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Instrumentation for Desalination Plants

03/10/2010 12:23 AM

Dear Sir, Can you please explain me the control phylosophy of desalination plants including pumping stations. and Field instruments.

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03/10/2010 1:18 AM

The "Phylosophy" of desalinations plants is very deep, but offhand I would say that it is to turn salt or brackish water into potable water, fit for human consumption and agricultural use. Also, "The Phylosophy" has nothing to do with pumping stations or field instruments (whatever that may mean.) Technology takes care of that. Hope this helps.

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03/10/2010 1:46 AM

Not only that, there is a schism into two schools of phylosophy: distillation and reverse osmosis. In bitter acrimony, various partisans have been boiled at the stake.

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03/10/2010 2:18 AM

Here in SA at the coastal town of Sedgfield with a long history of water shortages they are running a reverse osmosis plant supplying about 1150 kl/day at a cost of about 15% of the 1995 estimates.

Search for "desalination process sedgfield" in your engine.

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03/10/2010 4:03 AM

The philosophy depends upon the style of plant being employed and will be written afresh for a particular plant.

  • RO:
    • simple single stage pumping without energy recovery?
    • ditto with energy recovery?
    • double stage for high purity technical water without energy recovery?
    • ditto with energy recovery?
  • Evaporator:
    • how many stages?

Etc.

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Re: Instrumentation for Desalination Plants

03/10/2010 4:54 PM

This application note may be of assistance, imran.

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Re: Instrumentation for Desalination Plants

03/10/2010 11:40 PM

Hi Imran,

I've worked for many years in Desal. I've wirtten many documents relating to the control philosophy of the plants. These documents are also known as the Control Narrative, Control Description and Fuctional Description (each client has thier own name for it).

These documents are quite in depth. Depending on the level of detail required by the programmer, and the simplicity of the RO plant, they can be as little as 10 pages, or as long as 200 pages.

They typically include the basic description of the plant, the basic philosophy of how the plant should behave. Then they'll go into the detail of the operation (the individual unit operations, such as multiple train interactions). Then they'll detail the startup and shutdown routines, and any additional routines (such as flushing and CIP/soak). Also they'll detail the individual equipment items, and thier loop control interactions. Setpoints for Control and Alarms are specified and explained. These will often include logic diagrams, etc.

Instruements are all detailed as well - how they interact, what are thier control inputs. PID control parameters, and control and alarm setpoints.

This is not something for the faint hearted, these will typically take me 2-3 weeks of solids work to put out, and then will always require corrections (to help the programmers understand your logic).

More than willing to help, if I can, but this is really a hard (and long) topic to tackle in the forum, suggest email me on

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03/11/2010 8:24 AM

Good answer. The idea is, my friend imran, that you have to pay in order to get something. Ajwinemaker is there to help and get paid.

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03/11/2010 4:00 AM

http://www.itermaritimum.com/Orvieto/La%20salina%20di%20Margherita%20di%20Savoia.htm

Hi,

here is a link to one of the big still operating natural Salinas in Europe/Italy.

Evaporation is by wind and sun.

First stage is to concentrate the sea-water and to remove gypsum and similar minerals of low solubility.

Second stage is to let crystallise the NaCl = table-salt.

Third stage is either to pump back the brine or to search for tertiary use: will be very important to let react to get high quality phosphor-containing-fertiliser.

This will be one of the top-products for the next decades as the natural phosphate deposits vanish quickly and no new deposits expected to be explored. Mankind needs this fertiliser as agriculture is fully dependent on this stuff.

There is another source from steel-making but this cannot at all cover the demand.

If anybody knows the trace-element composition of first-, second-, and third stage I am highly interested.

These Salinas have an analytical lab but they did not answer my question about trace element composition.

RHABE

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Re: Instrumentation for Desalination Plants

04/23/2010 3:43 AM

Some practical ideas you may get from my site http://www.pimansoft.com devoted to water treatment and desalination plants design automation. The paper "Control resolved" explains basic concepts of the plant control. Attached P&I diagrams contain necessary field instruments.

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