Motion in Perpetuity, Not Violating Thermodynamics

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_{/Checks calendar. No, it is not April 1st.}

reminds me of the joke...

"When I was your age, we had to walk FIFTEEN miles, uphill, both ways!"

You should talk to this guy.

Where did you find that jewel?

He found us.....

Ah yes, Tommy and his "imploding tornado" crock pot.

I seem to recall printing that one out and using it to line the catbox.

Was that the cat with buttered bread strapped to his back? How did he do his due diligence in the box?

The generator input shaft placement forestalls the need for a catbox. The catbox is for the spare's use only.

The extra biofuel is just a bonus.

Careful unstopping the stopper during routine maintenance. Prime Movers affixed to the shaft for periods exceeding the recommended maintenance interval have been known to explosively exceed Warp 12 when uncorked.

I love that one especially! Cat energy forever! Solar - I gotta hand it to you, that makes more logical sense than about 19.9/20 items submitted that claim over unity.

I am not claiming over unity here. Some thing makes these wheels keep turning, and no one has even intimated that power can be extracted on an output shaft, lever, or other accouterments.

No, those wheels don't keep turning. The sum of moments is zero.

So the videos are just a complete fiasco... so that a machine could not be made where air currents would not produce a differential moment?

Heck, I can create a differential moment, just sitting in this chair!

They got hidden batteries....People go to a great deal of trouble to hide the batteries in these perpetual motion machines, then sell the plans to fools without the batteries in the drawings, and people wonder why they can never get them to work properly....and people like us that understand the laws of physics, wonder how those people can be so gullible....it's been going on for hundreds of years....

Now I can sell you the plans to a real perpetual energy machine for a small fortune....??? You interested???

If it goes by the name of Diablo Canyon, I am not interested.

No batteries needed*; just good bearings and maybe not even all that good - the whole video is a shade under six minutes long and shows four models. 'Perpetual' "is a long time, especially toward the end" (with apologies to Woody Allen).

* Except possibly the one with the rollers (@ 4:08): notice the edge of the wheel extends below the top of the base slightly - just enough room underneath there for a small motor with a friction wheel. The builder couldn't make that support higher to give the wheel clearance? Alrighty then.

How exactly is the cat attached to the shaft?

Reminds me of this :

Porta-Puddy

Put cat in box with radioactive isotope and it becomes a .... wait for it....

Cat-alyst. No Peaking!

I was gonna say: Cat-ay-done (De Catta done gone ana de died)

It might also be Shroedinger's cat. Alive one minute, and gone the next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltlPINPn8UU

Some cats just never leave in the first place, others ...

...the cat came back, she wouldn't stay away,

she was sittin' on the porch the very next day...

time for another beer song. Oh snap, that is a beer song!

Similarly for Buckingham Palace's recent, 11th-hour emergency meeting that sent the press all a-flutter: certain Royalty were simultaneously alive and dead. That is, until it was announced that His Geezerness Prince Philip will no longer be cutting ribbons, waving at crowds, and making social gaffes, travesty of travesties.

Now the Queen will be waving with both hands and in compensation Parliament has granted her a 66% raise for the next ten years. Such optimism. Oh yes, and £370 million to refurbish Buckingham Palace even whilst austerity measures cut even deeper into aid for the county's poor.

Don't get me started on 'Royalty.' %#!*& parasites.

How is that on topic? I recently answered a question about a power meter, and got lambasted as off-topic, when all I was trying to do was answer with the information given...

We have royalty in America, just ask the movie stars.

off topic? naw. It's ok, we know the original poster, he is fine with off topics....

If the box does not fit, you must acquit.

Really, know, you do not have to fully open the box to know what smells reside therein.

Eh? Wassat?

Oh! Sorry. I was stuffing bronze wool in that acetylene tubing on your molten-salt thorium-reactor thread. Makes a great flame arrester you know.

I like to have sweepingly broad topics, it makes for a lighter day, Zippos at 20 paces?

Oooh! That's one for the Museum!

I skipped over the overbalance engines, and went straight for the advanced materials.

The energy sucker caught my attention, but I already have one. My wife leaves all the lights on all the time, and is as likely to leave a stove burner on as not. She seems better here of late, but that is only because she has stopped cooking, eating, and washing dishes. I guess she believes that if I am the only one eating, then I get to do the dishes (twice a month should about cover it, I think).

Thanks for the laugh.

The Boyle Flask requires a "special" fluid...

Flowjiston lives!

No wonder people that drink Bud run off at the mouth!

Budweiser - the King of Flow-just-a-nuff. (Flogiston).

Thank you so very much for clearing up this matter, as it had left me with a scratched up noggin.

Of course, my mind led me astray into odd-ball considerations of surface tension, viscosity, etc. Density pressure is the real physical bastardo at work here.

Could this be used with a suspended gas (foam) to actually raise water from a pond?

Let that same beer grow stale and repeat the experiment. The carbonation is what drives it.

Exactly, no pump required, and you can try it yourself.

https://www.pinterest.com/explore/perpetual-motion/

So, which way is it supposed to turn? Is there more torque from more weights on the right side at a smaller lever arm (closer to the axis) or fewer weights farther from the axis on the left side? My guess is that the torques will be equal and cancel out, and the wheel will not turn.

The Boyle flask has a hidden pump.

They have to; otherwise it would self-start.

or have to walking evil dog that starts chasing an evil cat....

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The Boyle flask relies on the lighter density of bubbles/foam to make it work, no pump, really!

The wheel shown in your attached photo, the sum of moments favors the left, so it should rotate counter-clockwise, self-starting might depend on the resistance of load bearings.

It will rotate one direction as easily as the other and for just as long given the same initial angular momentum. Reversing direction merely reverses the order in which the mallets trade potential and kinetic energy back-and-forth. Evidence for this can be seen the slightly 'jerky' motion of the different wheels.

Really, one would be better off building a simple flywheel. With identical bearings the flywheel will turn longer as it is not also dissipating energy through elastic collisions with the stops.

I suppose you meant to say inelastic collisions (that dissipate energy).

Hey one man's Paradice is another man's crap game.

Yes, I always get those backward. Dyxlesia

Dyxlesia? Sounds painful. I almost missed that one.

OK, you might get some temporary flow generated from the carbon dioxide coming out of solution from the beer. The energy comes from the energy used in carbonating the beverage in the first place. It's not perpetual motion.

The wheel would not work. It would not start by itself, and if started it would stop more quickly than a similar wheel without the moving weights because shifting those weights dissipates energy by friction.

No free lunch...

The Boyle Flask has only outsides, and no insides, and therefore contains nothing, directly, or everything, indirectly... (depending on one's prefered topologic perspective...)

You really are confused today aren't you? I suggest your guts also contain nothing, and have only outsides, and no insides. Is that what you are talking about?

Wow. Make it ridiculously complicated, OK?

News flash:

Donald Trump and the Republican party leaders have just introduced a bill in congress to repeal the Laws of Thermodynamics. Supporters of this bill claim that these laws have been holding back the US economy to the point where the children of major corporate CEOs have had to go to bed hungry.

The Democrat opponents to this bill state that Gibb's energy should be free for all.

Sounds like a freaking free for all alright!

Gibbs says Freedom is not Free! It takes a lot of Entropy to gain the Potential (Exergy) to vanquish all oppressors of Liberty loving people.

Not possible, until the repeal of The Law of Conservation Energy is passed...

It is official, the USDA has no conservation energy left, so you are free to mess up everything!

None of the systems shown is a closed system. I might agree with you if there were any closed systems included, although one (in a vacuum) was discussed, but even a Crooke's radiometer is not a strictly closed system, as there is clearly a window for energy input.

Closed systems should by definition be also defined as adiabatic. (no heat entering or leaving the system boundary).

Good luck finding any closed system that (1) meets the true definition of a closed system, or that (2) runs (for long).

Perpetual music.....

At 05:30/7:04 in that music vid, what kind of car is that all lifted? Tell me it is not a Cavalier, please. I think it might be an old 1960's Rambler???

1965 Rambler American 220

There is my evidence for thinking that.

No I believe that is a Nova....very popular to hot rod back in the day....

Yeah, now I see the chrome lettering on the read quarter panel matches. Good forensic job, SolarEagle! You gonna apply for that FBI Director job that is now open?

Perpetual motion exists in space.

If you wait long enough, entropy gets it sooner or later or later or later....