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GMT and International Date Line

01/28/2009 5:09 PM

My Grandson just ask me :- Why do the 0° line pass through Greenwich?

I told him (on the spur of the moment) :- Because the 180° line (International date line) is about the only line that do not go through a Continent. the line however zig-zag between the islands to keep island groups on the same date.

Was it a consideration?

Imagine the confusion. Person A walks on Sunday to his work on Monday and passes his neighbour conning from Monday to church on Sunday.

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01/28/2009 7:03 PM

The Prime Meridian has been relocated all over the map at various times. In 1884 25 nations voted on the current resting place. France wanted Paris, I think, but 22 nations voted for the Geenwich observatory in England and that's how it became to be.

Here is a little history. I don't think they gave much thought to 180° point, but maybe they did.

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01/28/2009 10:07 PM

I have a map of Europe either made in France in the days of Napoleon or a reproduction thereof, and it shows the 0 degree Prime Meridian running right through Paris... Don't know if any one else signed up to that, even briefly.

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01/28/2009 7:23 PM

They didn't think too much about it at the time.

But even with that tale you told, you got the part about the 180 correct. It was routed around so people wouldn't have two time zones on a tiny island. Also so islands in the same rough political sphere would have the same time, but that starts to sound imperialistic.

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01/28/2009 9:58 PM

The Brits have always insisted that they're ahead of our time, so that's where they put it.

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01/28/2009 11:03 PM

And They had the best/most charts...

sun never sets yadayadayada.

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01/29/2009 2:59 AM

Yeah, it really pisses me off whe we go to places like Italy and you just can't buy a decent map .
The ordnance survey do a great job in th UK.
(BTW I like a nice big map so I can sit on it when hoomans are trying to read it)

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01/29/2009 3:33 AM

Yes but in reality, we're ahead of them cos they need 12 hours to wake up and catch up!

- and it is nearly Friday already.

I bet Del is the first to respond!

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01/29/2009 9:39 AM

Sorry, Del's still asleep.

Cats sleep 22 out of 24 hours, so that gives the Brit cats 11 hours to wake up, 2 hours to use the map cat box and catch small rodents or whatever, and 11 hours to sleep in preparation for the 11 hours to wake up the next day.

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01/29/2009 10:43 AM

Maybe...but I do have one eye open

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01/30/2009 1:45 AM

....I nearly said something naughty......

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01/29/2009 10:05 AM

<Why do the 0° line pass through Greenwich?>

Protocol. Check out the articles in Wikipedia on this topic.

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Some of us were sacrificed, just to keep Paris in a different hemisphere to the central London.

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Because the Royal Observatory was already there near a former royal palace. The transit, an instrument used to determine midday according to the sun's position was built here and defined the meridian for the Admiralty. How this came to be adopted internationally is spelt out in the website already referred to.

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01/29/2009 11:05 AM

Greenwich was chosen for 0° meridian primarily because by the time the issue was settled everyone was sick and tired of the whole mess and wanted to go home. Besides, Greenwich is easy to say: GREN-itch. Straightforward, simple. It wasn't anyone's first choice, of course, but when you're tired and ready for bed it is the kind of thing you think up so that you leave the discussion with the idea of having accomplished something.

Now as everyone who has ever visited the place knows, Greenwich is kind of a hum-drum place where not much is going on. There's an observatory there, and a pub, but not many in the pub know about the observatory, nor do those who do care one whit. Not when there's good Guinness to be had. Other places were considered, of course.

One of them was Chipshop. Most folks have heard of the Great British Chipshop, but not everyone knows there's a village in Cornwall that's called Chipshop. It has a chipshop too, but it isn't called the Chipshop. It's the village pub that's called the Chipshop.

And, of course, there's a village called Crank. Someone suggested putting the Prime Meridian there. They didn't, of course, because Crank doesn't have a pub. You have to go to Chipshop for that.

Further down the list of candidates we have Boot, Fryup, Overend and Dull.

Dull Mean Time? Definitely not.

How about Crackpot in Yorkshire Dales? There's a sign along B6270 pointing down a side road, but don't blink because you'll miss it. They nixed that one because for astronomers the name is a bit too close to home, so to speak.

Still others were considered: Bethlehem, Palestine, Dallas and California. All of these are in the UK, but you'd never know it. How about Keith, Trevor, Wendy, Homer, Arabella and Mavis Grind, who sounds like she'd be worth knowing.

They sampled Beer in Somerset, saw Bedlam in North Yorkshire, nearly went to Brawl in the Highlands, greeted Farewell in Staffordshire, stayed at Lover in Wiltshire, considered More in Shropshire and took a long wanton look at Twatt in Orkney.

There was Bumble's Green, Pig Oak, Goosey and Drunkard's Bottom. Though it did include Drinker's End in Worcestershire. By the end of the affair most folks simply wanted to go to Retire in Cornwall but it was too far away.

Just tack on "Mean Time" to any of these place names and you can sort of understand why they settled on Greenwich.

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01/29/2009 1:56 PM

Did they ever consider Bath? Of course, Kris hadn't started his thread then, so I would see why not. But Bath Mean Time does sound hygienic.

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01/29/2009 2:56 PM

I'm pretty sure they considered Bath but some probably felt that such a choice might serve to advertise the fact that most of their astronomical staff needed one (I've worked closely with a few myself and so the selection committee has my full sympathies in this regard).

No one asked me, of course, but had I been there I would have suggested simply that they fill the damn thing with a good draught and be done with it.

Insofar as Kris' bath goes, remember that he demolished the thing, possibly in rebellion against the very concept itself. Moreover, Kris is a squirrel, and from where I sit squirrels in baths most definitely do not conjure forth images of hygiene. For all I know he may have even kept his nuts acorns there.

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01/30/2009 6:16 AM

It's a shame that Nempnett Thrubwell, Shellow Bowells, Ugley, Six Mile Bottom and Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch were out of the running. The World would have been a more wonderful place....

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"Llan.....goch"

One old Welsh family in Llandovery is very proud of its pedigree that covers five large skins of parchment. In the middle of the third page is a note in the margin: "About this time the world was created."

You'd think someone in their line would have come up with something like the Prime Meridian in all this time, pre-empting us all. Then again, we're talking Welsh.

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If only they'd prefaced it with, "I have discovered a marvelous proof that......"

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.....and substituted the word 'world' with the word 'small bronze disk'?

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This one's way off-topic, so please bear with me.

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Dylan Williams from Caernarfon was selling herrings. It was soon after World War II.

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"My goodness," said Mrs. Davies "They are expensive and so thin."

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One morning when Ianto Jones was walking to the post office in Llandudno he met a Russian tourist.

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"Dai the milk?"

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"Dai the bread?"

"No," said the tourist and he whispered into Ianto's ear, "The sun shines brightly over the meadow."

"Oh, you mean Dai the spy. He's over there, in the pub."

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An English politician was giving a speech in Aberystwyth. He said,

"I was born an Englishman. I have been an Englishman all my life, and I will die an Englishman!"

"What's wrong boyo?" shouted a voice from the crowd." Got no ambition, have you?"

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A posh English gentleman came into a pub in Llandudno. He asked,

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"Are you walking or going by car?"

The Englishman answered, "By car, of course"

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Three men are sitting in the maternity ward. One is an Englishman, one a Welshman and the other a Jamaican. Suddenly the doctor comes and says,

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Rhys Parry, a taxi driver, was taking an American tourist from Bristol to Cardiff. When they were going over the Severn Bridge, the American told Rhys that he had a longer bridge on his ranch in Texas. When they arrived in Cardiff, Rhys showed the tourist Cardiff Castle. The American said that his garage in Texas was twice as big and only took a week to build. When the tourist spotted the Millennium Stadium, he asked Rhys what it was.

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It's a funny old world.....the London 'eye', and the Dome were only intended to be temporary, but are still there. The Channel Tunnel was supposed to last a reasonable time, but the falling pound has made it possible that sufficient Frenchmen will travel to make plan B worthwhile. Ironically, Jules Verne's son, Michel, is credited with being first to propose a London to New York tunnel. Should we adjust the German/French ratio trigger point, as advance thanks for plan D ?

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Awarding 10 GA's is unfortunately unethical so I awarded just a single measly one.

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It's a good job it wasn't centred on Twatt, really.

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01/29/2009 11:08 PM

Probably one of the (most) influential reason is Brits ruled half the globe once upon a time

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Don't give the Chinese any ideas. They might come by night and steal the Prime Meridian.

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I believe that as large as China is, they do not have any time zones. Everyone works on Beijing time. I was told this a couple of years ago when I was over there.

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Flilthy Yankee plopaganda...check here

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Had Cornwall had a choice for location of the meridian I'm sure it would have been Feock

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Dallas was chosen briefly when one of the committee members had stepped out to use the loo. When he came back and was told about it, he exclaimed, "Ah! So the Prime Meridian is located just west of Fort Worth in Dallas?"

"No, Dallas is about 2000 feet south of highway B9010, in Scotland."

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01/30/2009 5:03 AM

The Prime Meridian really had nothing to do with with setting the standard time. It was an arbitrary datum point arbitrarilly set in concrete using arbitrary positioning by the Royal Geographic Society probably while celebrating the new shipment of Jamaican rum.

It was Sandford Fleming who:Inventor of standard time (from Wiki)

After missing a train in 1876 in Ireland because its printed schedule listed p.m. instead of a.m., he proposed a single 24-hour clock for the entire world, located at the centre of the Earth and not linked to any surface meridian. At a meeting of the Royal Canadian Institute on February 8, 1879 he linked it to the anti-meridian of Greenwich (now 180°). He suggested that standard time zones could be used locally, but they were subordinate to his single world time. He continued to promote his system at major international conferences, including the International Meridian Conference of 1884. That conference accepted a different version of Universal Time, but refused to accept his zones, stating that they were a local issue outside its purview. Nevertheless, by 1929 all of the major countries of the world had accepted time zones.

Had the prime meridian been set, say, in Dildo Gander, Newfoundland, the resultant discrepancies would have been reduced.

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I had two birthdays on 2 consecutive days while serving on HMS Puma in 1967 as we sailed from west to east across the international date line as you get twice the same day.......to stop you being a day ahead, just as in "80 days around the world"!!!

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So if Puma had turned about and sailed the other direction would you have been the inspiration for "Back to the Future?"

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...of course!!!

....but not as good looking though!!

It was actually 1968 I have since recalled!!! Only one year out!!

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By the way, Boston is also on the 0° Meridian.

Boston Lincolnshire at least!!!!

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....but not as good looking though!!

As good-looking as whom?

Is this the Real Reason for your hiding out in Germany or have you simply had enough of those nosey Yankee tourists poking about your Flux Capacitor?

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YUP!!

Have you ever been poked in the flux capacitor, (been "Fluxed"?!) Its quite painful!!

All I can say to you is " Flux off!"....

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"All I can say to you is "Flux off!"...."

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Luxury yacht or 50's greasepit?

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Royal Navy......Grey Funnel Line!!

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RCN. Our older lovingly referred to as greasepits.

Luxury yachts now. Menus, gymnasium....

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An intriguing bit of trivia- among the other social changes implemented my Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, he has dictated that Venezuela will have it's own private time zone, about 1/2 hour off from everyone else in the neighborhood. It is not absolutely clear why he feels it is necessary to control time, since he controls nearly everything else in the country...

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He has no imagination whatsoever. If he'd given it some thought, he'd have:

  • Made the offset a prime number. Say, 17, to really piss everyone else off.
  • Confiscated all the clocks.
  • Replaced the clocks with ones having an 8-hour day (not 24), but keep the 7-day work week as is. This will convince the rest of the world that Hugo is now keeping standard workday hours like everyone else (bless his heart) whilst really forcing everyone to work until they drop dead. What are dictators for, anyway?
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What are dictators for, anyway?

I've got a dictaphone, though dictators might be useful for 'chipping'

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I've got a dictaphone.

I use my fingers!

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Fingers? What fingers? You're a cat!

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02/02/2009 12:59 PM

Drat... I invoke the sanity claws!

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02/02/2009 8:08 PM

I thought cats got humans to do their typing for them, unless they learned to use their tails.

Why would a cat need to type anything anyway? All they do is eat, sleep, play with string, use the litter box, and make kittens who will spend their lives eating, sleeping, playing with string, using the litter box and making kittens.

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02/03/2009 3:40 AM

That's sound reasoning about cats being lazy, but maybe the like to play with the mice.....

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02/03/2009 3:45 AM

You know furpectly well what I mean........

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02/03/2009 4:35 AM

RAOFPMSL

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02/13/2009 1:46 PM

Its not quite a Greenwich Meridian post, but I thought you might have a laugh.

When I first moved to Germany, I used to listen to BFBS Radio and one day they had a new female (Blonde?) newsreader.

They always give the Greenwich mean time (GMT) first as well.

She read out " Its 8 o'Clock Greenwich."

"Mean Time here`s the news!"

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02/13/2009 1:47 PM

LOL

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04/22/2009 8:39 AM

please up load number of countries and their through which

equator passess

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04/22/2009 10:22 AM

Why don't you get a map and do it yourself?

What has this got to do with this blog, by the way?

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