Magnet Energy

Must be a bean counter or MBA! They are the only ones who think you can manage to get something for nothing.

What people are saying is that with no input there is no output. Solar panels have the sun - wind turbines have the wind - hydro plants have the water.

You get nothing for nothing.

You must be in marketing or something similar. The 3 GAs were handed out for putting forward convincing arguments why the OP is pursuing a fool's errand, namely that you cannot produce energy without imparting energy.

The arguments you put forward for branding, support et al are all, to put in bluntly, bunkum. What's the point of having all these so-called value-added services if you lack the most important element of all, namely a viable product to sell? The OP wants to create an impossible device, an over-unity machine. What's the point of him having good PR and marketing etc when he can never deliver his product? If anything, it will only make things worse for him because he would now be committing fraud.

Next time, please try to exercise a little intelligence before posting.

"I'm NOT arguing for free energy from magnets, I'm just suggesting a CR4er's might do well with a little less-free bandwagon-ing GAs on comments with such large questionable leaps...."

Thanks for your unsolicited critique, I think.

I suggest that you and magnext are the only ones here taking, "large questionable leaps...."

Crikey! Not another. Where are all these people coming from?

That in itself might be termed 'perpetual motion'....

You Can generate energy at no cost with magnets, but you have to transport them back in time, or forward in time to do it. In the present moment, you can't, because it violates the laws of physics. full stop.

Chris

'Interested in developing a device which can generate energy at no cost'.

You and about a billion other people! Like others have pointed out - no way!

Why to use mangnets? It cost money! Why won't you use gravitation?! It is really free!

Nice explanation in terms of energy without getting abstract.

The idea of producing energy for free from magnets (magically moving past wires, we assume) has already been attempted thousands of times by other people who chose not to remain awake during physics class.

i think i m failure

Agreed.

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not again!!!!!

Hi,

build a treadmill to be operated by waiting customers or other people without useful work to do. A big one to enter and a small one to be rotated by hand, located on some counter with an indicator of power.

DC-generator for converting mechnaical into electrical energy and a battery and charger for storage. And access for children to play with these and some benefits (candies?) given to the players.!

RHABE

How much power is generated at what capital cost?

Totally negative - outside of a toy.

Most of the posts have interpreted your request as requiring no input apart from the presence of magnetic 'fields'.

You could interpret your request as generating energy of a particular sort at no (financial) cost, in which case you would be looking to transform a zero marginal cost energy input (solar etc).

What was your intention?

Well you guys seem to have this one well in hand

I think you should re-read the Einstein understanding of things atomic in 1905. It does not say that he understood all that energy was there. In fact it says that he was quoted in the '30's as saying. "Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of the atom is talking moonshine."

He is the author of mass-energy equivlance, but not of nuclear fission. Newton did not know about energy in the way it is currently understood, and we should not attribute too much there. (ref)

Chris

I agree with you. Couple a dorks.

Couple a of dorks.

As a business person you must realize that as costs go down profit rises (given all else stays the same). Then just think how much of the costs could be save on payroll and other employee benefits if you eliminated them! No/low cost and almost infinite profit...just like free energy!

(Oh yeah, that's right...this is the current practice of a lot of companies these days)

Dear Magnext Please post me the means to contact you. Please post me your business card information. Thank you. A.M.B.

BUT what stops me from proceeding further is while we apply mechanical load to magnetic motion, it stops

Correct, due to the laws of physics, energy conservation, electricity, etc this will ALWAYS happen.

You are certainly not the first one to try this, but please have a look at previous threads on CR4 covering magnetic motors, generators and perpetual motion first as we have covered the topic, theory and practical applications in great detail over the years. The simple answer is it won't work how you expect it to work.

I think there is a lot to be discovered- all who have said perpetual motion is impossible ignore the motion of the earth & other related bodies in space- yes it seems that known-by-man laws on earth concur- but what about the motion of atoms for instance- or quantum physics?.

These considerations probably do not matter in the LONG run. Sure, the solar system is enormously massive, with a relatively small rate of energy dissipation (and entropy increase). So it will run a long time more. However, if anyone attempts to tap this energy, the solar system will simply wind down faster than otherwise. And no, the deniers of perpetual motion do not ignore planetary motion. That's just another pseudoscientific canard.

Right - As the old saying goes, 'a little knowledge can be dangerous'.

The examples given are bogus - totally!

The OP made a post and removed it as I was writing my reply - as follows

Quote from the OP: 'never lose hope is my mantra.'

OK - but please recognize Don Quixote didn't win his battle either and his was probably a bit more practical.

The 'researchers' you are helping are more correctly called 'hobbiests' as research into a topic such as this would seem to include some science - which they are not.

Yes, to follow my comment at 12. I am looking for miniature magnetic bearings (passive) ( axial and radial), for a solar electric project. Is this in your competence?

Hi Duikerbok,

if you include tilt then this is not possible - I am sure you know,

but if you restrict tilt by other means - why not?!

RHABE

We should add a new categorie of voting: ridiculous questions.

Maybe the magnet motor has a chance to work with this waterwheel ?

splarf

Dark matter releases dark energy... or is the other way around? I get confused. At any rate, tap into this cycle and you'll have free energy.

Join forces with azeeco, perhaps?

"what stops me from proceeding further is while we apply mechanical load to magnetic motion, it stops"

This sounds like the same problem we have in our office with a lot of the staff. They all sit at their desks spinning their little wheels but when we ask them to actually do some work they stop. Please let us know as how you solve this little problem.

It's getting to the stage where a read through this site needs to be a prerequisite for a qualification in secondary school physics... <sigh>

Good site.

i already showed the perpetual waterwheel (post #33) from MC Escher, which i like so much that it has been my Avatar for a while.

Hi,

Excellent effort. I really appreciate you for your work. It would seem that a magnet energy generator is the next big thing to hit the renewable home energy market. Using the power of magnets to generate electricity does sound rather far fetched and a little out of the ordinary to many people. This is one of the reasons why so much has been written and talked about just recently on this very subject but do they really work and is a magnet energy generator a realistic and long term option for home electricity? I think it will be a great option.

Hoist Crane || Jib Crane

oh look, spam

somebody should report that...lol.. but she is cute.

Yeah, definitely hoists the crane.

This! - from a grandfather - I'm shocked.

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YES ITS POSSIBLE

its from a page Micheal Faraday's diary.. farady disc

one such generator was made by Depalma in US in early ninties but he survived 47 assesination attempts than no one knows where he went

if there will be free energy than every thing will be free and u can guess the consequencies of that

may be possible, but it ain't likely

were such a device to exist, there would be no assassination attempts

there is no traditional energy company on this planet that would pass a chance at greatly reducing their operating costs? any notion to the contrary is absurd

http://depalma.pair.com/

As usual where's the 3rd party testing, they can't even bother to fake some good looking data

I have also made several magnet motors. It's too difficult to build with all magnet versions. I use a small amount of power (power assist) to run an actuator, speaker. Other than the actuator, it is an all magnet device. It can run up to 2000 rpm. (The speed is an actuator limitation). The dual rotor device is about 70% efficient using a torque measurement calculation. (Prony brake)

Using an efficient pulsed actuator, (mathematically speaking) it should be able to exceed 100% electrical efficiency with no reduction in torque, because the magnets provide most of the torque force. I am working on a magnetic drag reduced power generator now. The web site is http://www.dynamaticmotors.com You can follow developments here if this interests you. You can view short movies of the magnet motors at the site.

This cr4 site seems to have knowledgeable professionals here. Nice site, enjoyable reading.

I wonder how to contact the Kansas Consumer Protection Deparrtment, or whatever they call it.

Guest proposes an over unity electrical device with generation efficiencies exceeding 100%. See cited website.

Ed Weldon

Oh good - I can add;

power assist

an actuator speaker

actuator limitation

dual rotor device

torque measurement calculation. Prony brake - (I Gaspard at aloud at brilliance)

efficient pulsed actuator

mathematically speaking

should be able to exceed 100% electrical efficiency

no reduction in torque

the magnets provide

magnetic drag reduced power generator

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Super!

I'll bet this guy has a spring scale on this prony brake setup and is reading the high point of the mechanical oscillations in the torque readings. That and what do you want to bet that his electric meters on that "little" feeder current are a bit off in linearity.

Ed Weldon

Ok, you're on!

(sound of slapping down $3 'e' note)

I bet he/she is calculating in some BS software he/she got on E-Bay, or Face Book, and has never seen other than a picture of a Prony in his/her life.

And if you've seen some of the "not grasping the math model principals" and "drongo calculating" around here of late; shonky meters, or inability to read, pale into insignificance.