Guruship

Hello ducon,

Kind Regards from far away.....

Thanks. Great cartoon of the Guru.

Hello again ducon,

I "collect" interesting graphics, and try and remember exactly where I put them, while awaiting a use for each.

I have a few spare ones, should you wish to start your own collection, and seeing as you're such a helpful sort of chap, call here to collect them in person, any time.

Just so you know me when you arrive here at the airport, I attach a picture of myself, taken with my brother some 40 years ago.

The only problem both of us have, is that neither of us can remember which of us is which.

on joining the dizzy heights of "Guru" and for being able to

Kind Regards....

Thanks. i just love your graphics

Has anyone cracked 500 faster than

Spark Station?

good answers seems to be a good indication of quality

CSM Engineer has 11

Is there anyone w/more?

Del has 15 "Good Answers". Don't know of anybody with more than that.

Del snuck up on us all

of course if we subtracted the off topic from the good answers, some where in the neighborhood of -10⁵ , since self marked otp count -5 & good answer only 2.

What is a Guruship?

A very enlightened ocean going vessel?

A transport for the enlightened?

any other possibilites

Now I've gone & gotten on Andy's blog

Sparky's made 16!

Note to self - spend more time on the fora, else you'll never get any good answers...LOL

Congratulations! What kind of ship did you get commissioned?

Congrats! I'm personally holding out for picoguru.

I was thrilled the other day when I hit 250 and became a "ru" I hope some day to earn the "gu" to go with it.

CR4 titles stopped at the Guru level. There was a previous discussion regarding this:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/10927

I got a couple of good answer points there .

I think Mark (mgaulin) is working on an improvement. Maybe your inputs can be used.

Maybe a measure of good answers or a ratio of good answers to total posts...

Congratulation Ducon, Happy New Year and Merry Christmas for you and all CR4 friends.

I'm also granted 0.558 Guruship plus 1 good answer. If we added that post I'll increased by 0.002 to become 0.56 Guruship.

Thank you and for all the wishes. same to you.

Mr.Galala, please check thread Steam Accumulator in Mechnical. Suggest me Ms Sheet Spec. for Steam Pressure Vessel 4 m dia x 8 m length , 10 bar .

Rgds

Dear Ducon,

Can you please provide me with thread Steam Accumulator in Mechanical, because I didn't found it.

But a preliminary design for a steam accumulator vessel based on Design Pressure 10 bar, Design Temp. 250 ^oC, Corrosion Allowance 3 mm, Radiography 10% (RT 3), Inside Dia. 4 m, and by using carbon steel material ASME SA516 Grade 70:

a. Shell Plate Thickness : 21 mm.

b. Ellipsoidal 2:1 Head Thickness : 21 mm (min.)

Note : The vessel wall thickness 21 mm can be minimized by reducing the inside diameter of the vessel.

Hello Abdel Halim Galala,

"Can you please provide me with thread Steam Accumulator in Mechanical, because I didn't found it."

If you need to Search for what you wanted, you could "Search all of CR4" in the Search Box, using "Steam Accumulator" as combined words in same order of a short phrase - same as Google or other Internet Search Engine.

So I've done that for you, gotten the results of all "Steam Accumulator" on CR4, and chosen the Topic Threads started by Ducon, so here it is, click on it:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/15632/Steam-Accumulators

Kind Regards....

Oh, Thank you Sparkstation,

Happy New Year & Merry Christmas

Thanks Sparkstation. I did not know how to do it so I copy pasted & emailed him.

(He has gone thru it and replied me.On mechanical designing & material standards & specification he is something).

Thanks

Thank you AHGalala. When it comes to material specifications & standards you really are a wiz..

The thread is there, I'll try to see how to provide you.

thanks

Congrats! Hardly unjustified from my observation.

If we would decount and substract off topic's and blabla answers there would be much less Guru's.

But after all, welcome in the club.

If we would decount and substract off topic's and blabla answers there would be much less Guru's.

Quality definitely matters more than quantity. Unfortunately there's no reliable way to measure the quality of a reply. Even if we use a voting system (as in the "good answer" feature), we ask mostly non-expert members to rate expertise. Oh well, as someone pointed out to me, the "Guru" title is mainly for fun.

Rodger Pink, Jorrie, Moose, Shyam, english rose, Rcapper

all old timers!

Of course! However, I sometimes find Shyam a little hard to follow. So I would have reservations about where his place should be on Sparky's mountain.

Instead of guruship (what a term!), let's just call it:

α: "Hi there, we're listening",

β: "Good to here from you again",

γ: "I wanta' here what you gotta' say",

δ: "I'm all ears!"

ε: "I humbly bow to your insights!",

ω: "Master, please teach me".

∞: Go find another forum, your antenna's broke!

BUT!!! the entertainment factor absolutely must be a prime requisite for membership in to the "higher order". For therein contains the seed that draws us all, newcomers and gurus alike, back for further punishment, and chastisement, by our peers.

Shyam can be hard to follow, he gets lost in translation frequently.

For entertainment

kris, del, vermin, plbmak, case, electroman, stinkypete, pwslack, brave sir robin, Blink, cr3, europium, gm1964......

there's more the whole place is filled w/crochetty old guys, who are quick w/a quip.

Erratum to #22:

I said "Are you listening JohnDG?"

I meant to say Mark, as in MGAULIN.

Sorry JohnDG

I think the "good answer" rating should have a definite impact upon "guruship".

You said "we ask mostly non-expert members to rate expertise". So what! If CR4 members believe it's a good answer then it definitely needs to count ...

JohnJohn, fair enough -- I agree with your point. The "good answer" rating, although not completely reliable, seems like the best option presently available for measuring the quality of a members contributions. It at least sounds like a more objective criterion than the total number of posts (which often include off-topic replies, as Gwen pointed out). My point, which was too narrow, referred to the paradox of non-experts trying to rate expertise. But as you explained, a good answer (even when not offering a definite solution) can get us thinking in productive directions. So I will vote your answer as a good one.

I think the "good answer" rating should have a definite impact upon "guruship".

I agree. I do not know how much tracking is done automatically (other than #of Posts) but if I could suggest a rating system it would use the following.

1. The Guru post counter should only be incremented once per day, instead of once per post. This would at least require all GURUS to have been here and posting 1+ years. (500 days)

2. Ideally the GOOD ANSWER # would be a factor, Say if you maintain at least a 1% (1 out of 100) then your GURU counter stays applicable.

3. Those that maintain a higher (say 5%) good answers, then they are allowed to increment their GURU counter twice per day, and so on.

4. Have a bar graph in Avatar that let's you know (Green decaying to yellow, decaying to red) as your good answer percentage falls, warning you to keep your posts relevant, and use them wisely.

5. Marking your own post off topic removes it from the 'percentage calculator" shown in #3-4 above- this allows the clever wit of some to be posted without them being penalized, allowing some of us to mark our own as off topic more often.

Using me as a rough example: 146 posts, posted on 105 (guess) different days.

My guru counter would equal 105, however since I only have 1 good out of 146 total posts, my correction factor is 0, thus my chances of being GURU are also 0. But if I had 5% good answers then my GURU counter would be 210 because my correction factor is 2.

I have been humbled numerous times on this site, and really do try to refrain from posting. Over the last 2 years I have also been educated, and entertained- thanks for all of it.

Don't refrain from posting (blimey, Kris & Del never do ), all contribution, even the otp ones help. This is inspiring me to actually get back on the boards. Since my Daily Digest stopped getting through (CL is sure it's being sent out correctly), and work got manic rather than busy, I've not got further than PMs. Trouble is, now I'm wasting my evenings on CR4...

Nice, little Malleus Maleficarum you came up with there. Just one question... Who died and made you Torquemada?

Sorry if my post offended you. I feel the titles should not imply knowledge level. I could achieve GURU before the end of this weekend, but in reality I would be no different than yourself- simply a "poster child"

From some of the things I've seen vermin shrug off in the short time I've been around, I doubt very much that you COULD offend the fuzz-ball. I haven't been able to, anyway...

Concur that if the titles imply knowledge level(s), then there would have to be a tie-in to the good answer rating, but I don't think that's how it was originally designed (not that I actually know anything about it, all guesswork). My take is that it's just mock respect for long-time adherents. I've often been called "guru" for no other reason than I was one of the 10% longest surviving members of a given group. Didn't mean I knew sugar from Shinola.

BTW, I LOVE your term "poster child"! Maybe that could become an official title for those who have 10K posts with 0 good answers...

"Please reread my post on what a "CR4 Guru" is."

My porcupine friend, after the first read I gave you a "good answer score".

I think you're absolutely right Gwen.

Perhaps a better idea might be to just do away with titles altogether.

The avatar info box could simply state "join date" (as it does now), along with number of good answers. In addition, members could vote on "entertainment value" which could also be posted in the avatar box.

I concur that within ridiculous posts are truly "diamonds in the rough" just waiting for some observant soul to pounce upon them and provide the rest of us with a glimpse of rare insight that otherwise would have gone un-noticed.

-John

I for one would rather be deemed something like 'non technical guru' of 'entertainment guru' or 'out of the box guru'.

I know so little about specific issues I feel it is a misnomer for me. However we (me and my ego) do like the recognition that comes with our sincere attempts to earn our keep.

As I continue to learn and glean and create as a result of participation I find it very gratifying to contribute that which I may offer to this wonderful community. Even if it is little more than a smile or the unorthodox response.

cr3

Not to worry CR3, I, for one, think you've earned your title!

Personally, I'd just like to have courage, a heart, or a brain.

Guru is more like seniority, than any qualitative rating.

Having the # of OTP listed below the good answers would be informative also.

But the title itself implies knowledge.

As Wiki states "In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning of "teacher." In Western usage, the meaning of guru has been extended to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an established school of philosophy or religion. In a further Western metaphorical extension, guru is used to refer to a person who has authority because of his or her perceived secular knowledge or skills".

So using the title as a yardstick of seniority is probably not the correct way to express it. Good answers, however, should go a long way toward "sitting on the mountain".

One thing that also MUST be considered is the particular topic being discussed! A poster may have the most beautiful insights into some thread topic but be somewhat ignorant in another. I know! The said poster should stick with his/her realm of expertise, but you know as well as I do, that ain't gonna' happen.

So, what do we do now?

The floor's open....

Hello Johnjohn,

"The floor's open...."

Please specify which floor is open.

There are various types of floor:

1. Sea
   
2. Wooden
3. Concrete
4. Numbered
5. Multi-level
6. Mezzanine
7. Pelvic
8. Top
9. Bottom

• And more.....

It would narrow the scope of discussion, if you can specify which floor is opening....and to where....

Thank you.

Kind Regards....

From the CR4 FAQ's

Member titles are a fun way to track user participation on the site. The more posts you submit to CR4, the higher you'll rise along the following scale:

• 0 - Browser
• 1 - 4 Participant
• 5 - 9 Member
• 10 - 24 Active Contributor
• 25 - 54 Associate
• 55 - 99 Commentator
• 100 - 499 Power-User
• 500 - 999999 Guru

Beyond that, we really don't know (and we're kind of scared...).

This would be the definition we are discussing.

CR4 is just like any other source of "information" consider the source

There are definite fresh insights to be had from the mouths of babes

sometimes I throw out some stupid, less than informed commentary, just to focus the discussion. other times I'm just trying to learn

So, what do we do now?

Clink on the members name, do a background check the proof is in the posts.

Personally I like the pelvic floor.

Nicely said.

Wrong place because I marked my last comment as "off-topic!" Oh, what the hell, I'm screwed!

Happy New Year!

Finally, the status of guru implies you have demonstrated your ability to play nicely and sanely with others. Any guru that allows themselves to be pulled into a flame war should be ashamed...

IETech may he rest in peace....................

I think the issue is just in the choice of words.

An improvement in the titles might be to use words that reflect how active or how long the person has been in CR4 like freshman, sophomore, junior or senior (shades of high school? ). The exact words used depends on the administrators of course.

The good answer score (GAS? ) should remain separate, IMHO. If you've been giving good answers, I think you should be recognized for it.

I, myself would vote for other titles... Rookie, Pundit, Royal wiper of the Guard, and Regal Butt-Head that Thinkest His Gas Does Not Stinkest.

I could go with that.

Your grades are too American...the terms need to have international instant understanding, which is what the Team have tried to with what's here I think.

Perhaps an alternative is fresher, undergrad, post grad, post doc, prof, chancellor, and finally "Just how much time do you spend here" and "Do you any work?". Seriously, these titles are a bit of fun, and vermin (pet) has covered the other relevant points.

(so sophomores are younger than juniors? See I'm confused already!)

"Royal Wiper" and "Do You Any Work?" seem to be excellent choices (tho' a bit idiomatic), but that's just an opinion, and y'all KNOW what those are like.

Your grades are too American...so sophomores are younger than juniors

They were just suggestions and, yes, generally speaking, sophomores (second year of college/high school) are younger than juniors (next to the last year of college/high school). Of course if the person happens to be a 30 year old who returns to college then it's a different thing.

^{Actually I had to recheck my dictionary to make sure...}

After reading and re-reading the posts here, I think I would be in favor of granting titles based on the ratio of good answers to posts. Then the title of "Guru" would be more appropriate.

& what should that ratio be? 100:1 would be steep. Would anyone except csm engineer, sparkstation & steve s qualify?

Well, what would motivate you to give good answers?

You can post and post, offering just conversation or wise-cracks without really answering questions. Your posting score increases and all it means is that you're very active.

CSM engineer, sparkstation, steve s, and dell are exceptional and should be models to follow.

In one forum for computers I visited once (experts-exhange), they had a team of experts. If you join, you can become one of their "problem solvers". People bring problems to them and whoever gives the best solution gets awarded points by the questioner. As far as I can tell, the number of posts have nothing to do with their ratings.

Now, that's how they do it but we don't have to copy. If you want to become a Guru, then give good answers. If you don't care for titles and such, then just post. If you get a good answer score then fine.

Just my 2¢.

IMHO, those that gots good answers never withhold them! First, the good answers are given, then OTP may occur. However, I've never seen it happen the other way round.

uH Dell would not qualify his rate is more like 200:1

& would good answers on a non-technical question count? [such as this one]

CR4 is like any other source of info Consider the source!

I could care less what you call me as long as it's not late for supper!

Hear! Hear! Very good answer vermin (BTW, I voted it so).

"If it ain't broke..." And it certainly isn't in MO.

Are you listening ducon? See what a spiraling hell hole you've led us down?

Just kidding ducon, it's been an interesting discussion.

Again, I have to raise the point that I have never seen a serious and complex question go immediately unanswered by a real expert.

Yes there are comedic answers and OTP answers, but these only appear after the question has been well answered by experts!!! So the credo and purpose of CR4 is always well upheld!!!

agreed. And inevitably if some horses ass such as myself gives inaccurate info it is quickly rebutted and corrected.

Congratulation! Please don't make so many GURUs. Guru-500+ and MahaGuru- 5000+.

Kris by Jan 2008 will cross 5000 followed by Del in February 2008

Which reminds me, you haven't crawled through the Spank-O-Tron yet!!! There are formalities that must be observed by a new guru!!!

Now here's a thought for those who are new to CR4

Write your ideas Re "Guruship" into this Forum Thread, and other Topics and Blogs too.

All ideas are interesting, providing kept within CR4 Rules, please click on the blue link below:

Are there specific rules for posting?

Some Members and Guests are more interested in certain subjects, others like a "wider scope for discussion".

That small effort of sharing your ideas, will grant you an extra click on your Posts Counter

When you have 500 effective Posts clocked up, added a pinch of humour, soothed ruffled feathers, not flamed or , and generally been kind and helpful to others, you wait with bated breath, and somewhere in the CR4 Software gears things happen, and you find your Member Title automatically gets the Guru description.

That of course, is not the time to sit on one's laurels or decide to take a tropical island holiday

The noble Title of Guru bringeth greater responsibility to add a bit of along with some and more assistance to those needing it.

Just my thoughts, and of course I get another click on my , so could you, if you reply.....

Kind Regards....

Kudos for the graphics, but several negative for placement. Might I recommend a small book called "Guerrilla Graphic Arts." It's a quick and easy way to learn the most important dos-and-don'ts of the graphics world.

Hello vermin,

Thank you for your considered advice.

I place graphics where they look OK on my Monitor at the actual resolution I am presently using.

I have not used a selection of Monitor sizes and resolutions to check the finished Post.

It does also depend on one's Graphics Card, as well as the actual web Browser used, and the further text size plus other settings in that Browser.

Then the CR4 Forum Editor Box alters things once again....where will all this altering stop....

The only way which things would not alter once the Post leaves my Computer here, far away, is to put the Post Entry in an "Adobe Acrobat/Reader" Format, or similar Portable Document Format.

There are two immediate problems with that:

1. Not all use such utility Applications
2. CR4 Forum Software does not allow the usage of such Formats.

However, never let it be said that I'm ungracious, perish the thought, nay, please do not contemplate such a horrible idea.

So...I am always willing to learn new ideas, try and eliminate "negative placement", and modify my erstwhile apparent bad habits.

Letter follows:

Dear vermin,

It is soon my Birthday, and if you send my 2008 gift, as the book: "Guerrilla Graphic Arts.", then I shall be truly grateful.

Please PM me for my address, to which you may Post my Birthday Gift.

Thanks ever so, and the gift will be acknowledged here at CR4 Forum, on its safe arrival.

Yours Sincerely

SparkY

Kind Regards....

The check is in my mouth.

I like it! Great concept - if I hadn't been involved in a similar "ring forum" some years ago, I'd have been confused when I first found this place. A brief intro like that might be more than useful for some folks.

At least this topic has served its purpose in exposing the blue-noses!!!

This thread is overlapping considerably with this thread.

The below is my reply to one of Blink's posts...
Now seeing as 'Good answers' are being given away like confetti on this thread...maybe Me 'n Ken deserve some too? , pretty please..I dun a pretty link thingy too...

"Ah yes... exactly...what we need is a drivel quality measurement system (DQMS).
Then we should factor in a brevity quotient (BrevQuot).

Another problem is guests who thank one personally but don't rate the good answer. Like this brief thread, so... maybe compulsory tracking down of guests and force them to rate the answers by showing them endless repeats of 'I Love Lucy'?

Anyhow gota go before I blow up the DQMS and exceed my BrevQuot"

Del

So far no-one has even mentioned that other stable of CR4 life - use of correct English grammar and the correcting of punctuation mistakes.

Whilst I realise that the non-native English speakers would be at a disadvantage...PMSL, that's nonsense - at least half of them write better English than us native speakers...it would provide an education point to those who wish to improve their use of what is rapidly becoming the modern day lingua franca.

And STL and I could have a great time...