"I do not know why whole world do hate us?" - I think hate is the wrong word, here, tho' if you start asking for financial backing from anyone vulnerable enough to be suckered into it, I may change my mind.

I don't think you're going to get a very positive reception on CR4.

I have also developed a working design of a magnetic source of energy but no one will listen until it has been perfected and proven.

Its it not, therefore, a thing of curiosity where their wisdom has come from?

Ever since the GFC (Global financial Crisis) sucked up all the play money. The very people who might have been interested in funding this VCD (Venture Capital Device) are no longer in a position to do so.

In fact VCD's are now as popular as junk bonds, and Ponzi schemes to the financial community and as such you will find it near impossible to get seed capital to further develop your business plan.

If you have spent 20 years developing this "Technology" and still are at the R&D stage without a viable proof of concept proto type to show for it then I'm afraid you will be met with further scepticism.

No. Sir thats not correct.

I will not meet to further scepticism. Infact I have acieved succes in this project. I have completed my designe and now am developing the parts and then I will assemble those parts.

"Infact I have acieved succes in this project" How can you say that with NO PROOF!

What a wonderful contraption!

Does it breach the KrisDel^TM Corporation's Patent application?

How much power does it consume to magnetize the magnets?

There is No power required to magnetise the magnets because magnets used are permanent and no need to magnetise theses artificially.

Fancy that - they just self mine, self refine, self smelt and self align. Magic.

Magnets can be shielded. I am basically Material testing Engineer. I have tested more than 2000 materials in my lab. Although it has been proved that magnets can not be shield completely but to some degree they can be shield. I have proof on that.

Energy stored in magnets is permanent and it can be converted in to mechanical energy.

I have devised a system in which there is No need to separate the magnets for next turn. motion do occur continuously. I invite you to come here in Pakistan to see it actually.

<...come here in Pakistan to see it actually...>

At whose expense?

<sigh>

Now as I am near to complete my research I am faced by other unwanted challenges like every educated person dislikes research of this kind, they consider this as fraud. Scientific community considers this as unwanted and weird. No any research grant is offered to scientist who is engaged in this type of research. There is ban on this research in universities in anywhere in the world. No patent can be granted to person who claim to have developed this kind of device. I do not know why whole world do hate us?

Please see previous threads on CR4 on the subject as myself and others have covered perpetual motion, pseudoscience, basic electricity, basic physics, magnetism theory, conducting proper tests and the laws of energy conservation before.

Hopefully you will come to realise WHY the scientific community is not taking you seriously. Surely this has been explained to you before? If not perhaps if you ask some specific questions here nicely and one of us will re-explain the concepts in a way you can both understand AND scientifically prove and verify yourself (rather than taking the word of others).

We don't hate you, we just laugh at your ignorance. Did you sleep through thermodynamics or what?

Listen Dear,

What I feel, you must not think about odds. You are doing a very good job. I wish successful completion of your project very soon. For resourses you have to think of alternatives. If you are not getting help of any Labs based in USA, you must think of alternative source. I believe answer is within you. You again think where is the sourse. Wish you very best of luck. God bless you.

Karunakar Singh

Always good when Mr. Overunity, brings his own Fanboy...

If you're not getting help form any lab in USA, try Iran. They are playing scientists, too.

".. more than 20 year on this research.." Well, I'd expect a small working prototype by now if it was MY money.

I've seen a few of these over unity machines and I've been amazed by how complicated (and beautifully made) they are. If I was doing it I'd make it as simple as possible - just the working principle - nothing else, prove the concept and then rake in the money.

Hate you? No, we feel sorry for you.

They do not hate. Only deplore.

http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/03_3.cfm

Bioramani

Ethics & Values

03.3 PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINES

(Adopted by Council on April 04, 2003)

The American Physical Society deplores attempts to mislead and defraud the public based on claims of perpetual motion machines or sources of unlimited useful energy, unsubstantiated by experimentally tested established physical principles

The device on which I am working is not based upon perpetual motion. It is neither free energy based.

I have not committed any crime or fraud!

If you think I am misleading the public why should I do so?

is it wrong to research on some thing that might be the solution of biggest problem of the world?

<...is it wrong to research on some thing that might be the solution of biggest problem of the world?...>

Of course not. Without it the world would not have solutions to smallpox, diptheria and a whole host of other nasty things.

True research requires its publication and critical validation among peers if it is to be held of value. The problem is that any device that seems to operate outside the Laws of Thermodynamics will be subject to a great deal of critical scrutiny and rejection by those who have understood the full implications of those three simple laws.

So here's a deep question:

• Having studied and understood all the reasons why the shielded-magnet perpetual motion machines featured in the Museum of Unworkable Devices in the link above don't work, how does this newly-advocated device differ in a way that makes it work when the others do not?

A solid, credible answer would be un-hatable.

Ok...got me thinking, please explain the shielded magnet devices.

Drew

Do check-out the Museum of Unworkable Devices in the link above. √

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It is on individual how to develop resources. I do not think any one like to take potential energy and make application of common use one is looking on.

There are two things we all are looking and they are

1. Democratized energy

2. Make energy available to remote areas on the planet.

First one is personnel power and you carry power generation unit with you so you do not have to worry changing voltage, phases and wire type to carry during your travel to run you mobile systems like Mobile phone, computer, electrical shaver etc

Other one is stationary power you need to have reliable source independent of grid so when grid fails you can use it for emergency room surgery, make fire truck run without oil or gas and other critical application

In either case you need to come out and make world survive longer by dropping consumption of middle east oil to pollute globe.

For first one if you like to explore and use mechanical talent is the are of solar, wind and Occam current based on your resident

for second one it is solid oxide fuel cell, or other green energy sources.

A successful research is part of organizing research on local vendor development and local source to have a product. How long you can make excuse I can not do since I have no resource for development. If you develop that resource you will be developing a product which is based on reliable resources and as you improve product quality you do improve resource quality in your country.

New product is not only your product but it also count on how to sustain its commerical auspect. Look on any big development from locomotive to computer in western world and software and call center in India. They struggled and developed local resources to support it development and growth.

"... Occam current ..." - you intrigue me - do tell more ...

There is hell lot of energy in the wave which comes to shore and we can convert that energy to power using few types of glass and ceramic materials cheap and to have proof of concept you can do with metal rods one which if you can get hand on is gallium rod

Ocean beach has more power and stays longer time than solar conversion and Occam power will be more reliable for critical use but we do not have enough use at Occam beach

Can you give us some links, please?

<...Occam current...>

Razio waves? Er, perhaps not.

Surely as a mechanical engineer you must know how a generator functions i.e it converts mechanical energy to electrical energy. Let me ask you a very simple question: what happens when an object reaches the equilibrium point between the force of gravity and the force of magnetic attraction? That's right, it remains suspended between the 2 conflicting forces. It does not oscillate up and down, it will remain still instead. So, with no mechanical energy to convert to electrical energy, HOW can your device ever possibly work????!!!!

Have you been getting people to invest in your little science project? If you have, you would have just answered your own question why people hate you. Who likes being scammed? Nobody. So instead of complaining about why people hate you, maybe you should spend your time doing something genuinely productive instead.

Really, if you were one of my subordinates, I would have had you handed over to Jabba the Hutt as a snack for his pet sarlacc.

First at all just to know how serious you are, you should say which is your magnetic source or source of magnetic material to be de-magnetized along the process for conversion to mech. energy,2)tell us,as much energy you expect obtain per kg.of magnetic material and show us your calculations,3)Don't tell us any detail of your device under rights patents considerations, just indicate the process .-

No, no, no!

Don't mention de-magnetization - if this were possible, OP wouldn't have attained over-unity. His device would suck all the juice from the magnet(s) before teabreak.

You must accept that these are Permanent Magnets, otherwise 20-odd years of wasted time would be wasted.

1. magnetic source from permanent magnets.

2. energy per kg of magnet depends upon the No of poles of magnets that you are using also it depends upon number of other factors. I can not disclose all those here.

3. Process is very simple. magnets are shielded or insulated by some shielding material or insulation. if you do so rotor (That is also a magnet) is turned towards another pole when it reaches to second pole it carries insulation or shield by itself and insulation /shielding is activated again and hence process goes on.

My questions now should change depending on you are or you are not an energy conservation law believer.In any case:1)I don't think you were clear where to get from natural sources the magnets (assuming you are a believer and it will get demagnetized after extracting its magnetic energy);2)You didn't a straight answer about the energy you could get even when is not so hard:engineers could say as much energy requires to magnetize a piece of iron or other material and so,if you are a believer,you could give an straight answer.There are several ways to destroy a magnet, a way for that is just heating, so may be we could extract the magnets from your mines heats and then the extra heat obtained be used in an thermal common machine.Any engineer could say as much energy expect to obtain.May be you didn't meseaure the medium value of energy per kg of material you obtaine in your magnets mines.3)OK,let's say piece of iron (acting as a piston) attached to some crankshaft, the piston head facing a magnet which is in the center of a cilindrical shield, shield with a rectangular window,let's say this cilindrical shield could spin by an electrical motor,so then when windows face the piston this last one is atracted to the center of machine due the shield keeps rotating piston is released and go back again and so on..Is that your invention?.If we use an electrostatic field instead a magnetic one like an electrified glass or resin ,even better a high volage charged resin cured in such way it is not going to loss its charges so easily,the electostatic shield is so easy to make and so perfect (no special devices).Lets say the spinning cilindrical shield is grounded so the field escapes just thru the window.Should i run to the patent office with this "invention"?.Would you help us to discover the behavior of such devices like these?.-If you discover a way to destroy the Earth magnetic field for profit i'll hate you,if you discover such stupid machine works, i hate you more.You didn't get the right to be hated by another.You just feel to be a kind of not well understood genius and now with help of an ass you could add some kind of conspiracy of petrol companies against you.In sake of your mind and soul health take a breath to think just the posibility you are wrong.-

Please try some punctuation in your ramblings. That might make them readable, if not coherent.

The rant was good , but hard to follow [probably done on an apple]

at the request of lynlynch

see below, enjoy

My questions now should change depending on you are or you are not an energy conservation law believer.In any case:

1)I don't think you were clear where to get from natural sources the magnets (assuming you are a believer and it will get demagnetized after extracting its magnetic energy);

2)You didn't a straight answer about the energy you could get even when is not so hard:engineers could say as much energy requires to magnetize a piece of iron or other material and so,if you are a believer,you could give an straight answer.

There are several ways to destroy a magnet, a way for that is just heating, so may be we could extract the magnets from your mines heats and then the extra heat obtained be used in an thermal common machine.Any engineer could say as much energy expect to obtain.May be you didn't meseaure the medium value of energy per kg of material you obtaine in your magnets mines.

3)OK,let's say piece of iron (acting as a piston) attached to some crankshaft, the piston head facing a magnet which is in the center of a cilindrical shield, shield with a rectangular window,let's say this cilindrical shield could spin by an electrical motor,so then when windows face the piston this last one is atracted to the center of machine due the shield keeps rotating piston is released and go back again and so on..Is that your invention?.

If we use an electrostatic field instead a magnetic one like an electrified glass or resin ,even better a high volage charged resin cured in such way it is not going to loss its charges so easily,the electostatic shield is so easy to make and so perfect (no special devices).Lets say the spinning cilindrical shield is grounded so the field escapes just thru the window.Should i run to the patent office with this "invention"?.

Would you help us to discover the behavior of such devices like these?.-If you discover a way to destroy the Earth magnetic field for profit

i'll hate you,if you discover such stupid machine works, i hate you more.You didn't get the right to be hated by another.

You just feel to be a kind of not well understood genius and now with help of an ass you could add some kind of conspiracy of petrol companies against you.

In sake of your mind and soul health take a breath to think just the posibility you are wrong.-

Garthh,

Thanks.

Unfortunately, it's even worse with punctuation!

this discussion is like herding cats into a class room to teach them calculus

Sorry to be rough - but your "magnetic shielding" is total BS.

A magnetic shield is necessarily a ferromagnetic material which attracts magnetic fields from any direction. Shielding magnets on the stator will make the rotor magnets to attract those shields which will "freeze" the rotor in stepping positions and a full rotation will never happen.

Do a favor to anyone here: stop your crazy claims and don't use anyone's money. Use just yours until bankruptcy. I hope you have no family to suffer from this.

I won't even go there. At least I don't have to worry about Pakistan becoming the new technology center of the world.

The only energy that magnets have is to attract ferromagnetic substances or attract or repel other magnets. The action is strictly reciprocal. There is no way this can be tapped other than such as tapping gravitational potential energy of water stored at a height to generate hydro electric power. The water that comes down stays down. It is a one way street. In your system of magnets a similar situation will exist. 2o years is too long to spend on such a doomed chase. It would be best if you can get off this project and take to something more rewarding. Bioramani

The only energy that magnets have is to attract other magnets or ferromagnetic materials and enough to make a device which can convert this energy in to mechanical energy. You are right that this energy can not be tapped directly but it is possible to tap this energy in indirect way.

The world waits with baited breath....

Yes master

Actually, I think Blink gave you the best advice here: http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/11456?Pg=2#comment109398

Having filed patents, then only discuss this in secret with potential investors. Do not count on a patent for protection. Never discuss any details of any sort on a forum like this one or anywhere else.

Note: Italics are mine.

a patent isn,t worth much if you can't afford to defend it

were the particular technology the OP has postulated actually be possible.

there would be no way to defend the patent, over unity generation stations would pop up across the planet, nearly over night

Not worth am sure neither he will be able to do global patent and patents in individual countries wants to sale the product.

Product is so simple is not he will not be able to defend that. We have hard time in US to defend and extract money from other firm he is poor inventor.

Will strongly suggest do what Coca Cola did keep as trade secret and keep in chest

mind you I don't believe there is anything to what he is claiming,

if there were he should not be so much as breathing a word

Could you explain occam beach?

Ceramic of the type Piezoelectric (one of the example is lead-zirconium titanate) when you heat this material will generate power.

When you have cloth of lead zirconium titanate on the Occam beach then it will produce power

The power production is more than solar which is currently standard.

If you want more I will provide you full details

Good luck in the U.S. Grants are usually funded by the government and as we are seeing, the government is funded by big oil companies. They don't want alternative energy sources. You might do better to look for funding in Europe. I have heard there are many opportunities for reasearch in Belgium at the moment.

Thanks for your responce. Please could you tell any firm or compnay that fund project like mine?

I will highly apperciate if you could send me names along with thier website to my email address azeeco@hotmail.com

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Send a working prototype to Dodgy Dave's lock-up on Canvey Island by the end of the week and I'll see what I can do. <Splutter>

We are not world resources. We have to develop our own resources and develop our own technology and manpower to support. We have done enough for the world. We have done right or wrong but we did in Afghanistan and Iraq. How much our money now Pakistan need to grow their technology

I think that you are probable being open minded about magnetic power. we know that a magnetic motor has already been patented in the USA by a college professor.

And that we are finding new types of energy to develop such as that in the big bang theories with anti gravity and compressed gravity in black holes.

I think that a lot of the inventions that have been made have been covered up.

Yes you can go on utube and see alot of hoxe vidios and a lot of hoxe scams to get you to buy something or other.

But if you realy belive that you have found a way of produceingpower from magnite then could you please share your work with use.

I am a firm beliver that thier is some kind of other power source out there waitng to be discovered. It would be like during the second world war when hevey water was the most inportant thing. But after the war we found it could be obtained almost every wear.

I am behind you all the way and wish every succes in your plite. and i admire your determination to prove your device.

Good luck.

Please define "they" and "us".

what has happed to the missing posts.

Missing posts?

Verrry interrresting--but stuupid. [Trike falls over.]

You have to be of a certain age to appreciate that one...

Naw

Never too old for a Martini & a cigarette

You bet your sweet bippy!

Sock it to me!

LOL