Earth Not Rotating

Enough with the politics, please. This is a serious topic.

People can believe whatever they want , it doesn't affect reality at all...

Not true. When they start forcing their belief systems on others who do not agree with their logic or lack thereof and can prove them wrong it greatly affects reality.

Nobody can force you to believe something, you either do or you don't....You can change your mind, but nobody can change it for you...

That's not necessarily true. The person with the stronger belief system usually wins. That doesn't mean they are right. Often times, you find yourself agreeing with someone only to later find out you were right in the first place, that's because the other person had a stronger belief system than you did.

And when the fools spin starts affecting your golf.

I know. I thought it fascinating that there are people out there that believe this stuff and are so vehement about it. Even as simple as comparing a globe in a classroom and rotating it 1/24 of a rotation in one hour, how slow it moves and relate that to the size of the earth, which is 7919 miles in diameter. The water calm on the surface of the earth, I compared that to the atmosphere inside an moving automobile and why bugs aren't smashed against the inside of the back window. Just simple things but instead I was met with being called a moron, and stupid idiot and told to do some research. The Facebook link is what I originally saw, I posted a couple other links pretty much to show that there is other sources about this topic, Google has pages of them.

Those sort of people are called sophomoric bullies. Have no truck with them.

Tell that to Gallileo

Hey,... after 350 years... the Vatican admitted he was right and apologized... So its all good..... right?

I'll ask him

Facebook link yields:

It worked for me. Maybe because you're in the UK.

https://www.facebook.com/raelynbrady

That's a link of the person that originated the post. Try that.

Got her page OK but no sign of Earth rotation denial. Seem to be only 3 posts (2 on 10 Sept, one on 9 Oct).

BTW, I do have an FB account.

Same for me. Maybe you have to have a FB account, which I don't and won't.

I also know another one: "Never argue with a fool, as he has a rested mind".

Never give a fool a piece of your mind - you don't know when you will need it.

The earth is spinning is easier to beleive than it rotates a round the sun in 24 hours. So that we have day and night.

Or they regressing to the middle ages and suggesting the earth is the center of the universe and the sun rotates around us.

Next they will want to say it flat.

Good one.

If the earth is flat, then if it rotated it would dump stuff off when it was upside down.

What I've been wondering is why hasn't anyone flown down underneath to see what it looks like and taken pictures?

You have to cross the River Styx to enter the underworld, and it is the realm only of the dead. I think only Hercules was able to go there and back, and he was a son of Zeus.

It is said also that Jesus entered the realm of dead souls after he died on the Roman cross. He liberated all the just souls who had been waiting (sleeping) in the Sheol that is between the first Heaven (where we live now), and hell which is the realm of Satan.

Hint: The earth is flat only in the infinitesimal limit of calculus. The integral reveals the 3D structure of earth, nearly spherical symmetry.

Most of the time, attempting to fly "under" results in death of the crew when they crash into the ocean or terra firma.

I have wanted to fly "down under" and visit my Australian cousins removed six times.

Actually Orpheus was able to go there too

You know I tend to be pretty critical of the various god myths, but I appreciate this bit you introduced me to;

'...first Heaven (where we live now)...'

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'First heaven', how appropriately appreciative; deserving of additional research.

Thank you.

They say they have and say Earth is sitting on one of these ...

... except they fail to note what it's sitting on.

AS has been stated many times before, it is turtles all the way down from there on.

Hey!!! You are back!! Happy Holidays!!!

That explains the floaty feeling I get after a night out.

Not only that, the magnetic field (which we know exists) would turn the planetary disc into a giant Faraday homopolar generator. Thus, there would be astronomical currents between the outer radius of the disc and the hub (which is Lubbock, TX, center of the known universe, and "Hub of the Plains").

disclaimer: The above comments are a parody of bizarre world flat-earth society members who believe the earth does not rotate or orbit the sun. Please do not base any of your over-unity Rube Goldberg devices on the above comments.

Why is there no Flat Mars Society?

Because the Martians are onto our game!

How oblate would the sun be if it rotated about the earth in 24 hours at over 12 million miles per hour? It seems very round, and ipso facto

No fair using logic, that is not allowed on Faceplant.

It's so hot and bright in the daytime, perhaps we should land on the Sun at night with a big tape measure to check it.

You forgot the part about the sun going driving through the sky, and sleeping in the underworld at night. LOL

I thought Helios just parked it in his carriage house!

Do you know what a squirrel is?

Think of where such a squirrel you keep his lunch...

Then you know all you need to know about those people...

The answer my friend is this: "langue dans la joue"

Or this: "The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind."

If the Earth were rotating, then the velocity at the equator would be ~1000 mi/h. The centripetal force would have flung us off into space, and for survival, we would all be clustered around the poles.

Therefore the Earth does not rotate! They're right!

You can't discount gravity....

There is no gravity, the earth sux.

Must you be so offensively silly?

Why is that? Because you can't pedal a bicycle that fast? Have you never heard of Einstein's relativistic bicycle?

I don't care about a post being marked as off-topic, because I made all comments visible full time.

Polaris is not fixed in the heavens, but tracks a small circle that relates to earth axial precession, and over a longer period of time, earth's north spin axis will move off Polaris

to another point in the heavens, that may or may not be coincident with the position of a star in the sky.

Jeez! I was being facetious, but you are almost sounding serious.

Are you sure you don't believe that the Earth rotates, or are you perpetuating the silliness to show how absurd the idea is?

If the earth and moon are stationary, please could you explain tides.

Ask UKIP

And he's the one who got elected! A prime example of why proportional representation is dangerous....

Makes one believe, that the direction all holders of political office is to the lowest common denominator.

Are we off now to handling snakes and speaking in made-up tongues also?

Listen, Linda, Copernicus was a scientist, and he and others have made clear what the heavens are, and they do not spin around our earth. It is a planet, not the center of all things. The Bible also implies we should be humble in our ways and understand we should not overestimate our place in the cosmos. So far, astronomers have found many planets (over one thousand) rotating about other stars (suns of their own systems), and that really has no place in an Earth-centric point of view. I don't know if you are aware of it, but the sun even spins on its axis.

I suppose you are one of the ones who believes the sun runs off coal? If so, and if it were much smaller, it would have consumed all its fuel long ago. Where does the oxygen come from for the combustion?

Operation High Jump was about chasing down a supposed secret Nazi base in Antarctica, although the operation faced many downfalls.

How is it that planes fly over the north and south poles all the time? Air travel is the best way to get to our base in Antarctica where climate research and meteorological records are made, etc.

I was not aware Mikerho had said anything off-topic, or you either, since this entire thread has to be a Halloween spoof of science.

I think that the majority of your posts are excellent, but

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I believe your post reeks of ignorance and misinformation. I did not come to this conclusion based on anything I learned while in a "government" school.

It is based on what I learned by working in the aerospace industry for 23 years.

You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Hey fair enough, but I didn't introduce the religious aspect in this discussion just responded to it. But we know we live under the firmament that separates the waters above the earth from the waters below the earth, and of course we know that there is water under the earth otherwise how could Hell freeze over, LOL! Seriously though, it is hard to have a discussion about a ball vs. a plane without considering where we came from and who made it all.

Yes, we know that the West Texas people all love to quote the scriptures, too.

I plead guilty to an occasional political segue, but I steer clear of religion because I feel that too many who claim to hold it dear only do so on Sunday mornings. Some even going just to pray for crop failure after sewing their wild oats the night before. (Present company excepted)

I have no reason to be personally against religion, just as I have no reason not to stand for our National Anthem, but I also cannot condemn those who choose not to or choose to do it in a different way.

Uh, Massey, the firmament in the heavens came down during the Flood of Noah, so let's not mix up Biblical facts.

It has been said (by some) that the firmament in the heavens was metallic hydrogen (because back in the ancient times, the sky was not blue, rather it was magenta in hue). The waters above this firmament were contained there by gravity and were liquid apparently, and there was no rain in the heavens that came down on the firmament that was land, but water came up in fountains from the earth and caused abundance on the earth. We do not live under any firmament (unless you are buried, or you live in a basement).

It is thought also that the longevity of the patriarchs of the Bible was partly due to enhanced oxygen levels in the heavens. Apparently, the fountains of the deep were covered over with layers of stone that pressurized them to sprinkle the ground.

About hell freezing over, hell (IMHO) is a water-less place of eternal torment (or rotment) so it does not get that cold for molten sulfur (brimstone) to freeze over.

Why else would a preacher say, "Hie thee to the water-less places," while speaking to the serpent of old. I know for sure Hell is west of Lubbock by several hundred miles, and south of Tucson, AZ by more than a few tens of miles.

The Hell freezing over comment was definitely meant to be a joke. I agree with the rest of your post including the magenta hue. I learned about that about 30 years ago. BUT I also believe the firmament can be rebuilt for a do-over....several times. Sure seems like we are ready for a tuneup.

Actually, there are books that have been excluded from the Canon that directly contradict the flat earth proselytized by the church leaders at the time.

Read the Book Of Enoch. It describes Enoch being taken into the heavens in a fiery vehicle and shown the "sphere" of the firmament, and the other heavenly bodies in their true character.

Small wonder that it was excluded. At the time the church was all about maintaining their grip on their ignorant flock and expanding their power and breadth at any cost.

Hooker

The ignorant flock is alive, well and thriving.

Just look at the current US presidential election!

that was a path that stared a long time ago. And its over due for a CRTL ALT DEL, reformatting and reboot.

Would that be a non-rotating revolution?

They're the most stable kind

Now now, has someone put forth a rotten apple into thy barrel?

Stretch forth thine hand, and remove the offending apple, lest it spoil the rest.

God rest you merry, gentleman, let nothing you dismay.

My point exactly! I have said elsewhere, The Church (whichever denomination once established) is mostly about maintaining power and influence (and property and money). In the mid 4th century AD, old Byzantium had just become The Holy Roman Empire and adopted Christianity as a power move - what better way to keep the slaves in place than give them a religion that promised them riches in heaven for suffering on Earth?!

Elijah was translated to heaven in a fiery chariot too - funny how it took me years to shed the stained glass image of a roman chariot with fiery wheels.

Darn these 30 min lunch "hours"...gotta go!

Exactly. I remember that stained glass window, also. I broke with the church when I was 14 partly because it contradicted my scientific mindset and partly because I refused to believe that non-Catholics couldn't go to heaven, especially if they've never even heard of the church.

Since then, I've found the Bible to be an interesting subject of researching ancient happenings and technology, ala Ancient Aliens. And I'm serious. There's a lot of questions that need answering.

Hooker

I had to give a description of religion in college. in brief.

Well, yeah, that description has some small degree of validity in limited circumstances.

But there are altruistic religions out there and those who deal in reality on earth, like Buddhism and Taoism. And I'm not irreligious. I'm a Deist. No fear in my beliefs.

Hooker

You do realise that the Bible is a collections of mythologies, laws and histories, written down, in some cases, a couple of thousand years after the event; during the intervening years they had been carried as oral tradition, don't you?

Not to mentioned that after it was written down, it was also edited by a few selected men...

Certainly not everyone is a scholar in ancient Greek, can translate Hebrew, etc. Yes, men selected for their scholastic achievements, and their serious attitudes to be sure.

One would not hire a truck driver (as such) to engineer a space shuttle.

I agree with "good news". The Holy Bible is both literal and figurative in sections, not simultaneously. The correct means of interpretation is to assume first a literal meaning, and if nonsense results, the passage is therefore ruled to be figurative language.

I can see no test that wields trump over that razor.

If I see you in heaven it will be by the grace and mercy of God, not by my works. Although, generally speaking, one will know them by their works which are done out of love (for others).

"....The correct means of interpretation is to assume first a literal meaning, and if nonsense results, the passage is therefore ruled to be figurative language....."

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That is an incredibly accommodating, profoundly egalitarian approach to evaluating any text, much less one that claims divine inspiration.

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Egalitarianism is commendable as an approach to interacting with people. For ideas though, egalitarianism can be quite harmful, and is at the very least self- inconsistent Far better to be elitist about ideas and save egalitarianism for accommodating people and all their odd ideas.

I think you probably have an idea in your head you are attempting to communicate, but I can't hear you for all the blathering with $1.75 words.

Can you bring that back down to earth a little bit?

If you don't believe that figures of speech exist in the English language (which by the way is a very subjective, and not particularly scientific language), how could I ever convince you they exist in the Greek (ancient at that) and Hebrew, but they do.

How do you suppose the Bible was translated into English? It didn't get pulled out of someone's drawers.

$1.75 words? No deal.

But seriously, what is tripping you up here? No esoteric words were used. Of the words I used, 'egalitarianism' and 'elitest' are probably the least regularly used words, but I find it difficult to believe you aren't familiar with these concepts.

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'Egalitarianism' is treating everything as equal.... great for people, but absurd and self-inconsistent (meaning it contradicts itself, in and of itself) if applied to ideas.

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'Elitist' seeks that the superior examples should be allowed to control the path/make decisions, that the inferior should not get a say in what is to occur. This can be horrible as a way for groups of people to relate to each other, but one of the best ways for evaluating various ideas.

OK, I get that. I still do not see how that has anything to do with translating the Holy Bible from the languages of origin to English. By the way, no one (that has any common sense) ever said that God handed down the Bible as dictation, it was scholarly men taking whatever account was available to them, and with some modicum of inspiration (Godly attribute inserts here), wrote down what "we" have come to accept as the scriptures. Later on, through various means of history, archaeology, and cultural studies, scholars translated the words to Latin (the Vulgate Bible kept in the Vatican), and then into German and English as Protestant movement developed historically.

The Wycliffe Bible translators endeavor now to translate the Holy Bible into each and every written language of all the peoples of this Earth. They were some of the first missionaries into the most remote jungles of South America. Some of them gave their lives in that endeavor.

In reading and understanding what is written, one must distinguish between alliteration and literal possible wording where one first reads the passage at face value, and then being a reasoning, logical person it should be clear that the passage cannot be possible in the light of reality as stated, then it must be alliteration or symbolic in intent.

No one has pearls for teeth, for example, but we know what is meant when someone states, "your teeth are as pearls."

"...we know what is meant when someone states, "your teeth are as pearls."..."

Definitely. That is an overt threat of bodily harm. The speaker is saying "the task of removing those shiney enameled bits from inside your face is arduous and not pleasant for anyone, but after drilling holes, polishing and stringing those up, your sacrifice will bring my wife great joy and thereby bring me great joy".

What the hell? "That is an overt threat of bodily harm". WTF?

It was Solomon speaking to the Queen of Sheba in the Song of Solomon, if I am not mistaken. He was paying her the highest compliments for her beauty. Song of Solomon 4:2 - "Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them."

Do you get it now? The big hint on figures of speech include the words "like" and "as"

Someone better versed than be in this subject has told me on more than one occasion that it's open to interpretation.

I don't speak Aramaic, so the subtleties of the language are likely lost.

As much as it relates to today, teeth compared to livestock or to jewelry components (both commodities decently fungible) does have overtones of objectification at the very least.

I would hazard the guess that 'evenly shorn' is an allusion to something brushing and good oral hygene, and that while sheep look decent from the front, poop still sticks to their butt fur so they stink around back.

As far as none of her teeth being barren, I haven't figured that one out yet. Same goes for the part about her teeth baring only twins......of wait. Like or as her teeth only baring twins. It isn't any better as a simile than a metaphor.

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Still, if someone were to come up and begin talking about your teeth being like pearls, it might be reasonable cause for heightened alert, neutral stance, reassessing the surroundings, knees slightly bent, etc.

You really are a funny guy!

I laughed my way through the part about sheep especially. I suppose I better watch how I compliment my wife.

I don't understand what part "alliteration" has to play in this discussion.

alliteration /əlɪtəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/ noun noun: alliteration; plural noun: alliterations

1. the occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words. "the alliteration of ‘sweet birds sang’"

I was talking about figurative speech versus literal speech.

If Bill Clinton makes a speech about a woman, she may hear a reference to her figure.

If Donald Trump makes a speech about a woman, she might literally take off running.

HRC did. Look at her run.