engaged in and the net loss per industrie(s) ?"

No, because the data needed for that graph is kept secret by the companies hiring the "undocumented workers." No company wants to post the numbers showing how blatantly and how vastly they're violating labor and immigration laws.

At least business at county hospitals, emergency rooms, and morgues would decrease slightly.

Some government costs would also decrease.

There would be huge down turn in the market for tortillas (both corn and wheat) in this country.

Some of the fruit we now enjoy at local markets that traditionally come from Hispanic countries (mangoes, papayas, etc.) might disappear from local supermarkets?

Not to mention there really would not be nearly the available work force for agricultural labor in California, so where will the tomatoes come from then? Lettuce not forget who our pickers are, and the glorious work they do.

Just measure the distance on google earth. It's an estimate.

If I can map out a road on google earth, you can map out a wall. Add contour info to that and it will be pretty accurate.

Problem no.1. You'd need to place it on topographically high points, like the ridge of a hill, because you really cant build a wall crossing trough a river or block off large amounts of rain water. If you do then you'd need to drain that. The earth is full of streams and rivers. Subsurface water is also a problem.

Problem no. 2 Tunnels beneath the wall. You can extend the wall into the ground to founding rock level. This will provide a really sturdy foundation for your wall. I don't really know much about the founding rock in that area, could be filled with dolomite or who knows what else. It could be 60 foot deep.

Problem no. 3 The actual materials used will need to be extremely low maintenance materials. Best, solid reinforced concrete painted. When placed on good founding rock, no problem. Allow for thermal expansion or it will crack.

Problem no. 4 How high should it actually be? Getting over a wall is no real challenge. You can add a 6 foot electrified fence on the wall. Start of by building the wall 40 feet high.

Problem no. 5 Thickness of the wall. Minimum 8 inch. Of course then you could just break through it with a jackhammer. So it will have to be much thicker, high strength concrete. Maybe employ something similar to the concrete walls around a bank safe. Also add a moat on the Mexican side, filled with piranhas.

Cost estimate = excavation + reinforced concrete + cost of fencing + drainage + moat.

I'd say it's definitely possible. Politics aside. It will actually physically stop people from walking across the border. They will find another way in anyway.

Take all this money to be spent on keeping immigrants out, and invest it in the Mexican economy, just create a cheap labour manufacturing industrial little china right next to the US. Jobs in Mexico will stop Mexicans from looking for jobs in the US. Make Mexico part of the US, and then they can be controlled under US laws.

Problem#1. Finding a person who has the guts, balls or vision to actually start the project.

Dams cross rivers and block off the flow of water everywhere in the world.

Subsurface water is not much of an issue, sandy loam is all along the border, what doesn't soak in will wash away all of the debris left by former crossers.

Concrete and piranhas are not necessary. A better choice would be a labyrinth of half smashed up cars and trucks composed of razor sharp edges and rusting metals.

Industrial countries all over the world create their own businesses,,

Why does Mexico need U.S. Investment ?

Don't the people of Mexico have the money and the smarts to create their own economy ?

Or are all of the rich and smart people living somewhere else,,,

Easy peasy. Dead level is curved. Just goes to show that the earth is seriously bent.

Well, you've touched on the nub of the issue. Euclidean vs non-Euclidean geometry, though in this case, the base curvature is more pear shaped. They (Everybody knows who "they" are. "They" need no address.) say space time is curved and that if you had the perfect telescope and could see the far end of the universe and had a few billion years to wait for light transit time, there would be a familiar looking fellow there looking away from you through a telescope.

As far as the straight true wall, if you built it and balanced it on it's center, the ends would sag of their own weight into a nearly perfect fit, provided you bulldozed and dynamited a perfectly circular foundation bed underneath it from San Diego to the Carribean. It would mean redrawing the US/Mexican border as a straight line, but that's no crazier than any other part of the discussion.