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Terror Attack in Mumbai. India.

07/16/2011 7:52 AM

There was terrorist bomb blasts in Mumbai India. This is third time Mumbai has been attacked. My house is located around 5 Km distance from blast sites. Due to grace of God I am safe.

One of the blast was in jewellery market called Jhaveri Bazzar. Second one was at Diamond market called Panchratna, third one was at commercial market at Dadar. All three blast occurred at 7.00 PM simultaneously on 7-13-2011. Around 18 persons lost their lives and 100 were injured.

Some of them were sole earning members of the family.Very sad atmosphere here. How long we have to live in this type of atmosphere? There seems to be no solution to this problem.

It suspected that it was planned attack by Indian Mujhaidin a muslim terrorist group.

Public is totally fed up of such attacks and is helpless.

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07/16/2011 8:20 AM

We have suffered enough. Once was actually enough. We have to stiffen our spine and start pre-emptive strikes. Maybe take some tips and help from the US Homeland security, Israel's Mossad, UK's SAS, wherever quality help is available.

i personally want to buy a gun.

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07/18/2011 11:13 AM

Prevention is better than cure. Pre-emptive attacks and passing legislations like "Prevention of terrorism Act",TADA and PODA escalates violence. A criminal may escape punishment but an innocent man should not be punished. My advice is "change leadership". India is ruled by Nehru family from 1947 except for few years by Sasthri, VPSingh, Narasima Rao, Chandrasekar etc who also belonged to Congress party.Only Morarji,Vajpay and Chandrasekar were I believe not elected by Congress party. It is high time to elect a new party like Marxists or Socialist to power. BJP also got involvement in destroying Babri mosque.

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07/16/2011 9:20 AM

It's a terrible thing. Unfortunately, owning a gun won't protect you from random acts of terrorism.

I'd go to the Mossad for help. They've been at it longer than most. My last choice to help would be US Homeland Security, and I live here.

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07/18/2011 4:44 AM

Please dont recommend Mossad. They have murdered many poor Palestinians. Same as the SAS murdered many Irish and Arabs in Aden

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07/20/2011 9:40 AM

If the poor Palestinians weren't being poor Terrorists, they would be alive and well today.

You reap what you sow.

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07/20/2011 3:22 PM

Their land was stolen from them and they were slaughtered in their thousands lie the Lebonese people. The Palestinian heros are victims of terrorist actions by the Zionists. End of. Israel also slaughtered 9 innocent peace people who are trying to assist the illegally imprisoned Palestinians. israel are despised by the majority of the world becuase of their illegal and murderous acts. For a nation who suffered so much at the hands of the nazis they are quick to inflict similar pain on poor Palestinians.

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07/20/2011 3:38 PM

Really....then why are ALL of the other countries over there go gung ho about getting rid of the Palestinians? Because they are all terrorists that do nothing productive but cause trouble.

Pity the poor terrorists.....The Palestinians deserve nothing....they have don't nothing but kill innocent civilian children with suicide bombers....yeah...the hallmark of fine upstanding humans that is.

Have the Palestinians ever did something in history that wasn't murderous or illegal? And when was it?

Tell you what....lets give them Syria. That's another land of worthless people. they should get along well together.

Palestinian and Hero are oxymorons......there is no such thing as a terrorist hero.

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07/20/2011 5:33 PM

They are victims of Israel terrorist actions. End of.They fight to recover their lands which were stolen from them. I support the Paslestinians as they are victims of Israeli murderous behaviour. Some day israel will suffer and justly deserved in my opinion. I have Israeli friends who belive that Israel is a terrorist.

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07/20/2011 7:12 PM

Horse manure. Palestinians indiscriminately lob rockets into schools and residential neighborhoods....that is an act of supreme cowardice and of terrorists.

Cowards and terrorists also send suicide bombers into elementary schools to kill children.

Most Palestinians have proven they don't even quality as human much less deserving to steal something that isn't theirs. And they certainly aren't deserving of any recognition even. They can't grasp the concept of what civilized is. If Isreal wipes them off the planet...I'm going to throw a party.

You really have a problem understanding what the word terrorist actually means. You don't get to make up whatever meaning you want. I'll provide you a link.

This is the official Websters definition.

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Terrorist

This is the Oxford Definition

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorist

Notice the word HUMAN isn't part of the terrorists description.

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07/21/2011 1:16 AM

All you describe is Israeli actions. Murder daily. Kill innocent Palestinian men women and children. Kill by starving and denial of medicines also. Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind...... Palestinians are fighting to get their honmeland back with sticks and stones and the Israelis use warplanes and heavy artillery on kids.

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07/23/2011 11:37 PM

Really...you know they have pills that will help with that sort of problem. Those delusions you are talking about specifically..

Ever here of don't pick a fight if you are afraid of getting your butt kicked?

I think even Palestinians have the mental capacity to understand that.

Why should Israel supply that trash with Medicine....they should buy their own. Like everyone else has to do. And grow their own food. Oh right....they are too lazy to do that and think they are entitled to get everything free.

I think you've had a complete break with reality. Get some help.

Hammas bombs schools..Hammas bombs civilians. Hammas are cowards that hide behind children...and hide behind women....because their men really aren't men....they are little boys without the courage to fight like men.

Palestinians are jealous of Israel because Israel has what they they don't. Women that don't look like camels....and men that have balls.

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07/20/2011 4:55 PM

I doubt that you will change hearts and minds here on the issue. No one has anywhere in the world as the problem still persists.

While I will say that I am not an expert on the full history here, I fully understand that the Palestinians are merely Arab pawns in a much bigger game.

However, the worse crime of all is the perpetual cycle of hate that is taught to their own children. It is the only people I know of where parents doom their own children to the perpetual hell they live in by teaching them hate from preschool to their eventual end.

I have no idea how Palestinians will ever hope to recover from such self imposed atrocities. Regardless of how you side on the issues of Palestine, we are only left with sad pity for the state of things. You may blame outside forces for their plight, but no parent should raise their own blood with such bitter hate and sow the seeds of hopelessness. They are truly a lost people.

This cycle of hate will last for many, many generations to come even if they were freed today.

Like I said, no one here will change the situation, so arguing about it is trite.

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07/20/2011 5:39 PM

That is to say that the innocent palestinians are guilty of something? They are guilty of being evicted from their home and lands. They are victims of being slaughtered by mad Israeli troops. They are guilty of being victims of an Israeli induced middle east holacaust. Israel is commiting daily crimes against the poor Palestinains. Give them back their stole lands and allow them self determination. Leave them alone and stop inflicting pain and death on them. They are good people and I know lots of them. I know some very decent Israeli people also.

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07/21/2011 1:19 AM

Yes and where is the error? Seems the Israelis learned a lot about inflicting pain on fellow human beings. Now they are masters.

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07/21/2011 6:09 PM

Terrorists and their supporters are the cowards.....they don't have the courage to fight like real men and in accordance with the international rules of war.

They hide behind civilians and target children. Yeah...real heros children murderers are. Those children put up one hell of a fight I suppose.

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07/22/2011 12:23 AM

Hey Smoothy, are you Greenlandic?

Just curious

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07/22/2011 8:42 AM

Nope.....stangely enough...part Irish. and can't grasp how ANYONE, can relate the IRA, or the Ulster liberation front in any way with Palestinian terrorists.

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07/22/2011 9:34 AM

Strangely enough if you look deeper, you can

Start at the division of "Arabia" in 1918 -19 post WWI

Then look at the basis for partition of Ériu

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07/22/2011 11:09 AM

Not saying I was a supporter of the IRA..etc..( yeah they did some bad things no doubt) ..BUT that in no way compares to the Palestinians and what THEY do as a matter of practice.

Perhaps the Germans should go ape and take back what was taken from them at the WWI armistice as well? How about taking back what was taken by force by the Muslims in the Middle ages? At what point do you stop?

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07/22/2011 12:18 PM

Precisely - at what point do you?

Is it the point where you realize you are Irish (or Arab) first, the some brand of the same religious tenets second?

How might that happen?

Education?

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07/22/2011 12:51 PM

I might say PROPER education....what passes for an education in a Madras is just a thinly veiled brainwashing of what a particular radical Imam wants you to think. Which rarely has any basis in fact.

But yes..I completely agree....its easy to keep people down by keeping them from a PROPER education.

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07/22/2011 1:10 PM

How would an Imam fair against the internet?

It may not be PROPER, but that might just mean YOURS. So perhaps the 'cure' is a standard of living that enables Internet?

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07/22/2011 1:34 PM

Proper means....FACTS are taught. Not fallicies. Trust me...the public school system here has its own problems....but even with its shortcomings, at least its not purely ideology and propaganda.

Most people leaving a Madras can proudly proclaim "I is edumacated"

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07/23/2011 2:33 PM

Easy to guess which part is Irish. the IRA were brave men who rid us of the British from our occupied lands. 26 counties free only six to go but as the IRA are now engaged in a peace process and engaged politically , their military work is complete. God bless them for their help in replying to British tyranny and gaining our freedom.Any Irish person who supports the British in their occupation of land and murdering innocent citizens , deserves to go to hell.

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07/23/2011 3:00 PM

As I quoted earlier, the British haven't occupied Ireland since 1921 and Northern Ireland voted 98.9% to stay part of Britain. Your comments reveal you as yet another ill-informed, non-thinking, angry bigot - in fact, all the attributes of a terrorist.

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07/23/2011 4:49 PM

Not ill informed matey. The British are responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of decent Irish people and the orchestrated bad treatment of hundreds of thousands of nationlaists by loyalist gangs and institutions, aided by the police. So lets start from there shall we? Now which part is bigotted? Yes we threw the murderous Brits out, as did many illegally occupied countries and because of some infighting they stayed in occupied Ireland from then on but we are committed to peace and will bide our time to rid us of their presence. I admire and thank the IRA who helped to evict the British Army, including the released prisoners "black and tans" and British authority from Ireland. This we are grateful,for and always will be. We had British terrorists in this country for hundreds of years and they slaughtered at will without having to account for their actions. This slaughter was endorsed by the British establishment , like when the murdering paras slaughtered innocent civilians in Derry in 1970. Those para murderers are still roaming the streets but hopefully they will be found and identified and dealt with properly.

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07/23/2011 5:58 PM

You seem to be 'not remembering' the Northern Irish Government invited the British back to protect them from the South.

The reality of the 'Troubles' was not actually religion or 'imperialism' it was "hate mongering" - you need to realise this and cast it off.

It's also worth noting there were no real problems between Israeli settlers and Palestinian inhabitants till that ilk of 'mongering' got the shooting started.

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Ahh now Mister you have the "facts" distorted in connection with the North of Ireland. The so called troubles were initiated by hatred of the minority nationalists by the loyalists and the denial of their civil rights. Your comment about the British being invited back is nonsense and is not worthy of a comment.

As far as the Palestinians are concerned, they were slaughtered by the Israelis in their thousands and slowly executed by denial of foods and medicines etc for children. Their lands were stolen by whom you call settlers, they were land thieves, simple as and supported by the Israeli government. For a nation who suffered at the hands of the Nazis, I am shocked that they can inflict such pain and suffering on a proud peo-ple. I wish that the Palestinians' Arab brothers would join their fight and recover their stolen lands.

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07/23/2011 6:46 PM

You really need to do some reading, rather than relying on an oral history that tends to gloss over time lines of who did what when.

But by all means 'grasp your hate to your bosom'

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07/23/2011 6:59 PM

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You know, it is always the occupier that needs brain washing, shaken by the shoulders and asked "Who asked you to be here?". Not only in Ireland but anywhere were not only land but cultures have been set upon and nearly wiped out. Some have been eliminated altogether, in the name of you know who.

Very seldom will the mindset of an occupier change or have mercy because usually there are commercial gains to be had and they corrupt very strongly and even breed traitors after inviting treason or practicing black mail. Think of a tactic to infiltrate and it has been done in the past, however gruesome your imagination is.

There is the chance of reconciliation and that has worked, partly. I wish there were as many brain wash facilities as there are car wash joints. If your friend or foe tells you your car is dirty and not representable or numberplate not readable () you clean it or have it cleaned, if you feel that obeying to rules of car cosmetics is what you want to do.

When a friend or foe tells you your mind, or understanding of it, is indoctrinated with propaganda and that your true self seems compromised, where do you go?. Were could you go and have your brains checked for neutral function? If you feel that mental hygiene is what you are after, that is.

One could read a book or have it reflected in some freedom fighters movie and mentally masturbate on ones own compromised understanding of it all. You know that feeling of sympathy, when at the end of One Flew Over The Cukoo's Nest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Flew_Over_the_Cuckoo%27s_Nest_%28film%29

the big Indian smashes the window and runs into a field. Back then it could have been me, I was that Indian dude and I could speak and I did.

To call a coin evil just because it has two sides and one should be + the other - doesn't stop currency flowing. It will just always happen and is part of the human condition.

Conflicts are never black and white but there is such a thing as justice. Not instant legal resolutions but the cost (not only monetarily) of occupying is usually paid for by the occupiers (or their cohorts) people and sometimes that cost gets just too high. The people will revolt because they are going broke and are seeing their sons come back home, in need of a brain wash, not to mention missing limbs and shattered bones and widows and orphans..................... They are the punished as well and will stand up.

Whole nations and Empires have bitten the dust in the past and so it will be again. Even occupations of hundreds of years have resulted in a turnaround. The seed of the native will never be extinguished. The spirit of a People shall overcome, and usually does, in the end.

We hope for no war and wish for peace. How can we go wrong? Well, I claim that we don't have enough brainwash facilities where one could go after being educated or ridiculed on a subject and repent ones inhumane thought tendencies. It is the man in the mirror after all.

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07/23/2011 8:21 PM

There are angry people all over the world - you sound like one of them. Some are nursing grudges from hundreds of years ago. The Serbs still fret over a battle that took place in 1371, when they were beaten. Have you ever heard of anything so stupid? But stupidity rules. Perhaps Britain should attack Italy for the Roman Invasion in AD43, Germany for the Saxon invasions, Scandinavian countries for the Viking invasions. Are you aware that the people who invaded Ireland in 1170 were called Normans, but were actually Scandinavians (more specifically Danes), who had previously attacked France, and through fear, were given Normandy to live in by the French king. Later they turned their attention to England and in 1066 invaded England and famously killed King Harold with an arrow in the eye. Having conquered England and totally changed it, they then turned their might on Ireland. As far as the Irish were concerned they were "English" because they came from England and they still bear a grudge to this day, but were they? So began hundreds of years of Irish domination. Not so simple is it? A time comes when you have to put it behind you and move on. We can't all be martyrs and carry grudges for ever.

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07/24/2011 3:13 AM

Of course we can move on. The brits want to lay guilt on us for the retalliation we took for the past so many years but lets forget it. No more worries about all the bombings of the past few years. I am fine with that. I am fine with forgetting anything that happened and would expect the brits to forget everything also. Then we can all start afresh and concentrate on getting the brits out of our country and become friends.I also will expect the Jews to forget what happened all those years ago with the Nazis and stop harping on about irrelevent nonsense. It is not important now. yet they groan on and on and will do for the next 10,000 years. that is their nature.

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Have you considered for a second that before Entebbe, hijacking was a sport?

Hardly much 'groaning' in that one.

Yes, stereotyping does save time

But do feel free to continue demeaning everyone in line with your historically warped uneducated personal beliefs.

It's amusing.

(so much so I am having trouble not laughing along with Smoothy's take, as your 'level of logic' is rapidly destroying any balance one might try to pragmatically maintain)

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I still don't understand your "concentrate on getting the brits out of our country" remark. There are Brits living in Ireland, just as there are Irish living in Britain - and they do it quite openly and happily, until perhaps some psycho-bigot tries to stir up trouble.

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It is incredible how hundreds of rockets are fired into Israel from other nations and Israel so much as throws a rock across the border and everybody wants them gone. Can some explain please?

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Another ridiculous exaggeration.

This thread is rapidly turning to a recitation of "who's the biggest victim" rubbish dogma

Engineers should research.

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07/24/2011 9:26 AM

Sure

think about it

after WWII the jews wanted a place of their own, makes sense

they pick a place that many of their ancestors came from, sounds good in theory

small problem several other religions also consider the area their homeland too

so clear out the neighborhood, move in

fast forward a few years, running out of room annex the neighbors property [the neighbors were content to be shepherds]

amass a modern army, along with all the latest toys [including a few nuke's]

gee is it any wonder the surrounding neighbors aren't thrilled...

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That is really naughty Garthh - you will have old testament scholar and his dog on your case, not to mention League Of Nations historians squabbling over who tricked who, over what, when after which WW.

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07/24/2011 11:00 AM

Agree with you.

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The only reason Israel has those is because of their neighbors. Now I am not advocating the use of those weapons, but Israel is kinda cornered inbetween alot of countries that are not fans of its existence.

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The problem was created by USA/UK by not giving statehood to Palestinians when they gave to israel thereby putting Palestinians as slaves under Israelis. The arabs are made fools by the same forces not to support Palestines but have good relationship with UK/USA. The situation after the formation of UN is worse than before. Genocide,racial discrimination,asymmetrical development regions of a nation,having armed forces and police consisting of one community only,discrimination in employment,making communities "stateless" ,killing prime minister if he sympathises towards minority races,allowing religious leaders for propaganda against minority,claiming that the nation belongs to one community(like Hitler) and others are aliens or brought by Britishers,not punishing their supporters if they attack minorities etc are considered as "internal affair" and super powers help those nations,why?. They even pass motion in UN.

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07/20/2011 9:08 PM

I think you are very wrong, but I will not argue further about it on this forum.

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07/19/2011 10:21 PM

Getting support from another country should not be allowed. What is the purpose of UN,what are they doing,who is preventing them from solving worldly problems?. The main reason is UN has no funds of its own. Countries like America,Japan pump money into UN and due to that they get advantage and abuse power and authority. America said freedom fighter Yasser Arafat was a "terrorist" and Srilankan Tamil's organisation which fights for independence as "terrorist organisation". Japanese Ahashi too made a statement on Srilanka.Who gave them authority to do so. If those in power attack the powerless they say "negotiate". Human/workmen's rights should not be negotiated but "automatically granted".When a crime is committed the Judge never say negotiate but he "punishes" the attacker. In UN the judge is silent unless another member state(s)makes a complain. What will happen if a community which has no representative in UN is attacked?. UN was formed in such a way that only powerful or major communities in each nation will benefit. How about other communities?. The basic principle of UN is wrong. It should be "united communities" not United nations. The britishers played an important role is destroying "racial equilibrium" in multiracial countries ruled by them. One day they said "bye- bye" and left because Mahatma Ghandi asked for independence when he was not allowed to board a train in South Africa and travel in a compartment reserved for whites only. At that time nobody asked him "in india do the high caste people treat the low caste people as equals". After giving independence britishers said racial discrimination and massacres are "internal affair". The UN should impose heavy taxes on nations possessing nuclear bombs,chemical bombs,missiles,engaged in space programmes,sending army to other countries for genocide,manufacturing weapons, selling weapons to racist regimes,engaging in aerial bombings,firing artillary shells,not allowing UN and NGOs to travel to any part of any nation's prisons,detention centres,police army camps etc,passing draconian legislation to kill country men,developing country asymmetrically,giving importance to one religion,not allowing other religions to be practiced,having family rule,saying racial minorities should not have political authority but should agree to whatever the major community does and so on. For example for a nuclear weapon UN can charge one billion dollar per year and similar rates for other weapons and dirty activities. Countries which support those countries too should be punished. After that there will be no "terrorism" and "there will be peace".

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07/20/2011 7:31 AM

No.

The reason why you are wrong is that you are trying to simplify something that is nearly infinity complex.

When I was much younger what you presenting was not dissimilar to what I thought. As time waged on I became more aware of the complex nature of humanity and the world we live in. As I understand things today I realize that it is much more complex than it seems and actions in one domain or place have consequences that may be realized in ways we do not expect elsewhere. We do not make choices in a vacuum. We make choices in a sea of other individuals making choices on their own behalf. This creates an infinitely complex domain.

Most of the choices we make, geopolitically, politically, or personally are the choices of the lessor evil. It is rare where we can make a choice that is purely good in this imperfect world. Therefore, we must choose between worse and better and better may not be very good at all, but is the best that we can do.

We do so with prejudice as this is the way of the world. Each community, nation, family, or individual acts on their own best behalf. This is not limited to human behavior, but is imprinted into the very fabric of all life right down to the cellular level. In the world of life it has proven to be the best solution to survival.

A famous mathematician, John Nash, essentially proved that point in a mathematic proof called the Nash equilibrium.

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07/20/2011 10:43 AM

It is complex because the parties which formed the UN in 1940s had secret motives. They wanted to dominate international politics but Russia and China were not allowing it.So they ruined small nations either by giving constitutions with asymmetrical distribution of wealth and authority as well as by directly attacking as in Cuba and Vietnam. They create situations for war and pretend to solve it. Human rights should be preserved at any cost. They support one nation in order to spy on or attack another and ignore human rights violation in the country which they support and even calling it "internal affair". It shows they have no respect to God Almighty. If economy of UK is not good they will support USA for some monetary gain.

If there is war only they can sell their arms even the old ones which were used in WW2.

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07/20/2011 11:51 AM

You wrote, "It is complex because the parties which formed the UN in 1940s had secret motives."

No, it is complex because you must include all the factors, of which the UN is just a small one. There is far more to this world than the UN (although some might dispute that).

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07/20/2011 7:48 AM

Whilst I agree the Britsh exploited many nations, and I'm not proud of our past (dunno why on earth we had to get embroiled in Lybia either...let someone else have a go at these thankless tasks).
I think the suggestion that they destryed 'racial equilibrium' is laughable. I would have thought the opposite was the case, they created a stability, albeit an 'artificial' one. The power vacuum left behind allowed racial intollerance to literally run riot.
If every individual accepted their reponsibility not to harm others we'd all be fine, unfortunately there are always bullies and the greedy who will prey on those weaker than themselves for personal gain, usually hiding behind the cloak of religion or some other idealism.
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07/24/2011 4:56 AM

Before the britishers arrived the situation was better because each community had its own king although sometimes fights erupted they had some dignity. But after britishers combined many communities as single state some communities became "rulers" and others "the ruled". This is evident in multiracial countries. You should accept the facts. Why India became 3 nations(India,Pakistan,Bangaladesh) and still there is rule by army in some areas.Why Sikhs asked for separate state?.Why in Srilanka Tamils asked for separate state?. Why Yugoslavia and Czeck were broken into several nations?. Why Kosova was born?. If you hide facts to support some races to destroy the others you should be prepared for the worst. God will not tolerate for ever.

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07/16/2011 10:17 AM

"Public is totally fed up of such attacks and is helpless."

They are not fed up enough and they not totally helpless. Sooner or later they will be and the free people of the world will respond and give them the jihad that they wish. My only regret will be that not all of those that are Muslim are extremist. They have learned to live with those of different beliefs peacefully. But in the turmoil there will be many that will not differentiate between the two.

My only question is can't the Muslim people see this end coming? Do they not want to do anything to prevent it?

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07/16/2011 11:19 AM

It's time for mainstream Muslims to step up and put an end to this madness.

Whether it's Christians burning witches, or radical Islamists strapping bombs on themselves to blow up innocents. There is no God that justifies murder.

The only people that can end this, are the people that are tired of having the face and name of Allah spit upon through these treacherous acts.

Our natural tendency would be to hate all Muslims...............this is not the answer.

I'm sorry this is happening.

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You are right all Muslims are not terrorist. They only feel ashamed as they are also helpless.

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07/24/2011 12:15 PM

What they (Muslims) need to be ashamed of is that more Muslims don't step up and put a stop to the radicals themselves. Since they are giving them ALL a black eye...figuratively speaking.

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07/17/2011 1:59 PM

actually there were gods and demigods who appeared to justify murder... or death.

"When Moses saw the calf and the dancing, he became enraged and shattered the tablets at the foot of the mountain. (Exodus 32:19.) He burned the calf, ground it to powder, strewed it upon the water, and made the Israelites drink it. (Exodus 32:20.) When Moses asked Aaron how he committed such a great sin, Aaron replied that the people asked him to make a god, so he hurled their gold into the fire, "and out came this calf!" (Exodus 32:21-24.) Seeing that Aaron had let the people get out of control, Moses stood in the camp gate and called, "Whoever is for the Lord, come here!" (Exodus 32:25-26.) All the Levites rallied to Moses, and at his instruction killed 3,000 people, including brother, neighbor, and kin. (Exodus 32:27-29.)

Moses went back to God and asked for God either to forgive the Israelites or kill Moses too, but God insisted on punishing only the sinners, which God did by means of a plague. (Exodus 32:31-35.)"

I think this link explains things well, for most religions, regarding the subject of Kill vs. Death. The Koran describes the same thing. (Quran17:33) Bhuddism (paragaph 3) apparently does not go for killing for any reason, of any lifeform.

you may also find this interesting.

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07/16/2011 11:56 AM

I am very glad you are okay. My hope and prayers are for your people at these times.

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Hi Hero,

Thanks a lot.

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07/16/2011 11:58 AM

I fully sympathise with you Suresh and the Indian nation. Muhammed Jinnar wanted partition for Muslims - he got partition. And they've been a pain in the backside ever since. When "push comes to shove" you can bet that all the so-called moderate Muslims will back their militants to the hilt. It's an unpleasant fact of human nature. We saw it with Germany and Japan during WW2 and the Irish during "the troubles." Even Irish, living and working happily in England for decades, would finance and support the IRA - I've met them. A well known IRA supporter was actor Richard Harris. He lived in England, made his films in England, was adored by Britons, but still he backed and financed the IRA against Britain. The ultimate hypocrite. Similarly, the silence from "moderate Muslims" is deafening. That tells us all we need to know. Our dastardly politicians seem to be blind to all this. They are more concerned with lining their pockets and staying in power during their short tenure on this planet.

There are many proposals that I could make to fight back, but CR4 is hardly the place, and I would be pilloried for it. Good luck and stay alert.

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Thanks for your comments. Let us hope wisdom will prevail and people will stop such dastardly acts.

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Your coments about the Irish are a little unjust. Harris maybe saw the injustices of the treatment of nationalists by the "occupiers". Remeber Bloody Sunday?You seem to forget that the illegal occupation of our country was the issue an that is why the Irish supported the cause while living away from here. The Irish and the average English person are the best of friends but the illegal occupation for so many hundred years and the hundreds of thousands of murders perpetrated by the British, as in India, and Africa, etc. made a lot of Irish people bitter against the British establishment. That is understandable to be honest. I do not condone violence but I do believe in resistance and the right to self determination.

The Muslim issues are so different......

Anyway this forum was not the place to initiate this tyype of discussion and I have erred in replying to what is a one sided version of what happened in MY country.

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07/20/2011 11:53 AM

Britain hasn't occupied the Republic of Ireland since 1921. In 1973, the people of Ulster (Northern Ireland) voted to remain part of Britain by a vote of 98.9% in favor. That should have been the end of it, but no - terrorists had to cause death and destruction for decades and were supported by many misguided Americans, until 9/11, when they finally got the message. Several of them (known murderers) are now Members of Parliament, take their pay and bloated expenses but never enter the famous building.

How about the USA occupying the land of the American Indians for hundreds of years having murdered the majority? Where do you draw the line? Unanswerable questions.

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"...terrorists had to cause death and destruction for decades and were supported by many misguided Americans"[quote needed]

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Good points. What people have not been guilty of the same in their history?

No one is above all of this.

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Good point

"No one is above all of this"

Anyone who wishes to pretend that their country has not committed some atrocity/act of terrorism, is simply ignorant of their own history.

Clearly this applies to the two members currently at loggerheads

Additionally; one mans' 'national hero', or 'savior of the nation', or 'freedom fighter' - is just as easily another mans' 'terrorist'.

The 'cause and effect' of this has forever been 'wealth and power' - be the path/tools; ideology, dogma, or racial hate.

I note, as did Artsmith, the attacks (in OP) have a 'wealth' inference inherent.

It is interesting in other threads, the concept of 'taking jobs back' from 'other nations', is suggested as a 'cure' to the US employment woes.

It might be so, on one level, but raising the standard of living to a point where at least basic education is available, is the greatest counter to all the 'path/tools' that perpetuate these pointless conflicts.

I.e. debating something birthed in ignorance - from a position of ignorance - is pointless.

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And least we forget the murders by Britain in Ireland for 800 years, in Africa and India, Aden etc...... When the British murdered Indians, for many years, was that justifible? But I suppose those people are less dead?????

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i thank all non-Indian friends here who shared our agony.

i have many muslim friends, i would trust them with my life.

Many right-thinking Muslims condemn such acts, but they are very few, and nobody listens to them anyhow.

i was shocked that there are fundamentalists being tolerated in high public positions. i have actually seen one such subhuman on TV being interviewed with respect !!! i would have no compunctions in having them assassinated by the CIA. Are you listening, CIA?

Then there are the "Indian Mujahideen".... where the f**k did they come from ? What were we doing when this hydra was spawning?

i believe there is a muslim militant student's union in India. They are unhappy with India's policy about a miilion things. The government bends over backwards to accommodate these potential terrorists.

India is the only country never to have attacked any other. Someone snidely told me in Europe that this is a sign of cowardice. Are we cowards ? i was furious at that time .. way back. and in a foreign country where i wouldn't dream of disagreeing with mine host. Now. i am not so sure. Maybe we are cowards.

There are some shysters who have volunteered to defend Kasab .. is this the done thing? Would an american shyster volunteer to pro-bono defend Bin Laden ? Come on....

Sorry friends, about the unsightly passion....thanks for your commiserations.

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Hi Shridhar,

As co-patriot I agree with you. Yes, we are cowards in that sense we are followers of Mahatma Gandhi's old philosophy of non violence. After 26/11 attack on Mumbai Maharashtra government has spent millions of rupees to fight terrorists but it seems money has gone to drains. God only knows how many more blows we have to still face and cry over dead bodies.

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It takes more courage to practice non-violance than to simply react violently.

However, like all things, there are times for both behaviors. We live in a universe of duality and we must learn to embrace both.

From a tactical point of view, the first attack on Mumbai was met with almost no resistance. Police and government forces were so ill prepared that the terrorists were shocked at the fact they were not neutralized long ago and had free reign throughout the theater.

The subsequent attacks in Mumbai have been much different in scope and duration, proving that India has adapted new tactics and preparations that have proved far more effective.

I am not trivializing what has just happened, only pointing out that it could have been far worse had lessons not been learned from the first attack. The fact that the tactics have changed from small arms fire to explosives means that the terrorists are trying to adapt their own methods to the changing security measures employed by police and military.

I fully understand how difficult all of this must be and I hope that you find the peace your people deserve.

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Dear Mr. Sridhar,

I fully agreee with you and join you in expressing my heart burning feelings-innocent people are the sufferers.

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Countries who do not attack other countries or destroy a community(like Hitler, Jayawardene) are not cowards,they are good humans. Look at Canada,some south american countries,Singapore,Scandinavian countries who do not intervene in other countries but help affected people.

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I'm glad to hear you are not hurt, and very sorry to hear this has happened again.

I don't understand militancy. I don't understand violence. Extremists unfortunately continue to exist in this world, and often in the last place you expect them. Where they cannot do harm openly, they will do it in hiding. I hope India can find a way to expose this element and bring the guilty to justice.

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07/17/2011 5:43 AM

They say justice should be done and justice should appear to be done. If police,armed forces,priests,some members of public want to destroy minority racial groups,there will be repercussions. Was any body punished in the Babri mosque case?.

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07/17/2011 7:49 AM

Hi Artsmith,

Thanks for your comments.

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07/16/2011 11:01 PM

High quality leadership only will be respected by all. Who want political authority and money for better living and destroying other racial groups and religious groups for getting votes from majority will never succeed. How can a drunkard tell others not to drink?.

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07/17/2011 3:08 AM

While you thank your god for remaining safe, the terrorists may be thanking their god for something else. Perhaps there is a connection.

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07/17/2011 11:42 AM

Thank goodness that you and your family are safe Suresh.

Unfortunately, terrorists abound worldwide now days, and it'll only get worse if the world's nations don't pull together as one and confront this menace head on as well as openly share intel. The world has changed for the worse in the past 40+ years due to ease of obtaining weapons and explosives of all types. The openness of the WWW hasn't help matters due to the presence of many many terrorist websites, how to's on how to use automatic weapons RPG's and the like, and the posting of how to produce and employ homemade explosive devices.

Buying a gun will not help you unless civilization as we have known it suddenly collapses. Most likely as an unskilled and untrained combatant you will be most likely end up as a statistic, or worse, dead meat.

Maybe now in light of the repeated attacks on innocents in your country India will step up to the plate and join other nations in the "War On Terror" and eradicate these scum balls once and for all.

India, if it need the help is best to consult with the UK's SAS and SBS, the IDS Mossad, the German GS9, the US Army's Delta Force, and USN SEALS. They are the best of the best at combating terrorists and have the most experience.

Wishing you and your country continuing peace......

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07/17/2011 8:20 PM

The reason for fights is not websites but misinterpretation of democrac(z)y whereby one community destroys another after WW2 when they got independence from Colonial rulers. If UN and Super powers respect human/workmen's rights there will be no problems.

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07/18/2011 2:34 AM

Hi Captain,

Thanks for your comments. There are many world conferences on how to tackle terror, but nothing has come out to get rid of them. I think nations are waiting for worst to come then only they will wake up. God forbid such situation. May be all politicians have some different objectives unknown to us.

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07/17/2011 12:38 PM

I'm sorry about the attacks and am glad you are safe. You said there was jewelry or diamonds at the blast sites. Any chance they were robbery motivated? Did the terrorist group you cited ever say they did it? You cannot retaliate unless you know, otherwise you will have an unjust civil war.

It is not you who are cowards, but the terrorists themselves. They are afraid to come out in the open. Hope you can stay safe and come up with a plan.

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07/18/2011 2:45 AM

Thanks for your comments. There was no case of robbery, it was just terrorist attack for killing innocent people. Actually many diamonds were strewen over ground after attack. At jewelry market also no case of robbery notified.

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07/18/2011 12:27 AM

Dear Sharmaji,

There is a mistake from our engineering community, few engineers are helping terrorists in using high technology for mass destruction & killing Innocent people. I wonder how bad people get motivated so easily to do bad things?

It is very difficult to motivate people to choose right path! I think the way we are thinking and living should change to bring in quality of living or art of living happily.

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07/18/2011 6:08 AM

To realise the pain inflicted on minorities put you in that situation as a person belonging to suffering racial/religious minority group or consider you as an impartial judge and study who started hatred. Hatred and thirst for domination or being jealous when another person or community does well is the main cause of not only racial or caste based problems but even within same community or family. Mahatma Ghandhi showed compassion on suffering people and showed mercy on them. But Mohammed Ali Jinnah and some other Muslim leaders thought when the Britishers leave there will be massacre and got Pakistan but not without pain. Compare with other nations like Palestine, Chechenya, Kosova,Bangaladesh, Srilanka,Bosnia,Serbia etc where one community destroys another community while UN keeps safe distance and give a free hand for the aggressor without sending its troops or officials. One of the reasons is colonial rulers like Britishers have changed the political balance in many countries by bringing many communities speaking different languages and practising different religions under one government so that there will be fight for ever until each get a separate state. Problems unsolved for 60yrs are Kashmir,Palestine and Srilanka. Super powers should support UN to solve problems by referrundum and discussions but not by supporting those in power(aggressor).See comments nrs 9,11,21 etc

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07/18/2011 6:22 AM

Through CR4; I tried to help an Afghanistan, a Srilankan, A Pakistani, and so on. the Srilankan could not resist him self from thanking me with a personal mail. Hence engineers forum have no cast or religion or country feelings.

I recommend a book that I have recently read: Great Boss Dead boss; got some answers for present problems.

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07/18/2011 7:43 AM

The UN does not solve problems, it creates them!

The UN is the most corrupt organization in the history of humanity. It was the architect of the largest monetary scandal known to man, has offices run by dictators and thieves, and answers to no one.

Asking the UN to resolve a problem is akin to asking a cave man to do your dental work.

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07/18/2011 7:46 AM

You have a point there.

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Congratulations for speaking fearlessly. UN was created as a tool for some influential countries to control the world indirectly. the most unfortunate aspect is UN protects human/workmen's rights violators as "Internal affair","Sovereignty of states" and "Democracy"

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07/18/2011 7:45 AM

Well said. I agree that the colonial powers interfered in countries and deliberately created a power imbalance in favour of whom they supported and then they mess up the country and walk away with a puzzled look on their faces, as much as to say, "what did we do"? There are so many countries destroyed by the so called superpowers whose interference caused so much misery. My own country is a case in point. While the citizens of these so called superpowers are decent honest and honourable, sometimes their leaders are evil and treat people of foreign nations like animals and inferior. All except the Arabs who give them oil.

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07/18/2011 8:58 AM

You wrote, "...and walk away with a puzzled look on their faces, as much as to say, "what did we do"?"

This was not by accident, but by design.

The objective was to keep the governments weak and subject to influence.

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07/18/2011 9:30 AM

Agreed

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07/18/2011 11:18 AM

I think all the problems through out the world are creation of politicians, who want to always fish in dirty waters, so water is always kept dirty by them. As far as Kashmir problem is concerned on many occasions it was on verge of settlement but politicians stopped it. It is only general innocent public have to suffer.

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07/18/2011 7:29 AM

Latently, I see that public is more responsible. Due to Mall culture and foreign influence, new generation has forgotten their culture and responsibilities. I bet on number of people that is alert in selecting their leadership politically, and take responsibilities for neighborhood. Networking with electronic toys are fine up to a certain degree, but not to a point of isolation in society.

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