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Where you thinking of a consumer product or product that manufacturing could use in a process ? Did you all start in the trades and then got into engineering/production ?

How about conserving energy in domestic and industrial use?.

Yes I have something that will BLOW YOU MIND ! I am a disabled veteran & a renewable energy researcher of over 40 years and have come up with a plan that is well out of the box thinking ! Most people don't understand that when the best of wind and solar thermals are combined with other naturals and 6 man made thermals in 1 structure that is a on demand power plant with 5 sizes structures. This is not what is thought of componets of renewable energy assyembley. Cold flash freezers, Hydraulic systems and hot air bloon materail, 6'' water pipe as a skilleton and storage of the hydraulic oils. Hint, Think thermals in a tall structure with a glass umbrallia around the base up off the ground.

The system is called RENEWABLE (THERMAL)=WIND POWER THE ENERGY POWER SOURCE.

On demand power without battery storeage cost, smaller plants for better local use without long lines to where needed. Urban developements basic needs electric power and drinking water.

I challenage all that are interested in the enverioment and renewable energy to get the facts and jion with me to get this system built.

contact kennynabb6@win.net

Kenny,

Like this one in Spain?

Jon

Hello all

Yes this is what is known in physsic as the stove pipe theroy. great to see that knowledge is not blind to their world. Now put it to a test of mechanices terms. a cone shape is whats known as a large space's area'scramed into a smaller space and heated the air that passes through it moves faster with the solar thermals what is happing to the air speed that is at the smaller end?

Basic's hot air moves faster in this systems it's thought of as thermal induced vacum updrafts.

try a simple pratice, take a large cone shape & place the small end at a small yard art spinner that is normaly spining and whatch how much faster it spins.

Other things that go into this plan is known as a tornado vortex, atmoshperic covection and a solar thermal covenction system.

Now it's up to all readers to help get the word out about this important and needed system for the betterment of all.

Over the last 6 years most states goverments and some 3rd world countries have received this information to include the DOE and International Enveriomental Orgs. many can't read and understand what they read nor do they want to.

Thats why I came to this site for engineers hoping that most people here being open minded can see the facts in the real world's knowledge base for that reasons to prove it or not.

I can travel to any coummunity's for a open round table diss. with this important systems that can make a real world differance and cost less to repower most closed steam plants useing most of the infurstructure and structure base.

For some in the box thinkers it seem like if it hasn't been done before then some one will do it. Ya. well all the interesting things & developments got started with this approch, Right.

It's the combinations that is not the question of working but rather what is the vessial in which order fo placement of the known techs in that chamber, all techs that make up it's inner workings have been proven in their own and has been well docoumented.

Remembering it's the HOW TO. not if it works ! it's placement ! or how many and of what techs.

Now to make it possible it takes good thinkers outside the box of normal ways of thinking and go back to basic jr high 1969. Knowledge base.

All things that make up this systems were their in sceince class for thoese that liked and can remember the basices that were thought then add the new computer abbliaties programs.

I thank all who have replied to my remarks and say thanks and charge all to help spread the word that there is a better way, that is less costly.

Any mail must be in ref to RENEWABLE ENERGY if not it will not get past the spam filter.

I have had so many replies from this site and others like we can solve it.org and repower America it overwhilmed my server's spam filter's capacty.

When replying to all who have commented on this thanks and I am sorry that I haven't replyed to your ind. but remember that I am a disabled vet. Give me time and I will address all who wants a reply.

I have two ideas:

One, for chemical engineers: A hormone or chemical that could be applied to grass at the beginning of the mowing season and stop it from growing. Not kill it, just stop it from growing. Saves a lot of gas, etc. for mowing.

For electronic or electrical engineers: Very basic yet high end consumer electronics. Most of us don't use nearly half the bells and whistles that come on such things as DVD players, TV's, phones, stereo systems, etc. Way too complicated to operate, too many complicated functions and features and they have thick manuals that no one can comprehend. Why not make devices with high end performance specifications, yet very basic controls. And while you are at it, bring back the rotary knob volume controls and tuners. I hate pushing a button and holding it to adjust the volume. I think there is a big niche market for simple yet high end devices.

Also how about a full size cordless home vacuum cleaner.

Hello jimmymac28,

Sorry if I got your name wrong, I have problems with q, g, j, next to an i or l.

Trying to help others and yourselves, sounds like a good idea! With so many Engineers working together and 'fully qualified at that! I wish you luck!

I have in mind a completely new door/door closure system for a dwelling, which still leaves the place safe from nasty people, but, does not need keys.

I am really thinking of a new door which has some sort of locking system that is perhaps not just on one edge?

Good luck to you all and please keep in touch with any new or 'twists' on already existing items.

How about a bicycle tire that's easy to change?

How about a travelling coffee cup that doesn't spill or leak when dropped?

How about a beach chair that survives more than one or two summers?

How about a do-it-yourself car sheet metal ding remover that really works?

If you are thinking of the inner tube, I got that one, Ky.

Actually was thinking of the outer tyre/tire......the inner tube is easy once the outer one is off.

Sorry BobS, I should have been more precise. I meant taking the inner tube out and not having to remove the wheel or the tire from the rim. The tire is a different thing, I would say impossible to do but you never know what some people can come up with, Ky.

Actually Rob, a sheet metal ding remover that really works would be a slapper.

Works a treat!

But, like English Wheels, fly presses and such, slappers are not really well known outside of a professional body shop. Pity considering the xxxx that they sell in the big box stores for do it yourselfers.

Hello Yusef1,

Hope you are fine?

With reference to the mentioned "slapper", see the few links below:

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Fascinating stuff!

The shoulder on interstates could be one long solar panel which could power electric cars. The interstate could have a slot which the car could tap into while driving. With todays computer controls this shouldn't be too difficult.

The shoulder you indicated is also known as the emergency lane and is most often where traveling debris settles; a combination of rubber bits, dirt combined with oil and other crud, bolts, tire casings and broken vehicles that leak or burn-up.

Seems a prohibitive location for PV cells at best...

yes but...

the solar panels just need to be raised above 13 feet and the land is already paid for, available, and typically has power corridors nearby... so its a nexus of possibility allowing easy access to the grid, so it has great potential for development if we so choose..

dust is an issue, but better if raised. it is still a good idea. If they were tilted away from the roadway slightly, I think the would fare well, but still be highly accessible for maintenance and cleaning. I think there is more to commend this idea than detract... of course they wouldn't be everywhere, but they could be frequent... you can also use the underside for advertising, and also they would make pretty good sidewalk covers... lots of possibilities.

Chris

ps.. I'm giving Guest a GA.

Better to raise above 17 feet, yes the idea is credible

Hey y'all such generosity is indeed uncommon.

An COGEN suitable for single family dwelling uses may be worthwhile...ya think.

Hello all

yes it is the need that drive creative actions!

the Renewable thermal wind system has some limintes of workiablitily size, It would be most fitting for more that 10 homes supply of p[ower! A smaller unite will not work from the PHYSSICS stand point and ecconmice of construction cost feaseibility.

A lot of the suggestions will help the world, but I get the sense that your group are retired and looking for a project that you can have some fun with.

If you are looking for a project to have some fun with try building a vehicle that will break the land speed record for a flat head V8 engine.

It won't save the world, but you will have some challenges, spend a bunch of money. There is nothing like a couple of weeks on the great salt flat for bonding.

For a primer go see "The world's fastest Indian".

If you're interested in land speed racing check out:

http://www.scta-bni.org/

There are many classes for flathead engine powered cars. The fastest flathead record record in the book is Ron Main's Flatfire at 302.674 mph set in August, 2003 at Bonneville. That one is a bit ambitious. The word on this is that Ron had over a half million dollars invested in that car and it's engine.

But there are some fairly "soft" flathead records in some body classes. The Modified pickup flathead record is 96.3 mph set in 2005. And I'd be willing to bet that the guys who set that record had more fun than Ron Main did.

BTW, Bonneville Speedweek starts Saturday Aug 8 this year.

Also other land speed racing events take place various times of the year at El Mirage in southern California, Maxton North Carolina, The Texas Mile near Beeville Texas and a new location in Northern Maine as well as at Bonneville. There is a considerable subculture of amateur racers and their respective clubs and associations involved in this sport. It's one of the last vestiges of old time hot rod racing that a lot of us grew up with.

Ed Weldon

Hi Ed, (GA)

I like the idea of monitoring stove use. perhaps just a different type of stove switch, more like an accurate spring driven egg timer, that shuts off automatically at the designated countdown time. (turn to desired time duration, to start process.)

I think other related applications could be used, like having the stove/pots be able to detect and shut off on 'boil over' or other excessive heat situations..like you said.

for other applications, you can use thermal image cameras to monitor heat blooms in your house (fire)

but still I think the egg timer approach works for most equipment... prevention is better than reaction.

Chris

On second thought... current stoves (at least electrics) have an oven enable switch which allows you to choose "Bake" or "Broil" (top and/or bottom elements) so I guess the timer would have to be incorporated into this setup, as you wouldn't want to have 3 dials to turn... just have it so that you pick a duration on the same dial as 'bake', and another timer on the broil side.. temperature is a separate setting.. and is just a setpoint for the thermostat.

Chris

Hello Ed,

Really like your idea about the gripper pick up things!

GA to you Sir.

wow! great answer ed.

I guess with us aging babyboomers there must be a growing demand for this stuff. I remember just last year, trying to get a "dumb" computer for old folks. Not available!!

You are I think 'on the money' with what we are thinking Ed.

The grandious ideas are great, but we will leave them to the younger folks to develop. We dont have the time, and we prefer to avoid having to deal with government agencies or regulatory bodies.

We want to simply design and build

keep the ideas coming!! I will use all this material as part of our first meeting.

Ok then, focus on designing add-ons to existing products or processes.

Example: Add a means of maintaining the valve stem hole orientation of a wheel rim as it queues up against its downstream rim on a power roller conveyor. Each roller is powered, but PVC sleeves (free to rotate independently of roller) surround each.

Currently, robots install normal valves from a bowl feeder, based on rim orientation info from a vision system. Human valve installers were added downstream of robot after Tire Pressure Monitoring valves were required. Can't do that yet with a robot.

When < 20" rims (the most common) queue up against each other they start to rotate (conveyor is wide enough to accomodate 16-20" rims) such that valve stem hole is difficult for stem installation by human.

Interested in finding a solution ?

Nice one Ed - and we're a growing market.

Ed,

My stove has a bunch of automatic functions for timing operations. It has indicators to show when there is still heat after turning it off.

My AOL automatically goes to sleep mode after a certain time too.

The Jimmymac28 gang could reach out and grab some of the stuff like that and combine it the way the Japanese gathered so many items that we patented and combined them by out of the box thinking.

Especially things that would aid us elderly folks.

Your example of the storekeeper and picking pole can get a box off the high shelf or the best apples off a tree.

Jon

I really like the oven idea. On at least two occasions over the years I (or a guest) have left a teflon coated pan, empty, on a live burner. The fumes released from burning teflon are extremely toxic. We were lucky to have caught it in time and were able to air out the kitchen quickly. A smoke/toxic fume detector over the stove that would sound an audible alarm, which if not manually disabled every 30 seconds (by idiots like me who can't broil a steak without setting them off) would remove power/gas from the stove would be a great invention.

Hello stevem,

I really like the oven idea. On at least two occasions over the years I (or a guest) have left a teflon coated pan, empty, on a live burner. The fumes released from burning teflon are extremely toxic. We were lucky to have caught it in time and were able to air out the kitchen quickly. A smoke/toxic fume detector over the stove that would sound an audible alarm, which if not manually disabled every 30 seconds (by idiots like me who can't broil a steak without setting them off) would remove power/gas from the stove would be a great invention.

Sounds like you may be onto something there? I have been there as well. Does kinda smell doesn't it?

Uncle Sam has a list of wanted technologies for development. I don't know the website. Maybe search government?

How about a small scale (25 - 50 kw) low cost (under $25k US) Concentrating Solar Stirling engine powered generating/refrigeration system that any homeowner could purchase in a kit to assemble and install in their own back yard to provide energy for their use and supply excess energy to the grid. This would supply more than the average home would need and feeding the excess energy to the grid would help ease the load on the current overloaded/outdated grid.

Hi Guest,

How about a small scale (25 - 50 kw) low cost (under $25k US) Concentrating Solar Stirling engine powered generating/refrigeration system that any homeowner could purchase in a kit to assemble and install in their own back yard to provide energy for their use and supply excess energy to the grid. This would supply more than the average home would need and feeding the excess energy to the grid would help ease the load on the current overloaded/outdated grid.

Your idea has a few 'faults' that I can see.

1) there is not many people who can afford $25,000 on a DIY kit which they may or may not get to work and which saves them money?

2) Why would anyone want to pay for 'more power than is necessary'?

3) This invention would need several differing 'Engineering Skills', which most people no not have.

4) This could also be too dangerous, and cause injury. I for one would not know how to connect it to the 'grid'

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I am not sure if your idea even makes sense? This is not meant in an insulting way,, it is just the way you have phrased the invention, perhaps a little 'tongue in cheek'?

I can see something which supplies the energy needs of a home, with possibly, add-on parts' as and when needed, being useful.

Yes it is so simple to say things or suggest how to do things.

The simplest things are the harder it is to get peoples mind out of the normal box thinking.

We all know basic jr high school teaching in the facts of hot air rissing and cold air sinks, in other words hot air moducls expand and when in a cone shape funnel it becomes a good source of constant power, when combined with the facts that most construction workers know that higher the structure the more danger in wind blowing them off.

The facts of combining nature and man made thermals aren't to far from production of this system when more people are awear of it's enviromental and renewable energy that is constant and does not rely on any motors or emmissions, ( 0 ).

The smallest structure that can be ecconmicly done is 200ft tall and have a land base of 1800ft.

Like I said get the facts and then ask questions, the information is free, Just ask for it and give a postal address.

Thanks for your interest.

Hello kennynabb6,

I essentially agree with your post. But have a few queries...........

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.......it's enviromental and renewable energy that is constant and does not rely on any motors or emmissions, ( 0 ).

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I do not think you will ever get '0' emissions. If there is zero emissions from the object, the Factory which made the object has to release the nasty unwanted stuff like gases etc into the air.

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The smallest structure that can be ecconmicly done is 200ft tall and have a land base of 1800ft.

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I would like you to explain how you got this 'fact' please?

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I do not know what you mean by having to give a 'postal address'?

This should never be published on open forum! The same goes for email address', they should not be published other than on a PM (Private Message). Unless you want an 'inbox' full of spam.

Yes I do agree with you about the postal address not being posted from interested parties on this forum. Thats why I listed my e-mail address directly.

I came up with the sizes from over 40 years of research in structure designs and volvum of base and height from known pramiaters of base volvume to height orvices at the top.

Think as a larger base wind speed of 3-5 miles of air speed veris the small top cone shape narrows at the top, simalair to a air nozel and pressure increassed wind volvume induced thermal displacement. Not like a stove pipe therory straite pipe therfore no increase from the base air movements., Solar tower which is perposed in Austrlia.

In the facts of known facts of shared technologies, look up on energy central news a artical from Harry Valitaine around January 2008 which backs some of my plan in terms that maybe helpfull to you to understand that this system is known, It's the how to combine them and in which order that eludes all.

Yes it is easy to say things. Thats why the physsics proffessors and universities from around the worlds own research in each technologies that are used in this plan has documention to back what I am saying and from my own research in this feild for over 40 years Natural earth sceinces, atmoshperic weather condintions, natural wind studies, Look I can go on and on about in the box thinkers that don't pay attension to the world around them, Or wounder why it rains or why the heat waves that you see drivening down the road. why in tall structures have wind updrafts.????

Ok it's the how to. with the looking at the one tree in the forest and can't see the other trees.

I have a complete documented structure designs and where each technologies are place so as to inhanse each others power combinations. Get It now , The information is free get it I am Looking for engineers to be employed to help me in the first small scale working model to either prove my plan doesn't work or it does.

Thats why you need to get this information so you can help or maybe you may know some one. I am not a company! I am a reteired disabled veterian Entrepreneur.

All is stage 2 step 1 in research and development in combining 8 naturals in 1 structure as a vessail for it's inner workings.

Hello kennynabb6,

Sounds like you have done a lot of work on your ideas my friend? Do you need to get your ideas and thoughts and inventions notified before you go any further? Or can you tell me/us what you have in mind and what you have done?

Yes my freind I do have a challenge before me, But it was given to me to bring this natural approch to all for the planets enverioment and all living things on this planet.

Many years of real deadcatied people spent their lifes works to bring this into fold. Now is the time to step forward and get this information and you make your own mind up to be the one that says Yes we can make a differance and really do it, or say I can make a differance and waite for some one ealse to do some thing.

My contact is listed for that reason spam feilter kennynabb6@win.net

Hello kenny,

Do you have a web site for this idea explaining more about it, or as much as you and or others are willing to tell?

see #47 this thread

Hello Westseed1,

Hope you are well?

Can you tell me the relevance please?

Hello to you babybear, I am well.

The "see #47 ..." was my method of quickly referencing my previous post on a Stirling engine based water purifier. My misspelling of Stirling is a regret. I was not proposing anything but you made some good comments to Guest's #62 and it seemed relevant. No one would doubt the engineering skills of Deka. I think that some utilities make it easy for you to get paid by them for giving back power to the grid. They just make the proper connection to your existing meter. It has to be done to code.

Also, the conversation between you and kennynabb6 was most interesting. Believe me, as a sailplane pilot in my youth I have been stunned by the power of convection. Other pilots surf the air oscillating off mountains. I have to ask kennynabb6 if his cone structure thing means both thermal induced air flow and structurally induced air flow. There is a guy from Israel who is proposing a structural ring shaped ramp that optimizes air flow modern wind turbines.

Thanks for the good comments.

Hi Westseed1,

Really appreciate this reply post. Forgive for not 'getting' what you meant right away, OK? I was not being rude as I will explain in my PM to you.

Had a very busy night tonight. No sooner one question is asked than another is waiting you know?

I would like to see the Stirling Engine based water purifier working. Sounds a clever way of utilising it.

I was not aware of how any extra power would 'find its way' to the grid. Just never thought about it really. Makes sense as you explain it.

Yes I know kenny' may have problems but his thinking is spot on. Though I have to say the explanations could do with a little more thought..........No insult intended kenny, OK! Use of a spell checker kenny, if there is one handy for you to use, would make reading your interesting posts easier. For a first poster you are doing brilliantly!

I never got to go alone but spent a couple of years flying gliders. Really great sport as well. My friend's whom I also took sometimes were surprised I was not sick. Don't know why, I just was not. But the actual flying, or I should correctly say 'gliding' is so exhilarating.

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Thanks once again for the post............

another idea.... I live in a 2 bedroom apartment in a 15 unit building. If the city power goes out, (ie: ice storm) even if I had a generator, I wouldn't be able to run one except on my small balcony.. which would be annoying to listen to.. plus the exhaust fumes going in everyone's windows.

therefore, can you design and built a method of handling the exhaust and noise from (up to 6500 watt) standard gas generators?

or perhaps create a 'balcony based' green energy centre, employing solar/wind/alt fuel to provide 120vac energy, equivalent to a household generator.

Chris

When I worked on He Got Game, we put a generator of that size in the baggage compartment of a bus. The genny was used to power lights needed for the shots in the bus.

I bought flex tubing to run the exhaust out for safety. We may have taken the baggage door off as well, though it has been awhile and some details escape me.

Using C Stands and Sound Blankets I have built temporary Sound enclosures for Gennys so as to allow for Sound Recording.

A "Sound Blanket" is essentially a Furniture Blanket with grommets, and you could do a rig with wood and Spring Clamps to accomplish the noise reduction, and use flex pipe commonly available at Hardware stores like The Home Depot in the US, or some HVAC places up your way to direct the exhaust to the safest point. (from what I know, you are sort of in the sticks.)

I have seen little Honda 20 amp generators that were used on the streets of Manhattan at Bagel and coffee stands that were amazingly quiet and clean.

Last time there was a severe Ice Storm here I did have to rely on batteries for radio entertainment, and read books about God, and used the gas stove for a heat boost.

For heat in the bedroom I boiled water in the largest cook pots my wife had, and put them in the bedroom as radiators.

Some Marine Batteries and an inverter would be really nice to have to run the computer and a few lights for awhile, though with a Solar Panel Charger your could go for a good while.

Sheetrock buckets painted black will get warm in the sun, and might be a nice addition for the energy scrounging that goes on when it is cold.

An appropriately sized thorium reactor would have greater potential

hi friends,

u can design a wheelchair which can climb stairs.

in case of any developement keep me informed. u can keep me informed otherwise also........

Hi Guest,

Hope you are well?

You are in luck!.............. Take a look at these sites. This is the search site:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=stair+climbing+wheelchair&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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Good luck and keep in touch please with more details, OK?

The stair climbing wheelchair was already invented/marketed by Dean Kamen of Segway fame.

Lawyers in the US Congress and battalions of Green Fanatics fight to decrease generation of greenhouse gases that are generated by burning fuel that propels our cars. They established nonsense minimum milage (miles per gallon). Here is the challenge: How many miles can a car that weights G=2500Lb go for one gallon of mid range gasoline while climbing a slope of 5% at sustained speed of v=70miles per hour, and how many horsepower its engine must have? Assume the face area of the car is 2.5sq.meter, coefficient shape 0.5, density of air 1.23kg/cubic meter, rolling resistance of tires is P=a.G.v.v/R; where a=0.005(approx.), radius of a tire R=20in. Is 35mi/gal realistic in the US?

In former East Germany they made car which name was Trabant. It had 600cc engine, max. speed on horizontal road 45mi/hr., and it ran almost 40mi/gal! But when it climed a 5% hill it could go only 5mi/hr on first gear.Do we want such cars?

I might be "barking up the wrong tree" here, but why not kill 3 birds with one stone?

I am sure there are plenty of organizations (Churches, YMCA...), that have items items in need of repair, from stoves to kids bikes. Using your knowledge to teach youngsters to repair those items would: 1. Keep your hand in 2. Boost those youngsters - while keeping them off the street 3. Provide those organizations with things they desperately need.

You could "finish" my hybrid car,I tried to build for the Auto X-Prize competition, but due to lack of financial help, time ran out. I have a basic design for a 4 seat sedan, 2 seat light pick-up, and a 2+2 city car, all based on the same drive-train. Using high compression 4 cycle outboard motor powerheads,using propane or natural gas in a sequenced layout, one runs for cruising and the second starts for higher power demands, hills-passing etc. The second power unit also drives a generator to charge the batteries on the go. The all composite body-frame structure would use pull-truded fiberglass tubing for the frame and sandwich foam composite body.

I have the power units, frame samples, drivetrain parts located, cabin dimensions established, first tests of a waste heat recovery system completed, the body shape ready for 3-d modelling and windtunnel. I also have a production, assembly and marketing plan which is unlike anything in use today, with a non-profit theme,and a few other ideas.

Goal; a 100 mpg "peoples car" produced in a non confrontational environment.

Hello chris288,

You have your 'thinking cap' on today don't you? ;=)

I really like the homes idea. There is a lot of places who are not 'at war' but who do have a desperate need for these house you describe.

I had a friend who lived in 'temporary housing' which had convention drains, but was built on a slab base. They were designed to last 5 years but many were still being used 30 years later. There was no good reason that I could see that some were bulldozed. They had nothing 'wrong' with them.

I understand a house was delivered in panels on a truck and it took a day to bolt together. The drains snapped together and there was a single cold water supply which was a 'Yorkshire' (nuts fitting). I do not know if they had a fire or not. I would not think so.

Great ideas, keep 'em coming!

GA to you Sir.

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Great idea about the houses though I am not so sure things like that would be feasible in war zones. Perhaps a more flexible method using wooden panels or something would be safe and easily re-assembled after the 'tank' you mentioned has driven through?

Chris,

Have you done any investigation on providing anything to homeless people?

People who don't have shelter are houseless - not homeless! Homelessness has nothing to do with a lack of shelter.

Homeless: 'An inadequate experience of connectedness with family and or community.'

If the problem was a lack of shelters for the homeless why aren't all the homeless shelter always full? During winter they are more busy but more shelters won't solve the problem.

So often on the street people shake a set of keys with a big smile on their face saying 'I've got a place.' But often they end up spending most of their time on the streets anyway because they just don't know anyone else other than other homeless people and an empty room is very lonely.

Homelessness is about a lack of connectedness. Belonging somewhere is about belonging with other people. Like belonging to a family or local community.

The largest social demographic in first world countries that experiences homelessness are actually elderly people who are houseful. Quite often their spouse has died and their children live at a distance. They feel the same loneliness and abandonment as the person living on the street.

People in institutions including prisons or juvenile justice centres often feel the same loneliness or more accurately experience homelessness as the only people they have contact with other than the other 'homeless' inmates are people paid to be a part of their life. These people are the equivalent of people who work in soup kitchens or shelters on the streets.

Imagine that, only having contact with people who are paid to have contact with you! This is chronic homelessness.

What can the jimmymac28 gang do about that? Kind of out of their scope. Eh?

Jon

kudukdweller9

I think you have just broken a land speed world record in discouraging. Chris only meant well and is not as inconsiderate as you try and make him out to be. He's a good bloke and a material or alternative suggestion would have been asked for and not splitting some social atom.

The jimmymac28's of this world are the salt in the soup and they are asking for intuitive, honest and straight forward suggestions, so that their "homelessness" (?) can be interrupted and find meaningful reflection in a forum like this. One can be homeless in one's own head, you know! I wonder why you came up with this. Not very constructive, was it K9? It can have bite too, you know?

I have a few projects of my own going on and can be of no help to the admired gentlemen. The challenges of today are obvious and in any area of science and technology. I hardly find the time to satisfy all of them (my projects) not to mention the time I lovingly spend on CR4.

Taking up the thought of another person, and appreciating it, is like building something from nothing. Taking on a challenge and getting many people involved needs cohesion, so all can become one.

This is not a political link but a link to being diplomatic. This politician was once asked by a journo why he was drinking French red wine and not Australian (they are better, but pricey) where to Gough replied, pointing to his gurgler:

"Once it passes here it becomes bloody Australian!" He became one with what was on offer!

Once a concept or idea finds a need it will be implemented and doing it the other way around reeks of boredom. Not my department, Ky.

Ky,

I see what you mean. No disrespect intended. (I should use the emoticons.)

I was pointing out that "homeless" did not apply to a people who are socially and familialy connected but have no house.

Did you get that?

I got that info from Australia. A friends wife worked in the "houseless people department" in Sydney and discovered what waste it was because the people placed in the nice homes were actually "homeless" and wrecked them and sold off everything they could to support their old habits and were back on the street in jiffy time. They were K9 and bit the hand that fed them - you and your fellow taxpayers.

That is not to say that building a village for houseless people who are not homeless is not a good idea. It is a great idea.

Jon

I agree with you. Thank you for the clarification.. I don't think you detracted from the validity of the idea.. just educated me. When I used the word homeless, I was really thinking of refugees, displaced persons, etc...

I am happy to learn.

Yes there is a desperate need for semi-permanent accommodation following natural disasters.

Hi Chrisq288,

Glad I could offer a crumb. I notice that you have more than a few slices.

I was thinking that you were going along that line when you spoke of the miltary aspect of the developement.

That could have been about our own inner city gang terrorism zones.

Jon

That could have been about our own inner city gang terrorism zones

Yes.. that, and north america has also invented 'trailer parks', the number of which have probably outstripped conventional housing starts. all indicate a need for affordable housing..there is certainly a spectrum here.

I would also like to point out a potential value chain here... If these houses were constructed primarily of concrete, then I think that, as most of the world has plenty of rock, that mining and crushing plants might pair with the concrete fabrication facilities, and provide both labour and product in growing communities. (people employed at the plants are also customers of the product, provided prices stay within the wages of the workers... a la Henry Ford's 5$ work day and 800$ model A) I'm sure there are other similar chains... textiles, etc.

a good supply of food, shelter, clothing, education, medicine, and the rule of law, (provided the citizens have a positive role in it) all help to fight gangs and warlords (of every type) and their terror.

Chris

Chrisq288,

People my age were going through school in class sizes that were double the size of other classes. Now we are retiring in large numbers.

8 years later the same thing happens again.

Permanent village parks with durable houses and local amenities instead of trailer parks would be the way to go. A global link for trading places would be cool too. So if someone in Alberta wanted to have 2 winters per year they could swap places with someone in South Australia or South Island, NZ.

A good supply of food, shelter, clothing, education, medicine, and the rule of law, (provided the citizens have a positive role in it) all help to fight gangs and warlords (of every type) and their terror.

(Hmmm sounds a little like Iraq, Afghanistan, some African areas. And some part of Los Angeles.)

Yes! And that community would be a more desirable labor pool for businesses.

Management process and organization behaviour, Human relations is part of the program for this thread?

JON

Hello chris,

You make some very good points.

I can never understand why manufactured items, like for instance concrete blocks, have to be sent half way round the world when the 'raw' materials are on the 'doorstep'?

Thank you too Ky.

I think we all want to help people in need here, but it is important to be specific about who needs what kind of help and why. I don't object to the clarification because that will help others too. I'm certain there is a need for this type of housing, even with the homeless, even here at home in Canada. I've been too close to the street on occasion, and I would prefer one of these to living in a tent or less in a bush, freezing to death in the winter like here in Alberta. (like the person found on the park bench last January here.)

Chris

Hello Ky,

I think what you said needed to be said. We all know what 'homelessness' is, and chris was just putting forward an idea after all?

Take care my friend.

Trans,

I was using that example to show the difference between houseless and homeless.

Human interaction with an inanimate object makes a home or just a bigger house? I guess that works for the the twisted mind.

Chimps have a home with each other. An interdependency with others of their kind. They give and they get. They find shelter in storms however inadequate. They are a big family. They all forage for themselves and only share when the food is a monkey or other animal one of them killed.

This Thread seems to be about coming up with ideas to keep the "home" fire burning. People who have a common interest and goal continuing that worthy lifestyle.

You Think?

Jon

Hello Transendian,

Those 'Executives' should be ashamed of themselves. A case of 'I am OK jack", blow the rest?..............I cleaned that one up as well !

These ideas are simple and easy to do. But of course there would not be a whole lot of......... shall we say 'PROFIT'? Makes me sick the attitude of the 'haves' to the have nots'!

hi kadu,

I think you are talking about this and 'throwing' definitions at us when you secretly know what was meant by chris. The term 'homelessness' means just that. Accept what he says and enough of the 'pedantic' phrases.

Do not take this as an insult. Just accept what people say in the manner it was said please.

I look forward to reading your other post and to see your ideas.

Take care...............

Babybear,

Thanks for your concern.

Not throwing

No secrets

Not pedantic

I know he knows.

I don't accept stuff without due consideration.

It was for the benefit of those who do accept stuff without question. Some are reading our posts.

Jon

Hello kudu,

No problems. And as you say at least people are reading some of our stuff!

Take care.........

The units and infrastructure have been available as described in:

http://www.janeholtzkay.com/Articles/holland2.html

bwire,

I don't really see a comparison there.. lots of changing politics.. but not really modular prefab housing. The focus on 30% allocation for the underfunded people used to be there, but now it seems to be going away, based on what I read.

care to clarify?

Chris

Reality being in the US of A, we're experiencing a vacant housing density ratio off the charts. We don't need more dwellings yet we have plenty empty, sure a percentage of vacant dwellings are in need of rehab and or just energy upgrades.

As of last March Pulte construction had 20,000+ brand new vacant unsellable homes just in the Phoenix, AZ area alone

Ya see this is not uncommon these days...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/florida-cre-implosion-visualized
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/pictureserverphotos/?albumview=slideshow

Dear bwire,

I hate to disagree with you, but, what you have is more likely is 20,000 unaffordable houses...

Why would a person keep a house if they have to mortgage their children's careers to pay for it.

I'm talking AFFORDABLE housing.. make use of the cost reductions enabled by mass production of modular designs, with embedded technolgy. This way, the cost of the materials is lowest, and the cost of erection is lowest. All that remains is logistical questions of how to transport the materials from where they are manufactured to where they are erected. I'm not proposing that all the plants have to be in NA either. I think it would be better that if you need housing in South Africa, then build a plant in South Africa for concrete forming.

100 years ago, Thomas Edison had an obsession about Poured Concrete Houses, (cast in place) which did not work out... but the need has always been there.

the average 3 bedroom home where I am is 300,000$. Who can afford this? Its crazy!

We need to undercut this bloated economy... (Burn a trillion dollars to just offset the recent 'stimulus') We need to just provide the homes for little or no profit. If we need labour, I'm sure there are millions of people who want affordable housing who are willing to work for it. (like Habitat For Humanity)

With the global population heading toward 7billion, this is not going to get any better with the traditional profit-oriented type of thinking. We need to work together, for each other... to survive.

Chris

No, no,yes, yes, yes

I've always been intrigued by "Binisystems" and other poured concrete concepts for small and large on location building speciallities.

I'm sure you may be familiar:

http://www.binisystems.com/

nope...haven't heard of that.. thank you.

I've been interested in concrete houses for a while too... this is the first image I made a few years ago. the basic idea was that you could

1. pour the pad in place (on footings)
2. build a form on the ground in the shape of each wall horizontally, with windows and door holes in place.. Build up rebar, then pour concrete
3. Place wood 2x4 laid into concrete when wet, to provide for attachment of interior surfaces, wiring & plumbing routes.
4. finish and colorize if desired.
5. stand the walls up, and bolt together.
6. put wooden joists and rafters in after.
7. roof over. (or have cast roof sections put on, with steel beam.
8. put in windows, doors, plumbing, electrical. (could also cast some features like counters & sinks, tubs.
9. finish interior as per usual
10. seal and coat exterior.

Super, and ICF's are utilized too? or

Metal stud precast concrete insulated panels?

Other than local concrete quality is debatable in some areas of the world this is the sort of idea which is a part of the solution.

Bwire,

This LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM thread could lead to new jobs or continuation of current jobs.

People are running scared and are holding on to their money.

Last fall my 401K was looking good and I was 6 months past my full retirement age.

In Fall I told my wife I was going to retire. She was emphatic about me NOT retiring. In winter I decided to do it anyway and applied. Due to the delay and the economic crash I lost nearly 20% of the 401K before I could move it to an IRA.

I think the housing surplus was partly due to a large Aerospace company shipping their manufacturing off to Malaysia, moving operations to other factories outside of Arizona and outsourcing other jobs to Mexico and other countries. Their subcontractors have also been adversely affected.

And the Aerospace industry having difficulty and the economy taking a dump adversely effecting 401K's prompting retirement while there was still money in it to move to an IRA and not having enough years to wait for the economic recovery before mandatory retirement age clinches it.

Jon

I chose semi-retirement this March, I am living by grace too...

The USAtoday.com showed 14 million empty housing units this past February, Europe's #'s are way up too.

Think of the jobs created by required and desired updates/upgrades to these currently available housing units.

google empty housing units

Efficiency housing has a place everywhere I agree...

This Thread could look at developing new or improved Tools and Hardware used in upgrading homes. Tools and Hardware adapted to operations different from those used in initial construction.

I noticed that the new overpriced houses are more like crackerboxes and not made so well. The internal workings are the "China" quality.

Upgrading a house that was built in better economic times seems to be the way to go today.

Jon

Yes the 'cracker-boxes' an apt description are largely unmarketable in our current economic climate and many will be demolished instead, as has been the case recently in California.

It may be determined prohibitive to upgrade some dwellings in favor of raising and rebuilding too.

Many will be those whom are needing retraining along side journeymen in up coming times. None is the is the shortage of work to be done.

Development of tool systems maybe required in the near future, yes...

This was the original renders for the artifical tree idea, (in a sunny hot dry zone) featuring...

1. Shade - for people (children & playgrounds etc)
2. Wind power - directed to
1. Pumped water - purification
2. Pumped water - irrigation
3. Pumped water - non-potable domestic uses.
3. Solar Power -
1. Photovoltaic
2. Convection Chimney w turbine (inside 'tree trunk') (similar to Kennynabb6's idea, but not 200 feet high)

Can also be used to elevate outdoor lighting. and others I'm sure.

I originally intended these to have at least 10 feet of clearance under them, but it does not appear like that properly. and I will post more as it occurs to me.

Chris

Chrisg288,

Your poured out ideas in this thread are really fantastic. The effective visuals are so effective in conceiving the idea. I should call you as a mega think tank, idea bank and a productive speed brain. Do you have a speicial animation software with you for making this?The idea of artificial trees is also in my mind, the sheet materials what I am planning is using waste materials composites like paper, ETP sludge, saw dust, plastic sheets and covers, strings, metal rods, scrap materials and all possible converted waste materials. In high ways all trees are slaughtered off and possible artificial inceptions like these should be workable. I also post my special appreciations for your openness and frank sharing of class ideas to all CR4 members.

I add my GA vote too. Regards

thank you.

the software for this was freeware Pov-Ray raytracing engine and the Moray wireframe modeller (which outputs text files for pov-ray) both are available for download from the above link.

Chris

Thank you for the information on the software and keep it up- your creative thinking.

Hello All

Yes this system has all of what your talking about! the Renewable Thermal wind system has most bof what you are awear of and plus it is all in 1 structure complete with greenerys and houesing.

Simialar to the old biosphear at the ground level.

I have all the real world pictures and details, now because it is emmerging technologies and is phase 2 step 1 only can I give out the basics on this site and therefore it can only get it from me by informational disc. not by web.

This system is not intended for 1-2 homes and not 1 person install, Groups of 20-30 homes or co-ops.

I am still haveing problems with my server so give me time to respond.

Also be awear that I can only respond to thoese that have a real interest by my e-mail address kennynabb6@win.net please.

Help spread the word that there is a better and less cost effectiveness for the buck.

RENEWABLE ( THERMAL)=WIND POWER THE ENERGY POWER SOURCE think more of the words thermal not the wind, This system is not a blade system!

thanks for all who have replied.

Maybe you could hook up with the turbine guy in the New Technologies and Research thread and help him with some calcs...

He really needs some help with calcs.

I read years ago that water will become the future reason for wars between countries.

perhaps you can find ways to pre-empt this, and improve on the current technology that produces water out of air, and make it available to drought-prone countries.

Langyaw,

The drought-prone countries with dry air would be quite a challenge.

However water can be collected from moisture that comes from beneath the ground too. I know that deserts tend have deep underground aquifers and rivers.

A real big unit could be a lifesaver.

This one doesn't use power.

Cool eh?

Jon

Hello kudu,

That one hell of a bee-hive! Must be millions in there?

WOW!

Take care my friend.