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Vintage Mechanical Distance Measurements

07/10/2009 8:27 AM

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I am trying to identify this device. It is approximately 3.5 inches in diameter, and 1.5 inches thick. Very well made in England, has a model No. 3169, no manufacturers name, and it has a leather, velvet, and padded satin lined case. The dial reads in feet (0-100 feet) with a smaller dial (100-1000 feet). It is activated by a breeze through the Aluminum blades. Just a slight breeze will spin the blades and the gauge registers. When I say slight breeze, I can place it on a table 3-4 feet away, and blow with very little effort and the vanes spin. There is a lever to stop the reading needle, but the blade will continue to spin. This slight breeze will register 100 feet in about 30 seconds. It has a handle on top, and a flat on the bottom so it is most likely hand held in one place? It would seem that it cannot be used out of doors because the wind would distort any accurate reading. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Thank you..

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Re: Distance Measurement vintage mechanical

07/10/2009 9:02 AM

Device for measuring air movement volume or wind speed.

It does not have a rudder to keep it in the right direction so it could have been used in a tunnel, mine or air duct.

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07/10/2009 9:08 AM

For walking off distance in a bore tunnel, mine shaft? It might prove useful for when centerline measurements are needed in a curved or angled space. It sounds accurate enough. It could give a ventilation index as well. (Most likely)

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07/10/2009 10:19 AM

I'd assume it's someting used in HVAC industry, but not recently

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07/10/2009 10:41 AM

We thought of that, but didn't understand why it measured just feet, not feet/second or minute, although now that you mention HVAC I suppose with a watch you could time it for say a minute and then shut of the gauge lever, and you'd have a flow rate to use in a vent pipe say?

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07/10/2009 10:22 AM

I like the thought of a mine shaft, or tunnel but don't know if wind would influence the reading? The centerline measurement for a curved tunnel sounds good too. No, there is not a rudder of any sort.

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07/10/2009 12:39 PM

Hi popcornwizard,

I found this:

Rotating Vane Anemometer By Negretti & Zambra London. This is a 3-inch rotating vane, Birmingham type Anemometer, in which the dials and flat vanes are on the same plane. This hand held instrument was made of brass by the famous scientific instrument makers, Negretti & Zambra in London, with serial number N1552. It was used for measuring wind force and velocity. The scale, graduated to 1000 ft., indicates the number of linear feet of air that have passed the instrument during its exposure time. The instrument comes in its original red felt lined hide case. Enrico Angelo Lodovico Negretti (1817-1879) was an Italian optician born at Como and immigrated to London in 1829. He and Joseph Warren Zambra (d. 1877) become partners from 1850 as Negretti & Zambra. The company manufactured scientific instruments at different locations in London beginning in 1850 and continued to the mid-20th century.

Looks like the same as wot you got !

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07/10/2009 1:04 PM

Thank you, you are a genius!

Thank you to all, what a great site I've joined today! I've got more mysteries to post soon.

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07/10/2009 2:32 PM

No, not a genius; I've just gotten fairly creative doing internet searches, due to having the need and/or the desire to obtain obscure information, both useful and irrelevant.

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07/10/2009 11:43 PM

Would you share with us the secrets of your prowess with internet searches?

Possibly just under a title like, "How to do great internet searches."

You really did a great job there. GA from me if that makes any incentive to share your secrets.

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07/11/2009 12:26 AM

Hi Transcendian,

Thanks for the encouragement! You brought up a very good point - that maybe there needs to be some "how to" teaching in reference to searching the web. Maybe a mini-blog? I've started thinking about a format...

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07/11/2009 2:07 AM

I for one, look forward to it.

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07/10/2009 11:37 PM

It is an ANEMOMETER for measuring air velocity in feet per minute. A very good instrument and worth it's weight in gold to anybody connected to the airconditioning trade.

Guard it with your life

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07/11/2009 12:42 AM

Wow !! I can see the value of this meter for measuring and understanding large volume low velocity air flow patterns in open spaces inside buildings. Quite a discovery.

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Re: Vintage Mechanical Distance Measurements

07/11/2009 2:38 AM

Hello sir :

ur device have a wings so that device convert the velocity of air to linear displacement in pointer so that divce are mostly used in wind power plant to ensure the velocity of wind

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07/11/2009 5:06 AM

Hi Popcornwizard, Phil is on the money. In the HVAC industry the modern electrinic units give a reading in velocity. In the past we used the good old stop watch in conjunction with it. (When man could still do sums) If a constant airflow moved through a duct, readings would be taken from the Center and the edge, corner etc of the duct and then a formula applied to calculate the volume of air. Temperature and pressure can also be added to calculate the actual mass of air being moved. You need all that to be able to confirm your cooling / heating capacity et al.

The unit u have is realy beautiful and a definite keeper.

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07/11/2009 5:22 AM

Sorry Mike, left you out there, not intentional, great pics from your search.

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07/13/2009 6:04 PM

No worries, mate!

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07/11/2009 10:42 AM

Those that said "It is an ANEMOMETER" are correct. Bendix used to make the exact same model, but would have the name on the faceplate, so I assume this same model was made by several vendors. Aside from HVAC and general windspeed tasks, it is also used to measure air face velocity in chemical fume hoods.

Yes, it reads in feet, because it does not have a timing device. So, if you zero it, time it for 1 minute in the airstream and note the reading, you will have feet/minute.

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07/13/2009 9:13 AM

It would seem to be a velometer measuring distance/time. You pick the time. If the pointer is active for one minute and indexes to 300 feet the velocity would be 300 feet/minute, etc.

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07/13/2009 1:08 PM

WOW! What a handsome device! The art of fine instruments seems to have died away... and what a shame. The modern devices are stainless, cold, uninteresting... built simply with strict utility in mind.

An interesting site offering similar items for sale: http://www.scientificcollectables.com

Thanks for bringing it over for a look.

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