Really, Is This Necessary?

This has nothing to do with government. It's the barracuda lawyers, who will kill their own mothers for money that's doing it.

2 things...

1.) 99% of attorneys are politicians...

and

that’s why I said, ‘government creep’, it doesn’t all happen over night,

And the corollary: 99% of politicians are or were attorneys .

And where did you get it has nothing to do with the government anyways?

You said it. They're all lawyers.

I'm seeing this California proposition 65 warning on everything lately....even if it has no offending materials, it says this product contains no Calif prop 65 warning.....and it's funny that the warnings state that the substance in question is only found harmful in California.....well I'm not in California, so I guess this doesn't apply....

It's the genetics of people that live in California. The DNA twists to the left...

Must be the Coriolis Effect...

That's not quite it.

California, on year-round average, gets the best weather, nation-wide...

The consequence is that their minds are slowly sucked dry from essentially year-round sunshine... The cummulative result is that they become slowly dulled to the point where people don't really know what they vote for, and politicians don't really know what they wrote into their laws...

Thus, over time, Californians pay a sort of (weather tax ?), all the while telling themselves how cool they look, and sound, while their rights, and tax-base, continue to simultaneously inflate, and erode...

No wonder they have, in effect, been duped into wanting to attract even illegal alien felons in across their borders...

What a load of bigoted nonsense.

I lived in California for four years . . . . while there is a certain level of tongue-in-cheek / sarcasm . . . from what I saw in the Bay Area there may be more truth to that than many would want to admit.

Even though it may sound tongue in cheek remark,... You may not recognize it... because it’s becoming the norm along the west coast.

If you look at California, there’s a lot more to it... take the water distribution issues aka the water bank... it’s nothing but a corruption organization. By the larger corporate farms. To name one is wealthy Los Angeles businessman Stewart Resnick who owns Paramount Farming Co., ^{also the Franklin Mint,}

BS! Very little of what you say is verifiable as even close to the truth.

However when you say," people don't really know what they vote for", I say California voters are as well informed as voters in any other state.

And, "politicians don't really know what they wrote into their laws," is true nationwide, especially in Congress where lobbyists and staff write (most) all the legislation. Politicians are too busy raising more money.

And these some people vote in the same career politicians,... year after year after year... and are reaping what is sowed.

This is NO DIFFERENT than any other state, is it? If yes, tell me how, with facts, not hearsay.

It seems to me that you are all blindly following someone's prejudice against California because of no particular reason than they have more consumer protections in place than some backward states.

Never lived there, just think you all have a pack mentality.

No it isn't any different than any other state... and like I said, you reap what you sow. The difference is, some march because that's what they're need to be told what to do.

Just like,... need to be told that this grease that inhibits rust on the planer bed can be baddd for you....

Never lived there, just think you all have a pack mentality.

Maybe being part of the pack mentality is .... you, its just that no one told you that yet..

Essentially, California leads the charge to make everthing idiot-proof...

The FINAL RESULT will be that everyone will have become an idiot, because then, they won't need to become anything more than an idiot...

_{(...but maybe, that IS ''the Plan'')...}

It just a matter of time, that California taxes it people and businesses to move out of state.

You got it! Between taxes, regulations, and the cost of living, it's difficult to live in California.

We have Prop 65 warning signs at most, if not all, entrances to our plant. Every product we produce is 100% metal/alloy, but you'd think we were producing pesticides or something like that...

If it weren't for the climate, there'd be no intelligent people left here!

if they do move out, i hope they don't bring their stupid ideals with them to contaminate the rest of our country. Crap up the place and move on to another.. sounds like most renters around here.

They always bring their ideals with them.

About 20 years ago I lived in southern New Hampshire for 11 years. I worked down in the Boston area but refused to live in Taxachusetts. The NH motto, "Live Free Or Die", was taken very seriously back them. The state had virtually NO state funded welfare.

We had a new family move into the neighborhood and attended a house warming at their house. Turns out they had moved up from Massachusetts. Almost immediately they started asking stuff like why doesn't the state provide funds to put up a fence around their yard to keep their autistic kid from wandering off. And other things based on what they would get in Mass.

I finally asked them why the moved to New Hampshire. Their response was, "Taxes are too high in Massachusetts".

Beware those moving from high tax progressive states. They ruined New Hampshire.

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I'm surprised the No Smoking sign doesn't include urination, defecation (except on prescribed places) and sexual congress.

Nope, those are organic and therefore good for you.

Hemlock is also organic. It's not good for you.

Well, in that case I'll go for the synthetic hemlock. Not so overpriced. Thanks for the penny pincher tips!

Why don't they just get to the meat of the matter and resolve:

LIFE CAUSES CANCER

Or just bypass this intermediate step and declare:

LIFE CAUSES DEATH

Then they can blissfully secede from the Union and become their own third world country which they are clearly on track to do.

Death can not happen,... without life.

To quote Dr Phil...

Ya Think?

And vice versa (at least for long).

Warning signs and labels are an absolute necessity. Do you really think anyone would have bought a house anywhere near Love Canal had they known otherwise ?

Not that long ago, a very nice person shipped me 2 containers of specialty cooking salts. I'm sure somebody in this crazy state might of said it was hazardous. But with me, mum's the word.

Its not that individuals don't have the capacity to think for themselves, its more like that they wont think for themselves. However, yes, somethings can be taken too far.

There is no point in blaming any government, as in a democracy, the <...individuals do not have the capacity to think for themselves...> carry out the appointment of individuals to the governing body.

They will find out this is another case of crying "wolf". I no longer waste the time to read any Prop 65 warnings because I assume it is totally inane.

Interesting that no one got right to the point. It's all C Y A. Closest were the references to lawyers. However, with the same warning appearing on everything, it is bound to just be ignored.

It is pure CYA b^ll$&!t.

A part of me insists I play "devil's advocate" here. Why must all warnings be applied only by governmental edicts? Warning the public about a plausible hazard should be part of due diligence and not an admission of guilt or poor engineering.

Agreed that "plausible" warnings should be applied even without government edict, and, due diligence should be applied, and in many cases it may be, but somewhere along the line it probably gets pushed to the back burner so the product can be sold after all the risk analysis' are done. After all, that is what it is all about, what and how likely are the risks and what might they cost?

We do seem to have gone a little too far when a bin of peanuts or a jar of peanut butter are labelled, "may contain nuts". Then again, it may not be obvious to every person on the planet, for what ever reason.

As well as politicians trying to "please all the people all the time", they now have to "protect all the people all the time", even if that protection is only from themselves.

As a person with a nut allergy the "May contain nuts" warning is one of the most frustrating warnings I encounter. It implies to me that the food processing facility is so lazy that they do not know what is in their product.

Nothing will hurt you, according to those who sell it to you.

Tobacco? Completely safe according to those who profit from it, including Congress.

Most of California's problems are from idiots just trying to justify their existence.

"Oh yea, I saw grease on that machine and it didn't smell very good. So I put a warning on it to warn against the dangers of cancer." Even though the can that the cutting oil comes from has a warning of that nature already.

It reminds me of a story I'd recently heard about some guy going to the hardware store and finding out that 4x4's only measured 3-1/2"x3-1/2" so he's suing for false advertisement.

Common Sense is an extremely rare animal in California. Practically all the politicians don't have any. Even them old ones, that you'd expect would.

Too big--now 1-1/2" x 3-1/2". The nominal 2x4 is the rough-sawn dimension before surfacing.

[Added] I see since that this has already been mentioned. Also, 1-5/8 x 3-5/8 was common for quite a while. There also used to be S2S and S4S classifications for lumber surfaced on 2 or 4 sides.

There never really was a 4x4 or a 2x4,, for that matter.

The terms 4x4 etc were designed by marketing people.

The same ones that brought you the Easter bunny, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

The thing is, there really isin't a convention on how thick or thin a piece of wood should be.

Its up to tradesmen to make it work for whatever the application may be.

That’s false, back in the day, the neighborhood sawmill had their own way.

We didn't have a saw mill in my neighbor hood .

The prop 65 warnings are pure government and not a tort liability issue. The only liability is that if you don't add the fluff, then you are liable for a government fine, although there are some law firms that specialize in suing anything that moves or doesn't move on the basis of not properly labeling for prop 65.

Getting to the point that since everything is dangerous, nothing is dangerous...or at least you can't tell from the label.

The whole Prop 65 started out with the best of intentions (and the road to . . . paved with . . . .), but those who wrote the law failed to account for the Law of Unintended Consequences because they failed to see the big picture.

Or maybe it was sponsored by those who would profit the most from it . . . .

Writing good laws is incredibly difficult to do. This is a good example where writing a bad law is worse than writing none at all.

Remember that this was also a statute voted upon by the populous and not a carefully crafted law.

Regarding the voters....

Not being familiar, exactly what % of the populous actually did vote on it??

Now I don't know how it is in other states, but in California, laws can be created and put on the books without voter input.

Take the most recent one, the gas tax

A law created without voter input,,now a petition is being circulated to remove this law.

But the petition has to be approved by the very people who created the gas tax law in the first place.

And the merry go round goes round and round and ,,,,,,

...and it is virtually impossible for even a well-educated voter to understand the full consequences of any proposed (or existing) law. Since the majority of voters are probably NOT well educated on whatever topic relates to the proposed law, Then it boils down to which side can create the most effective TV propaganda machine.

Understood, which really makes us ask whether the voters should be entrusted to enact laws at all. The idea of a democratic republic where the people elect representatives who in theory should be better at crafting legislation with checks and balances afforded by the executive and judicial branches . . . .

The biggest problem with politicians is that they think their constituents expect them to make laws when they enter office. The fact that all the useful laws have already been enacted is of no consequence.

And those of us with a modicum of common sense suffer the results.

You mean like Trump's order to cut two regulations for every new one implemented?

Oh, and Congress's habit of exempting new laws from the mandated sunset provisions they previously enacted!!!

When I went to school, they weren't handing out diplomas for degrees in the mayoral sciences, congress cum lade or phd ( presidential hot dog ).

So, where did they get all of this experience to govern over us ?

Although originally from New York, I spent 30 years living in California. I left there to take up residence in Mississippi 26 years ago and raise a family. We are all doing well and so glad to be out of that state. Believe it or not, when I first landed in San Francisco, it was a pretty nice place. It has gone downhill since. One thing I didn't do was to try and change things; instead I adapted to the customs and ways of my new environment.