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Tractor Wheel Size

02/21/2011 12:45 AM

Can any expert explain the reasons as to why the rear wheels of the tractor are larger and heavier than front wheels?

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02/21/2011 1:28 AM

Because the loads they support are heavier. Pleas do the arithmetic.

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02/21/2011 2:16 AM

What kind of tractor?

If you are referring to farm equipment, generally the driving wheels are the larger due to the increased surface area, traction and buoyancy on soft earth afforded by the large diameter. The track width and general form factor of these machines is generally dictated by their intended function in the field (something to do with the spacing of crop rows for farm tractors). The front wheels of farm tractors and backhoes often only give a moderate influence over the direction of travel on loose surfaces and serve mostly to keep the front end from falling on the ground. The driving wheels are able to be individually braked to assist steering or the differential can be locked to increase pulling traction. The large high profile tires also provide some protection against surface irregularities and sharp stuff that might peel a smaller tire off the rim.

In general, the big tires are the ones that do most of the work on the machine.

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02/21/2011 3:23 AM

The terrain is often wet and slippery , soggy or sand or whatever poor surface you can imagine.

The wheels must be big and thread designed to afford the best possible grip to suppling the best traction. long ago we filled the back wheels with some water to increase further increase the grip. the front wheel is only partially for steering and could be small. Actually in some instances the wheel barely touches the ground.

There are however also 4wheel drives with equal sized wheels front and back.

Now for a real secret. the front wheel is smaller to have the tractor always running downhill and thereby saving diesel.

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02/21/2011 11:44 PM

long ago we filled the back wheels with some water to increase further increase the grip.

Not just plain water, but stuff called "calcium" which was even heavier (I think it was a calcium chloride solution, but I'm not a farmer). This often led to corrosion of the rims.

Off topic, but remember that we should admire farmers. They have a huge investment in land and equipment, and gamble with the weather every year.

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02/21/2011 11:46 PM

It was indeed calcium chloride added to the water. And it was nasty stuff.

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02/22/2011 8:48 AM

Still is.

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02/21/2011 4:20 AM

A small diameter wheel has it's leading edge meeting the ground at a steeper angle than a big wheel, if it is in a small hole (again more likely with a small wheel) it effectively has to drive uphill at that angle to get out.
An infinitely large wheel would behave like a tracked vehicle, it's contact with the ground being flat.
Obviously an infinitely large wheel isn't parctical, but the bigger the wheel the love the angle of attack with the ground and the flatter the contact area.
Or maybe it's 'cos they look funky?

If you push a trolley with small wheels across a smooth floor it will not run over a small obstacle like an electric flex or a pencil. Something with big wheels will go over such an obstacle easilly.
If you have a go in a wheel chair you will soon learn that to get the small front wheels over relatively small obstacles you need to do a wheelie and lift the front wheels off the ground, whereas the big back wheels are fine. EG a wheelchair will not run over shingle unless you lift up the small front wheels.

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02/21/2011 11:50 PM

the bigger the wheel

Find a photo of some of the old steam traction engines. On some of them the rear drive wheels were 8 feet tall and quite wide. Even smaller ones were probably a foot wide.

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02/21/2011 5:36 AM

.........which is the same reason for horse-drawn-cart wheels being large. They pass easily over small obstructions while offering a smoother ride to the poor incumbents. It's no good putting castors on things that have to pass over uneven terrain.

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02/21/2011 6:50 AM

You've got to be kidding me!

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02/21/2011 2:00 PM

Re: You've got to be kidding me!

Why? You've never had a memory lapse, or just a lapse where you didn't think carefully about something before asking a question? Or just had no experience in an area that many other people did have experience in?

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02/22/2011 12:43 AM

Soil compaction and implement mass and/or down-force - could be added to the two GA's above.

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02/22/2011 12:59 AM

Everyone has a piece of the puzzle. Good answers all. Tractors were first invented to plow. Plowing presents a tremendous downforce on the tow-bar or 3-point hitch (both at the rear). To pull a large plow and resist the downforce without pulling the tires into the soft earth, a large surface area is necessary, hence, large diameter, wide tires. To enhance traction, large ribs or "lugs" are molded into the tires. Water was often added in the past to make sure that in light-load conditions, the lugs would bite properly into the ground. Today, massive weight plates of cast steel are bolted to the wheels instead. To counteract the downforce of plowing, the engine is placed far forward and often auxillary weights are hung on the front of the tractor to prevent the steering axle from coming off the ground during plowing. This also counteracts the reaction moment to the torque of the driving axle and the additional downforce at the end of a "land" when the plow digs deeper as the wheels drop into an adjacent furrow. Keeping the forward wheels small makes it much easier to steer, increases the angle at which the tires may be turned and therefore, decreases the turning radius. The steering tires often can turn so sharply as to lose traction (unless 4 wheel drive, which is immensely helpful) making it desireable, if not necessary, to have individual braking on the rear wheels to assist with sharp turns such as when reversing direction at the end of a "land". Very large tractors have large wheels at both ends to provide more traction, often doubled so there are 8 driven wheels! But it would be almost impossible to turn those tires with a conventional hub, so these tractors often use a hinged frame or "articulated steering" which uses a large hydraulic cylinder to bend the tractor in the middle. Modern 4 wheel drive tractors have much more pulling power for their size and turn effectively without as much need to use differential braking. Tires are still larger in the rear but often, the size difference is less on a 4WD tractor. The front tires turn a little faster than the rear so they will climb out of holes and so they can keep up in turns. They are marvelous little machines and tremendously useful for small and medium jobs on the farm.

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02/22/2011 2:46 AM

And the large diameter wheel adds to the Gear ratio...

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02/22/2011 8:24 AM

dang...in West Virginia we been puttin them big tires on the left side and the little ones on the right side so we could plow the hill without tippin over.....

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02/22/2011 8:39 AM

Well, We did the same.

Problem was when we needed to turn back.

Please enlighten us: How did you solve the problem?

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02/22/2011 8:54 PM

We never turned back,just plowed clockwise all the way around the mountain in a spiral.When we got to the top,we swapped wheels to come back down.

Of course,there were always a few oddballs that plowed counter clockwise.

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02/22/2011 11:29 PM

you just always drive the same direction around the hill! ;-)

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02/22/2011 8:49 PM

Yeah! And the downhill ham was always bigger than the uphill ham on hogs.Had to plant watermelons next to a fence to keep them from rolling downhill,but they sure wuz easy to load...just pick up the fence and they rolled right into the wagon.

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02/22/2011 9:04 PM

"They are marvelous little machines and tremendously useful for small and medium jobs on the farm."

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02/22/2011 11:38 PM

Yeah, didn't express that last part too clearly, did I? I was thinking of smaller farm tractors that are 4WD and allow small time and hobby farmers to have the power of much larger older 2WD tractors. But you're right, those big rigs are incredible, too. Interesting that even when they are tracked, the rear wheel is larger. I wonder if that's design inertia or aesthetics?

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02/23/2011 4:58 AM

"Big rigs" tend to be about 'compaction' that go's with the mass to have the grip, to do the pull. Compaction is a big issue in broad-acre.

"even when they are tracked, the rear wheel is larger"

You can still lift the front on torque, so the bigger rear gives more 'latitude' and a lesser 'divot' to climb out of - so I'd say 'by design' - as implement 'tow height' (parallel links pivot height) sets your basic criteria/moment.

This 'height', so implement geometry; is an issue with "mountain dozer's" in steep terrain, such as vineyards in Europe.

But you are right, the likes of these are extremely handy workhorses.

Every farm should have one

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02/22/2011 12:19 PM

Dear Mr. SPradhan,

The Tractor moves in a slow speed, NOT LIKE OTHER VEHICLES. For a given HORSE POWR Lower Speed means the TORQUE WILL BE HIGH.

If the wheel is smaller, on account of the HIGH TORQUE, the FORCE will be higher but the grip on the surface will be poor and hence the wheel tends to slip. In order to have a better grip wheel is of bigger size.

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02/22/2011 1:13 PM

First of all ,what is the use of a tractor?.The big wheels are meant cater for pulling stability ,and load management.A tractor is not a racecar that banks on speed ,it banks onpower,thats why they dont exceed 100km per hour.

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