Previous in Forum: Poetry Month   Next in Forum: Gear Pump Versus Rotary Vane Pump
Close
Close
Close
88 comments
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5198
Good Answers: 266

Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 9:57 AM

It is ideas that culminate with free thought that nurture the mind for Artist, Scientists, and Engineers amongst others. What they manifest from these ideas benefits mankind. This forum has provided a place to meet to share ideas to help each other. I find that at times some of those that administer this site are closed mind in that they can be arrogant and degrading in response with their comments. Some soul searching needs to done to really find out where Admin wants to go with this site. Each one of us has a mind and our own opinion. Many of those here express it with out condemnation of others with dissimilar beliefs. If some administrators wish to impose their ideas on us with out rebuttal by closing the thread many with great minds will leave. Farewell Blink, Ozzb

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Guru
United States - Member - Lifelong New Yorker Popular Science - Biology - Animal Science Technical Fields - Technical Writing - Technical Writer

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 2409
Good Answers: 59
#1

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:07 AM

The moderators are not not close-minded. They are acting in accordance to the guidelines they were provided with. As with most things, they are somewhat subjective, and as I mentioned previously the moderators are still getting used to how they should moderate.

I don't believe they have intended to be arrogant or degrading.

The direction of moderation is not going to be changed.

Threads are closed when the conversation takes a turn for the worse. The exception to this is homework threads. We are still working out a new policy on this since many users have expressed an interest to leaving these open.

I'm happy to hear there are a lot of users who want to express opinions without the condemnation of others. That's great. That's what the site is for and that type of discussion is encouraged as long as it doesn't move into off-topic or inappropriate discussion. Those topics can be reserved for Private Messages.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5198
Good Answers: 266
#7
In reply to #1

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 11:20 AM

"The moderators are not not close-minded." They no longer become moderators when they participate and stir up trouble. If the moderator If they pull the plug when it goes south making the last comment then what would you have me believe. Oh and I did say some not all. Most of admin have been very gracious in their posts.

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Register to Reply
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#10
In reply to #7

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 12:30 PM

There seems to be a misconception that I'm a moderator. I am not. I used to be a while ago, but haven't been for a while. I think you're referring to me, right? I'm just a user, just like you.

Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#39
In reply to #10

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:32 PM

Roger, you just made a logic error. If you are not a moderator as you say and haven't been for some time and are just a mere user, how did you close that thread less than two weeks ago? YOU SAID you were closing the thread. Funny, I don't recall seeing a checkbox allowing ME to close a thread. I must have missed that.

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#71
In reply to #10

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 11:09 AM

Roger Pink,

Can you please explain

"There seems to be a misconception that I'm a moderator. I am not. I used to be a while ago, but haven't been for a while. I think you're referring to me, right? I'm just a user, just like you" and what you wrote on 04/21/2010 9:27 AM

"Also, I closed the thread because when I had reread ..."

This indicates that you are a moderator or that one of your buddies is a moderator. The very small bit of respect that I had for you has now vanished completely - you have shown your true colors.

Now you (or your buddies) will probably remove this post so no one can see it but it does not change the fact that you are, well how can I put it without offending you too much (not that I particularly care), a lying son of a ... (I'm sure that someone with your alledged IQ can fill in the missing word).

I am also tired of the "My 94 Cheve won't start" questions. I used to participate on this site quite a bit but recently the topics have become tiresome.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22633
Good Answers: 409
#2

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:23 AM

Other members who gave a farewell post was not closed, why now?

One starts to reflect. Is this it, what it comes down to.

There is something, I do not recall the term, when something get too large or successful it begins to implode, if nothing is done to correct it.

kinda a solemn day

Stay healthy Blink

p911

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - Lifelong New Yorker Popular Science - Biology - Animal Science Technical Fields - Technical Writing - Technical Writer

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 2409
Good Answers: 59
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:25 AM

Reasons were given for closing the thread. I've posted all over the site that we are working on maintaining the moderation process as it transitions from 1-3 individuals to a large team.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22633
Good Answers: 409
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:37 AM

If it has to do with religion, that would be poor at best from another thread.

But the post was based on something else.

This is pulling away from the main topic, or maybe not. And forcing to address the issue.

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - Lifelong New Yorker Popular Science - Biology - Animal Science Technical Fields - Technical Writing - Technical Writer

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 2409
Good Answers: 59
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:41 AM

It's hard for the moderation team to do its work when the users are upset - some of this is understandable - and keep creating more work for us. Repeating things that were moderated because they should not be on the site is not helping.

We're working on it. We're going to implement a new technique - instead of deleting improper comments we will replace them with a reason why they have been removed. Hopefully this will help.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - Don't Know What Made The Old Title Attractive... Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - 60 Year Member

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Yellowstone Valley, in Big Sky Country
Posts: 6954
Good Answers: 282
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:48 AM

"We're going to implement a new technique - instead of deleting improper comments we will replace them with a reason why they have been removed"

I believe that is a move in the right direction. When offensive posts are removed, the subsequent comments are sometimes taken out of the original context, and neck hackles raise, responding to an insult that never was.

Yes, I agree that is good better moderation.

__________________
When you come to a fork in the road, take it. (Yogiism)
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15106
Good Answers: 936
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 11:56 AM

Ok, this is a perfect example in itself of why deleting a posting can generate more confusion. I had no idea that Blink has left. I do not know if this was a voluntary removal or what happened. I do not know what statements were considered improper or if the "moderators" were having a bad day. This will now be the second sharp, prolific contributor to leave in the past year. The "moderators" here should remember that even though they maintain the hardware that contains this site, people do not come here and to the GlobalSpec site to see how well they maintain the site. People come and stay here for the discourses, sometimes adamant discourses this community provides.

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 20964
Good Answers: 780
#11
In reply to #8

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 12:30 PM

To fill you in, the octopus of threads on this now includes:

The AntiScience-Part I

Do Veterans Think AntiScience I ought to have been Closed?

Why am I Quitting CR4?

Why bother?

Farewell to Blink [this one]

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15106
Good Answers: 936
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 12:37 PM

Thanks Tornado,

I hope I can locate all of these threads a peruse them before they disappear into the ether.

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#13
In reply to #8

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 12:57 PM

Blink used a thread to say farewell to CR4. The thread's comments have been closed, but you can still view it here. There was no removal of his thread from the site.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 5989
Good Answers: 242
#58
In reply to #13

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 3:24 PM

Thanks!

I certainly don't view all threads, nor even every day's list, so I missed that.

As I recall, Blink previously used another avatar/name, and was somehow forced to leave that too.

I had a lot of respect for him and his knowledge under both names, will certainly miss him, and am sorry to hear he has left.

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4485
Good Answers: 245
#60
In reply to #58

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 5:56 PM

... and as the balloon drifts into the distance...

I had no idea this would be such a long process.

I want to make it perfectly clear that my previous name change required a fairly large amount of work on the part of CR4 and that it was done at my request. As many of you know, I have done quite a bit of debunking, and some of the things debunked have been the basis for businesses. Some business owners are not kind people.

(The bizarreness of it all: There are a lot of you with a good grasp of physics and thermodynamics. You will find little if anything in my posts anywhere on this site that would make you say much more than "Well, of course," or if you are younger, "Duh." There are some businesses based on the premise that the sun appears to rise in the west. I've only pointed out that the sun really appears to rise in the east. On two occasions, that has resulted in threats taken seriously by the authorities.)

__________________
There is more to life than just eating mice.
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#72
In reply to #3

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 11:14 AM

SavvyExacta,

Can you clarify if Roger Pink is a moderator or not? If not then how did he manage to close a Thread? This really is one of the fiundamental issues that Admin face - moderators are there to moderate and not to protect certain individuals.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#14
In reply to #2

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 5:47 PM

phoenix911, I think others who gave a farewell post did not include a personal attack on someone in their post. So there would be no reason to close it.

It's too bad, because Blink had some other things to say that could have been discussed and it could have been a good thread of farewell to and from his friends and others, if he must leave and say goodbye.

What he said about Roger was grossly unfair and offensive. I must admit it made me angry, and I think both Roger and the moderators handled it appropriately. Anyone who read that troublesome side thread in Antiscience I, will see that the "farewell" speech is way out of bounds and a gross, maybe even libelous misquotation out of context to personally attack the man.

Anyone can have a bad day, be rude, misunderstand, or be misunderstood on the internet. Ideally we get over it, learn something from it and hope to do better next time around. Too bad Blink decided to leave on a bad note, but I can tell from the comments by people who know him better than I do, if he comes around to give it another go, he will be welcomed and all forgiven. And that is as it should be.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22633
Good Answers: 409
#15
In reply to #14

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 6:14 PM

I knew that, I glad someone actually came up to say that and not hide be hide behind religious skirts. Other than Roger who is very capable to handle himself was left on his own.

case491 as so left with I am leaving, but he did not use names, some, at the time, thought that was immature on the reasoning, but I felt he had good input.

As far a blink he does have a point with intellectual bulling I am sure looking back on it, it may have been better to bring it out in a post. And not use it as a direct hit.

I had disagreements with with Roger also, who hasn't. And like Roger, if leaving a post, I'll let you have the last word, usually or sometimes.

I just like to think as you, it was a bad day.

But this is not a do over. Like to think this is a kind of a market adjustment. See what happens when the dust starts to settle, but when addressing issues, should be address directly, but not personal which is difficult.

a not example

your a bully,

no I'm not, you are.

which unfortunately to a degree can be entertaining but then it escalates.

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#16
In reply to #15

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 8:16 PM

Right you are.

Almost all the discussion on this site is reasonable and disagreements that are for a reason don't cause bad feelings. They just make us more rounded in our attitude, or you learn something and correct an error.

The other kind of disagreement, where I have felt bad emotionally, I have had a couple. I've seen a few times some behavior I thought was irrational or 'bullying' and felt bad for persons involved. Not many times, at CR4, I have to say.

A bad behavior is bad, there's no point in pretending otherwise. But I don't let that prejudice me against the person in the long run, or make me incapable of appreciating their good posts and good qualitites. You get to know a person better and you accept that everyone has misunderstandings and bad moments, and don't dwell too much on the past.

I think it's good that admin holds us to a high standard of behavior if we fail to manage it ourselves. The site would be worthless if this sort of stuff happened every day...

cheers, phoenix.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5198
Good Answers: 266
#21
In reply to #14

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 8:44 AM

Reread the post roger quoted something that Blink never said. All I read in Blink thread is his support of someone roger attacked.

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 4)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#27
In reply to #21

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:22 AM

If there is a misquote I guess I missed it. Language is a funny thing, you can read a lot into a statement or nothing at all. In this case, I did not see Roger's comment to kevinm as an attack at all. It was a valid point of logic, which I agreed, in no way intending to offend anybody. I do not see that there was any attack, honestly.

Maybe this is a cultural thing. I come from a household where logical debate and argument of any topic is the usual fare served up at every family supper. If you can't be dispassionate about the ideas being discussed, it can turn into a shouting match (yes that has happened too - which spoils the fun). We have simply gotten used to entertaining contrary ideas without engaging feelings of offense. So I didn't really see the reason for all the fuss.

I'm sorry Blink was offended, but maybe that has been cleared up now, since I see he came back to post in Roger's "Mea Culpa", and perhaps there is a satisfactory resolution after all, and he will stay. I hope so.

All the best, ozzb.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#22
In reply to #14

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 9:10 AM

As a Blink watcher and secret admirer - for years before I joined - and since - I read Blinks "attack" as; logical illustration of flaws in Rogers logic links.

Not, as you seem to read it, as all about the "trigger words" in the examples.

I have also followed Roger and am aware and supportive of his "science sense" on the one hand, and "his passion" on the other. Sometimes they mix oddly, but it's one of his quirks is to be 'absolute' - even on penguins.

As said recently: I don't believe a comment can be taken in isolation of the context. That heavily includes a take on the dynamics and values of the contributors.

This kurfuffle is not worth the loss to the Forum. Closing the thread effectively froze it at maximum upset for Blink and left Rogers' threats to shut the thread the apparent "win" - a power he has now had to deny - but still makes him look like a Pratt.

"No Faith" in these guys to work it out - or in others to intervene, when actually required - Amplified the problem for Administration.

Post 1 is a tautology and oxymoron in avowed intent.

What it has served to do is to set this threads discussion mode on language, religion and 'developing' moderation.

Blinks' post seemed to have a lot more reasons than a tiff with Rogers' logic.

If there is one force behind all CR4 ills - it is comprehension. Do you actually comprehend "Post 1 is a tautology and oxymoron in avowed intent". Have you looked up the words and reread the post? or have you reacted to what you think it might mean?

People who focus and react to the one word that touches their "world" - not the entirety of the post, and posters intent - are that destructive force. Moderation should not add to that force.

I look forward to an explanation in place of a deleted post - if for no other reason than that moderators will have to think about why they are hitting the button.

One hopes that "standard phrase" will be more advanced than; 'this comment was deemed inappropriate to the CR4 image'. Which obviously would result in a deluge of PM's saying 'What?'

E.g. this thread is created out of moderation "reflexly hitting the button"

I suggest to members and Admin alike, that the reason both Blink and Roger and the former lost great contributors - and even banned me - stuck here, is we saw it as Voluntary Engineering Mentoring.

You need to hear all of Blinks message - for it says what has made his mentoring "worthless".

And you need to mourn Rogers loss of face - for that will cost the forum his knowledge too.

Kyzine

Register to Reply Score 2 for Off Topic
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#23
In reply to #22

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 9:39 AM

I haven't seen this many people on the cross since the end of Spartacus.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22633
Good Answers: 409
#26
In reply to #23

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:42 AM

you knew spartacus?

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#28
In reply to #26

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:27 AM

Personally, no. But you'll be interested to know there was a movie, named Spartacus, released in 1960. The film, Directed by Stanley Kubric and starring Kirk Douglas won 4 Oscars. One of the final scenes of Spartacus looks like this:

Extraordinarily similar to the scene here in this thread. I of course am playing the role played by the dashing and talented Laurence Olivier.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22633
Good Answers: 409
#30
In reply to #28

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:41 AM

I saw that one, I also saw the scar on Spartacus's arm (played by Douglas) where he recieved his vaccination shots.

__________________
“ When people get what they want, they are often surprised when they get what they deserve " - James Wood
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5898
Good Answers: 204
#29
In reply to #22

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:37 AM

Even though you have caught a virus from your last visit to Transcendia, (where you compulsively write in one-liners instead of paragraphs) , I must say that is a fair and reasonably well written portrait of the situation. ga.

Chris

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#35
In reply to #22

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 5:29 PM

hi kyzine,

on rereading this thread I realized your post is addressed to me so I am replying, although my first inclination was to let it pass. I agree the kurfuffle isn't worth the loss to the forum, and I hope it is resolved without losses (maybe it already has been).

I just want to comment that the same terms are sometimes used differently by lay people and those who are formally educated. My first degree was in philosophy, so I tend to stick with stricter definitions than might be generally used.

Eloquence and reasoning, for example, are not the same thing. Logical reasoning follows formal rules and is as strict as any physical or engineering science, so assessments of a point of logic or a line of reasoning are impartial and don't carry any emotional baggage. It's like any technical matter that might be discussed until there is a complete and correct good answer, but this cant really happen unless everyone is clear about the rules in the first place.

I must say I am very sorry to see any of the talented and generous engineers leave this place for any reason.

Anyway, kyzine, best of luck to you. Sorry to see you missing from the membership.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#40
In reply to #35

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:43 PM

"on rereading this thread I realized your post is addressed to me"

Excellent summation.

------------------------------

Logic;

The platypus lives in a bank.

There is a bank in town

Therefore the platypus lives in town.

Discuss;.........

"missing" are you thinking membership lives in an Avatar?

If you are reading my posts through that, best I stop signing my posts

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#43
In reply to #40

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:16 PM

The Platipy (Platypuses sounds so weird) live in riverbanks.

There is no river bank in town.

Therefore the bank has gone down the river.

Creating banks on the way.

Poor Platy, no more bank in town.

Don't worry about discussing it;........

, Ky.

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member Popular Science - Biology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3499
Good Answers: 144
#52
In reply to #40

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 6:41 AM

Logic;..... ;)

The 'weak inference' is a logical fallacy, whose results may be true or false.

The weak inference is built into our computer hardware architecture.

Therefore the belief or expectation that computers will produce true and correct answers may sometimes be false.

........... cynical reasoning:

Both the bank, and the town, depend on computers for true and correct answers and assure us that they are true.

The platypus is an unlikely creature cobbled together of poorly matched parts, producing the typical reaction "What the hell happened here?...."

Therefore it's no surprise to me, to learn that the platypus is in town, and harbored by a bank.

-------- "membership"

No offense intended by that remark, you said ".. and me banned.." which I don't know anything about. For heavens sake don't stop signing your posts, we all know and recognize you and are happy to see you (as opposed to some random guest). Who cares about avatar nonsense, you are a member. Forgive my wrong words.

cheers.

__________________
incus opella
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5898
Good Answers: 204
#57
In reply to #52

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 1:48 PM

"The platypus is an unlikely creature cobbled together of poorly matched parts, producing the typical reaction "What the hell happened here?...."

It only works because there is a superior operating system.... Not Windows! If it were, it would take the poor thing twenty minutes every day to find its a$$.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#64
In reply to #57

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 9:09 PM

I think the platypus must have been a Steve Jobs prototype for a waterproof computing device. They intended to call it the iPlaty, but the focus groups weren't impressed so it got "accidentally left" at a bank in an effort to build "media buzz" but everybody who looked at it said WTF!? and shook their heads....

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#54
In reply to #40

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 7:37 AM

Kyzine was banned for what? I have not seen him being aggressive in the 3-4 odd years I had been around. Now i checked back and say he has not posted from around feb (to be precise 16th) The last post is quite innocuous.

had he been doing something naughty on BBT? He had been almost exclusively.

I wonder .

Thank god I banned myself

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15106
Good Answers: 936
#9

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 12:23 PM

Farewell Blink,

I will miss your little kitten wink and your sharp rhetoric. Your perspective and humour has certainly been one of the high points of this community. You dealt precise blows to many a faux-engineer that descended here that couldn't keep their mouth's shut. While blasphemous abuse of any misguided individual should not be tolerated here, polite incompetent fools should always have their ideas dismantled. You did this masterfully, Blink and always with precise logic.

Be good to yourself Blink.

Redfred

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1548
Good Answers: 137
#17

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 10:04 PM

What is blink?

__________________
Few things limit our potential as much as knowing answers and setting aside questions.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 10)
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#18
In reply to #17

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 11:16 PM

here

It'll take some time to catch up though, I mean see the bigger picture. Very sad news and a great loss to CR4.

He might just reconsider, Ky.

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 20964
Good Answers: 780
#19
In reply to #17

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/22/2010 11:29 PM

"Blink" is capitalized, so it is a name (or nickname). Had you looked around, you would not have asked such a question. Blink is one of the best posters this forum has ever enjoyed, with the most or next most GA's and a good percentage thereof. This whole dust-up is regrettable, and your question even more so.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#73
In reply to #19

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 5:38 PM

Wow, tough crowd. Asking an ignorant question is "even more" "regrettable" than "this whole dust up".

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 719
Good Answers: 25
#20

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 7:00 AM

How about starting a movement?:

Blink -
" The man we knew and loved."
" Life before, and after, Blink."
" Come back blink - all is forgiven."
" The continuing search for Blink."
" The return, with Son of Blink."

I think all input should be appreciated as a contribution (however juvenile)
and only personal (uncalled for) vindictive degradation be moderated out.
(maybe punished? e.g. losing a GA point? - Just a suggestion)

jt.

I have no favourites; I can hate all persons equally.

Register to Reply
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#24

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 9:59 AM

I've tried to be reasonable here, but post #22 crosses the line.

Look, say what you will about me, but for God's sake, don't underestimate the threat of penguins. I have detailed the danger:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/338957

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/8802

I mapped out their strategy here:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/401300/Re-A-Threat-We-Can-t-Ignore-Penguins

Detailed their weapons here:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/504877

Worst of all, I even revealed the horrible event that led to my undying hatred of Penguins:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/487030

And still you guys equivocate. Is there no topic you are not willing to oppose me on, even if it means your opposition leads to the enslavement of the human race? I think you all have a lot to think about.

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#25
In reply to #24

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:29 AM

"but post #22 crosses the line"

your worst nightmare - my comedy facilitation - (but you know you're in it - martyr crack or not)

Kyzine

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#31
In reply to #25

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 12:31 PM

um....ok?

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5198
Good Answers: 266
#32
In reply to #24

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 1:03 PM
__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Register to Reply
The Engineer
Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Physics... United States - Member - NY Popular Science - Genetics - Organic Chemistry... Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Ingeniería en Español - Nuevo Miembro - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Albany, New York
Posts: 5170
Good Answers: 129
#33
In reply to #32

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 1:16 PM

Such an awesome game. I sense my productivity may suffer.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#36
In reply to #24

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 9:50 PM

Not worried. My army of leopard seals will maintain the balance of power.

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Engineering Fields - Transportation Engineering - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Technical Fields - Procurement - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Architectural Engineering - New Member Technical Fields - Marketing/Advertising - New Member Engineering Fields - Food Process Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mariposa Ca
Posts: 5804
Good Answers: 114
#34

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 2:30 PM

I think that SE considers this to be a thread where a substantial support is being shown for the the new moderation team

do any think the changes are positive?

I have been noticing difference in moderation since just before the 1st of the year. Running blink off is just another symptom of the changes in the overall picture of our forum [yes I know GS supplies the electrons].

When you triple the size of a crew handling a task, there is a need to justify their existence, by doing stuff.

read the last couple pages here for more

Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#37
In reply to #34

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:06 PM

SE would be wrong if he(she?) believes that to be the case. So far I have not been impressed at all with the moderation since the first of the year. Moderation decisions have been arbitrary and capricious. The moderators should consider themselves on probation. If things don't improve, Blink won't be the only person leaving.

You'll note that virtually every person posting on this thread has many many times more posts and/or GA's that SE does. There is a saying that says "don't try to teach your mother how to suck eggs"

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#38
In reply to #37

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 10:28 PM

Just to set a couple of things straight (or straighter...), the new team started roughly 3-4 weeks ago. I have noticed a considerable change and more consistency within the past couple days (less things being deleted, closed, etc.). Because some moderation decisions have been suspicious or may not make sense, moderators are starting to notify the user (or at least I have been) when I change a comment because it was flagged or for language or I leave a comment in the discussion if it was a guest. Because of the rocky transition between teams, it has been hard at times to train the new moderators and to make the CR4 community happy at the same time. This rough patch is not SavvyExacta's fault, it was a result of a hasty switch between teams.

There is no need to bash SavvyExacta for her lack of GAs/posts. As many of the members of CR4 have noted, GAs mean next to nothing. GAs are given for a variety of reasons, not just for clear, concise thoughts.

I am not saying that moderators should be given passes, but do give them credit where credit is due (less homework question threads are being closed, most left open because users requested it). Not everything the moderation team does is bad, it is just what everyone sees.

Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#41
In reply to #38

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:10 PM

Jaxy, as far as I am concerned, leave the homework threads open, nobody is going to give the OP anything useful anyway and we need to do something with these rotten tomatoes after all.

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#42
In reply to #38

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:11 PM

Jaxy, the trick of being a successful moderator is to moderate the absolute least possible. The problem of late has been that the moderators have been all together TOO visible. I've been here a couple of years now and have said some pretty rude things from time to time, but it wasn't until two weeks ago that i had one of my posts deleted, and it was something that was frankly not objectionable by my reading. The best you guys can do is just butt out until the long knives come out and then be judicious even then, otherwise you'll just be pouring gasoline on the fire.

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#44
In reply to #42

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/23/2010 11:49 PM

What you aren't seeing is that 99% of the last couple of days have been editing threads (for the daily digest) and not touching comments. The changes that I am referring to are recent (past 2-3 days), not two weeks ago. Recently, there has been what I would call 'light moderation.' For the most part, moderators have been butting out.

I can't speak for your deleted comment, but that was right when people were just getting used to moderating. We can't go back and change what happened in the past, we can only change how we approach things from now on, which is what we are doing.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#46
In reply to #44

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 12:52 AM

Thank you Jaxy

Your commitment to get this right shows everyone that things are never eaten as hot as they are cooked. I find it very good that you stand up for savvy extra and explain how the CR4 engine works. We are only human, and like I have said before, we should identify that not only our brains are contributing but our hearts as well.

Now that I know that female ethics/feelings/viewpoints are involved in the decision making and editing I can understand better how things can get a little bit out of hand. I hope this is not interpreted as sexist because it is really not. I am just reminding you and SE that blokes have sometimes the tendency to "speak shop" in a way that my mum would not only have disliked but she would have reprimanded every one then and there. No if or buts, that is!

I am a granddad now and nothing has changed in that respect. When I talk shop with the boys or my son me mum better not be there. If we sometimes behave like little kids just ignore and recognize that you will not get the boy out of the man.

There is a very, very fine line between patronizing ("matron'izing") and editing. Please consider the blokiness and the sometimes year long friendships that have developed here in CR4. Vermin, for example, could abuse me as hard as he likes, it would just be like water off a ducks back. For others it might seem like we hate each other but we love each other and recognize the tongue in cheek and POSL. I think you have friends that can handle you going off the handle and just get on with it, I'm sure.

If some of the friends I have here find that what I commented is repulsive or of bad taste they will let me know, by PM. I once gave Trans a lip full and should have done that through more private channels. I apologized and we got on with the job. Nothing too damaging that a friendly word could not make it right. Humor, good humor, dark humor, satire and all the other legitimate human traits (blond jokes) are to be learned and trained if to be interpreted as tasteful. I have problems in most of those departments but am picking up little tricks, while I'm at it.

My Rugby League team (Cowboys) lost last night. It was the Ref's fault, the bloody bastard. That's just sooo off topic Ky, now get to it!!

BTW, has anyone heard from baby bear?

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#56
In reply to #46

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 1:14 PM

Blame it on females not understanding 'guy' language all you want, but there are many male moderators too. There is probably a 50/50 split, and it isn't just the girls that are to blame.

I am one of the more lenient moderators in that I take the comment into context, asking myself the question: "How was this comment received?" Oftentimes, when I do this instead of taking these comments at face value, there are less moderation interventions. But this is specifically what I do.

babybear I haven't heard from him in a while.

-Jaxy

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#62
In reply to #56

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 7:05 PM

Hi Jaxi

There was no intention to blame. Just, maybe, to explain why this has all gone a bit pear shaped. I was just surprised to find female moderators at all. How would I know? Like finding a part made of gold in a system otherwise made up of 316. I was never interested how the CR4 machine works but have more insight now. If it would not have been for the weird sounds emanating, I would not even thought there was something wrong. If it's not broke, don't fix it, sort of a thing.

I am a great admirer of women and their ability to find solutions or look at things from a different angle. My wife of nearly 40 years is so inspirational that without her and her calming and "get real" attitude has saved me a lot of trouble. Although she has no idea what the technical problems are she can sense that I need moderation and I have learned that a neutral pole exists. I like and need it that way.

If you read any blame into what I have said I can only blame my inability to put matters into the proper wording, (tri-linguistically challenged).The last thing I would want, is to upset another human being, unless he/she displays recalcitrant behavior. I will have to deal with even avoiding that, in the future, possibly just like Blink is doing now, and just withdraw. Much to early for me though, I have so much to learn.

I remember the circumstances back then (with Ken) and think that his decision is not only the result of infighting here but the result of other matters interfering with him and his life. If one gives and gives and sees no return but childish obnoxious reflection on matters of great importance, then he is to be congratulated for leaving and to spend his time while looking forward to a deserved return on his input and the time spent doing so.

Say G'day to the team for me, have a great weekend, Ky.

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#63
In reply to #62

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 8:08 PM

I am not upset. I just wanted to make you aware that it isn't just females thinking some comments are rude. I will say that the moderation has gotten a lot better. The explanation has already been given, there were people not fully trained (aka didn't have real experience) and the transition was so fast that they didn't have time to adjust. Should it reflect poorly on anyone? No. It was an honest mistake and if people can get past this, I think they will find that everything will get better with time. That is what I have to tell myself every time something goes wrong. "Tomorrow will be a better day."

If people leave because of the past couple weeks of moderating, it is a shame, because the team is getting better all the time.

Have a good evening.

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Technical Services Manager Canada - Member - Army brat Popular Science - Cosmology - What is Time and what is Energy? Technical Fields - Architecture - Draftsperson Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Clive, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5898
Good Answers: 204
#67
In reply to #63

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 1:07 AM

I for one, am grateful that CR4 has chosen to continue this fabulous site, and am willing to forgive almost anything. I would like the 'rules' for fair posting to be explicit, so that I will know when my behavior put's my writing at risk. I think a placeholder might be an idea for posts that are removed entirely. That way, there is at least a clue as to what happened.

Thank you all CR4 personnell and supporters.

Chris

Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#68
In reply to #67

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 1:32 AM

Thank you for being supportive. The idea for having a notice for removed votes has been discussed. Everyone has really good ideas, which is really reassuring. I cannot tell you when or if all of these wonderful ideas for improving CR4 and its moderation will be implemented, but rest assured that they are being seriously considered.

Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Engineering Fields - Transportation Engineering - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Technical Fields - Procurement - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Architectural Engineering - New Member Technical Fields - Marketing/Advertising - New Member Engineering Fields - Food Process Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mariposa Ca
Posts: 5804
Good Answers: 114
#59
In reply to #46

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 5:55 PM

Got a PM from Baby Bear last week

He's busy moving...

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#61
In reply to #59

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 6:12 PM

Thanks Garthh

Hope he finds a more relaxed environment to spread his gentle spirit from, Ky.

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#45
In reply to #38

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 12:07 AM

I agree. please accept my GA wish.

"Evaluation" of anyone on GA ratio - especially a new arrival - who may take GA's as meaningful measure - is "a low act".

Cracks like that may just kill the chance of an escape from the past woes.

Ms Exacta is faced with a process of trial and error to find moderators who understand the substance and are free of bias in the gamut of topics discussed.

There are several clues indicating she has acted on "slash and burn moderation".

It will take time for her to innovate past entrenched concepts, like absolute power and moderating based in personal views, likes and dislikes.

What she is doing is talking, which is a first, and, even more remarkably, giving thought to solutions - not the traditional glib dismissal.

It might have started out "by wrote" - but it's changed radically.

Register to Reply
3
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4485
Good Answers: 245
#47

Re: Thanks for the Memories

04/24/2010 2:26 AM

Thanks so much to the entire CR4 community: the members, the guests, (you know... the ones who are not pond scum) the admin team, the old moderators, and the new moderators -- who I trust will get it all figured out. Perhaps I'll be back, and I will certainly try to peek in now and then.

In these threads, there have been plenty of bust-ups, lots of fun challenges, loads of collaboration, great mutual support, lots of things to learn, patient teaching, positively wonderful wit, and a little mischief. I am happy to have played a small part in this place over the last 4 years.

I remember Roger fighting the good fight re climate change -- he put a great deal of effort and passion into clearing up misconceptions. Like him, I was often frustrated by people who would declare scientists to be a bunch of politically motivated nitwits, without being able to supply any evidence to support their contention. I looked back on one of those old threads, and I can see that I could have been gentler and more effective at times: maybe it's not necessary to both slice your opponent's head off, and run his body through the Cuisinart. Pots and kettles are often about the same shade of black.

There are strong personalities here, and quirks and foibles and warts, and to be honest, five of you have really bad BO... which I have not known how to bring up before. These factors can create friction, and fire, and that gives this place life.

I am terribly flattered by the recent outpouring of support, the encouragement to stay, etc. Although I am the only one among you who is perfect in all ways, there are others who show promise. I'd mention names, but I can't think of any right now... it's hard to focus while simultaneously typing and walking on water. If there is anything about the site that appears to suffer from my absence, then fill in for me: just copy the Blinkish parts you like, and throw out the ugly bits.

As the balloon fills, let me tell you a little [brevquot exceeded, process aborted]

__________________
There is more to life than just eating mice.
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Defreestville, NY
Posts: 1072
Good Answers: 87
#51
In reply to #47

Re: Thanks for the Memories

04/24/2010 5:54 AM

It's been a pleasure reading your posts. Farewell.

__________________
Charlie don't surf.
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Not a New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK. Going under cover.
Posts: 9687
Good Answers: 467
#53
In reply to #47

Re: Thanks for the Memories

04/24/2010 7:22 AM

'bye, Blink. Will miss you.

John

__________________
"Love justice, you who rule the world" - Dante Alighieri
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Cypress Calif
Posts: 741
Good Answers: 23
#55
In reply to #47

Re: Thanks for the Memories

04/24/2010 12:50 PM

Hello Blink:

At times you are pretentious and arrogant, just kidding (well mostly) but your input has always been respected whether I necessarily agreed are not. I hate to see you go, if nothing else your practical application and the undoubted grease under your fingernails is an admirable trait.

I would hope you would reconsider, while I'm sure it was not your intentions an inevitable consequence of your withdrawal has been some disturbing polarization and subsequent comments on this thread (not by you by others). As you've previously stated differences of opinion with strong personalities are inevitable. I feel no need to comment on who is right or wrong, but certainly preserving the debate is worthwhile.

__________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" George Shaw
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16498
Good Answers: 661
#48

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 3:13 AM

Look, if you all don't stop squabbling I'm going to have to come over there, bang your heads together and send you all to bed with no supper.
If that doesn't work I'll get Mrs Cat to give you all one of her hard stares .

Seriously though...I think anyone who calls on God or Religion should have the post pulled. There are plenty of places to discus that stuff...jeez I believe they even have special buildings for the purpose in almost every town and village (in several different flavours!)...I even get people knocking on my door to discuss it.
It beggars belief...to use the cockney vernacular 'just leave it out'
I'm sure that should any Dieties exist they are quite cablable of squabbling amongst themselves without our help.
Blimey I don't go knocking on doors to recruit people onto electronics courses.
Stop it!
Del <click... Atheist rant mode off>

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
2
Anonymous Poster
#49
In reply to #48

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 3:46 AM
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16498
Good Answers: 661
#50
In reply to #49

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 4:01 AM

Ah, but is that evolution or creationism (with some help from photoshop)
Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#65
In reply to #50

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 9:11 PM

creationism with photoshop of course!

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
3
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4485
Good Answers: 245
#66

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/24/2010 9:55 PM

... screaming to be heard, as the balloon drifts still further (and while thinking about less fiber/more cheese in his diet, to quell the verbal diarrhea):

This thread may appear mildly contentious, but I believe it represents the things that are very good about CR4. Yes, we can be nerds, focused only on tech, but we can also be human, and I am pretty damned impressed by the eloquence and good humor on the several sides of the issues. That Roger retains his sense of humor after being attacked by me, (a perception that is not his alone) says much about his good character. That people leap to his defense says good things about their character. That all of you have taken the time to say something, anything, on one side or another of the issues is impressive. I say screw the guy who's leaving, because his absence will not make any difference at all. The important, valuable thing is that you can see the issues, care about them, and work toward a better future.

As I have written before, if religion is not to be discussed on this site, then you cannot allow several hundred posts that say "Jesus is Lord. Praise the Lord." The person who puts this in every post is quite likely not intending to offend. But he needs to be made aware (I suggested this to admin several years ago) that such statements are not OK here. This would seem to be simple as pie to fix, but it has not been fixed. The "rule" then, is rendered invalid, because it is not enforced. (This relates to a common principal in law.) The rule has been operationally defined: In practice, we have a free- for-all, with no clear guidance.

We therefore ended up with several posts in Roger's thread that characterize fundamentalism as a "problem" because there is no longer a rule -- it is, in practice, OK to write things very strongly supporting one religion over all others... or dissing certain segments. Thus we can expect all religious sides of an issue, (any issue) to be debated. I think that this is wrong for CR4, but CR4 has decided by selective moderation (by demonstrating the rules in practice) that this is the way it should be -- at least for the time being. I think that the dialogue here, in which you (all) seem to be deciding (or at least clarifying) some of these issues, with user input is a good thing. If GlobalSpec desires a certain religious profile for their advertisers, users may be overruled -- but my simplistic thinking would suggest that the users here might represent customers for their advertiser's products.

With an ambiguous definition of what is allowable, and with the stage set (by the many references to religion and the church in Roger's blog) we got post number 2 in Roger's blog, which does indeed discuss religion, and which appears to come from someone we have thought of as a CR4 voice. (I am unclear on who's who, at this point. I did not know that Roger was just another member until after we had our pissing urination contest, nor was I aware that an ordinary member can instantly shut down discussion in a thread.)

As if to demonstrate that the rule is entirely ambiguous, my post re why I am leaving was closed because it was "religious" -- that's what the message in red strongly suggests: "Religion is not an on-topic discussion for CR4." (The thread was not about religion, it was about why I am leaving.) It was about, in part, the interpretation of rules. It was about my being ticked off at Roger, because, at the time, I believed him to be a CR4 mouthpiece.

This post (the one you are struggling through now) has mentioned several words associated with religion. Should it therefore be yanked? Until there is clarity about what the rule means, then perhaps there should be no moderation along religious lines? Is my view that [all religious views should be treated equally] religious in itself? Therefore, should the part in brackets be considered "not allowed" in posts?

Certainly, CR4 has ultimate say over how they want this stuff interpreted. I think it would be wise for CR4 to work with members to devise an approach that is enforceable and will be enforced. That all the responders in this thread are acting respectful of one another, despite differing views, suggests that this can be worked out.

Over-moderation and inconsistent moderation (and the perception of each) are probably not the fault of the moderation staff as much the fault of unclearly defined rules. For the perception of moderation to change, the rules must be both clearly defined and clearly communicated. I've been here 4 years, and I've always guessed at what is meant by the rule about religious and political posts really means.

I was completely unaware of a central difference between CR4 blogs and threads. The idea that a blog can be shut down because comments do not support the author's idea for the blog is surprising to me. It makes the "comments" more of a cheering section and less a discussion. That may be something that should be clearly communicated to members. Otherwise, the blogger could feel offended by the counter posts that are par for the course with discussion threads. Responders who thought there was two-way communication could be offended by having the discussion stopped in the middle.

Perhaps you can, among you, come up with a list to show limits of acceptable discussion. "God is dead." "God is dead. (Nietzsche)" "Religion is the opiate of the people" Do any of these seem too religious to be acceptable? Perhaps for issues like these, a survey function (as Chris has proposed) would be great.

__________________
There is more to life than just eating mice.
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16498
Good Answers: 661
#69
In reply to #66

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 2:25 AM

Funnilly enough, I was out front yesterday with Mrs Cat tackling some Pampas grass which has got a bit too big and some JWs approached to see if I wanted to talk about the G thing. (no I wanted to tackle the Pampas grass)

Ha! My previous post had primed me, so I pre-empted the couple (who were good humoured) by saying...
'Look, I'll do you a deal, I won't try to persuade you to take up electronics or making longbows.... You don't try to persuade me to take up your stuff'
He's in the garage now makin' a bow.....
No, seriously he grinned and said 'fair enough'
Del

BTW... I wonder why the base of that Pampas smells of cat pee.

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 20964
Good Answers: 780
#70
In reply to #69

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/25/2010 2:51 AM

If a cat wants to climb up 1.8m up a stalk of pampas grass and spray on it, you can get this experience at nose level....

(I'm a cat person too, despite a few "leakers", so I'm not complaining--just sayin'.)

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#74
In reply to #70

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 8:46 AM

At the top of this thread I was a little confused.

By the middle of the thread I understood a little but there was a lot more where I was clueless.

After #70 I don't even have a clue as to why I am trying to read this.

I'm starting to understand why many people think that engineering is one of the most effective forms of contraception.

Why doesn't everyone go ahead and start using 4 letter words?

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#75
In reply to #74

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 9:14 AM

After #70 I don't even have a clue as to why I am trying to read this. .

Try reading BBT (bath braking technique) and after that you will understand how CR4 works.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#76
In reply to #75

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 9:47 AM

I don't

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#77
In reply to #76

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 10:08 AM

He's trying to say we are an insane lot, and we'll go on and on about the weirdest things, over-analyzing the preposterous.

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15106
Good Answers: 936
#78
In reply to #77

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 10:15 AM

What do you mean by that? Just because sanity can be defined as a frame of mind doesn't mean that all minds can be framed.....

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#79
In reply to #75

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 4:04 PM

I looked at the Bath Breaking Technique http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/13355?Pg=135. I'm sorry but my mother won't let me play in this sandbox any more.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#80
In reply to #79

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 4:19 PM

You never know what sort of "presents" Del may have left for you to find.... =b

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Engineering Fields - Transportation Engineering - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Technical Fields - Procurement - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Popular Science - Cosmology - New Member Engineering Fields - Architectural Engineering - New Member Technical Fields - Marketing/Advertising - New Member Engineering Fields - Food Process Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mariposa Ca
Posts: 5804
Good Answers: 114
#81
In reply to #79

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/26/2010 7:01 PM

Aw the waters fine

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#82
In reply to #81

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/27/2010 2:08 AM

He seemed a much nicer guest too. What a shame.

But maybe he will come back - after all this settles out and his mum might find it interesting.

Onbestunder8behaviourzine

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Power-User
Hobbies - Automotive Performance - education, never enough!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: latitude, 35.080N. longitude -106.387W. Abq. N.M.
Posts: 236
Good Answers: 17
#83
In reply to #66

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 1:13 PM

(first off this was going to your personal e-mail but decided to post it here so it reads as such) Hey Blink, So apparently I have some serious catching up to do. I've been so busy trying to meet some critical deadlines that I haven't had the opportunity to get on CR4. So you needn't explain anything, I'll go through the list and read through it all at some point. Some of the pressures off me now and I can get to dedicate some time to, fun(?) reading on all this.

Just for your eye's from another supporter: I almost feel that the "Free Speech" aspect of CR4 forum really took a turn for the worse in recent months. (admin and others, please excuse my current ignorance to any changes or such since I've been gone awhile) When they changed the title on my thread on pseudoscience, I was like "seriously?" I couldn't remotely find any reason for that and no one at admin would give me a little hint as to what I had titled wrong or suggestion for future postings.

I realize this maybe should go on the main site but on a personal note: I've really enjoyed reading your comments as many have. Not that I didn't learn a thing or two as well. Your approach to commenting on many of the subjects and rebuttals speaks well of the type of person you are. Who dare say "opinionated" aren't we all in our own minds? I will add with out your participation in this forum my interest in participation and or taking precious time of my life to read through this forum will be with perhaps less interest. My time is the most valuable asset of which I feel, that how I use it, carries immense responsibilities yet is part of my valued freedom.

If you are to no longer participate, I personally will miss your hand at the keys of your voice, of which I've grown to know and appreciate. Many Kudo's amigo.

__________________
...the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. -- Cicero , 55 BC
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1160
Good Answers: 36
#84
In reply to #83

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 1:58 PM

Just a quick tip on thread titles. I believe the main reason that your title was edited was because it was simply too long. Changing titles is subjective, but some of the reasons that thread titles are changed are due to:

  • Capitalization
  • Proper Grammar/Punctuation
  • Spelling
  • Making Title More Relevant to Thread Content

I am not entirely sure why your thread was edited that way, but the reason I stated above is my best guess.

Register to Reply
Power-User
Hobbies - Automotive Performance - education, never enough!

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: latitude, 35.080N. longitude -106.387W. Abq. N.M.
Posts: 236
Good Answers: 17
#85
In reply to #84

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 4:30 PM

THANK YOU very much Jaxy, I will keep those in the forefront of my mind in any future postings. I think, as Chris288, mentioned above: that the 'rules' for fair posting to be explicit" or ideas along that line be made available. There may be something like that already and I haven't explored that arena. I know you responded to him that there are good ideas coming along those lines.

This is a really great forum. It's one of many but really the only one I feel that has less, dare I say, "flakes" as some of the others. Or, basically some of the others are not containing the intellectual capacities this site does or may only have a seemly handful of people who participate.

__________________
...the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. -- Cicero , 55 BC
Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16498
Good Answers: 661
#86
In reply to #85

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 5:54 PM

or may only have a seemly handful of people who participate.
Do any of them have cats?
Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Petroleum Engineering - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 3403
Good Answers: 149
#87
In reply to #86

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 6:17 PM

Got two! ya want one? and wouldn't that be slavery? a cat owning another cat?

__________________
Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member Australia - Member - Torn and breading Engineering Fields - Nanoengineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Magnetic Island, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3721
Good Answers: 74
#88
In reply to #85

Re: Farewell to Blink

04/28/2010 9:16 PM

Good to see your still here Mate

Its all a bit of a storm in a tea cup really. Just humans, reacting to a problem/issue in a different way, from a different perspective and from different back grounds and levels of education. Some red faces, some apologies, nothing an hour long face to face could not have resolved.

It is a sad out come to loose such a prolific member. Maybe the same happened with "sparkstation" http://cr4.globalspec.com/member?u=11216 and he would not even explain but just disappear into thin air. Just had enough, sort of a thing. W#hat a waste.

It reminds of the joke were parents intervene in a fight that children have, only to start fighting with them self's, while the kids continue to have a great time in the sand box, just in the back ground. Not that I call all reactions or statements infantile, nor the editors grown ups but you should imagine the editing room and what goes on there or on their screens at times. I betcha there'd be some discussions going on at times.

Well, they decided to govern so let them work it out. I for one am more interested in getting some work done.

Since weeks I am thinking of giving you some updates on my projects but informing people about never ending stories can hardly be helpful. Let me make it short:

I am on the cases, with some thanks to you. Talk to you soon, Ky.

__________________
The Twain Has Met
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 88 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (14); artsmith (5); Bayes (6); Blink (3); BruceFlorida (1); chrisg288 (3); Del the cat (4); dkwarner (1); Doorman (1); Garthh (3); Jaxy (7); JohnDG (1); jt (1); ky (6); naturalextraction (2); ozzb (3); phoenix911 (5); redfred (4); Rorschach (10); SavvyExacta (3); stevem (1); Tornado (3); YWROADRUNNER (1)

Previous in Forum: Poetry Month   Next in Forum: Gear Pump Versus Rotary Vane Pump

Advertisement