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Why Have People Left CR4?

12/30/2014 12:07 AM

?It's as simple as that.

Over the past year or two, many valued members have left. There are people with expert skills who have just gone. Why ? I'll not name names, but more than a few people have just gone. On top of that, folk who kept the CR4 humour and hilarity have gone.

Unlikely they will come back and explain, but does anybody know ?

I've no beef with IHS, but some of the most talented people have simply gone. People enjoyed the banter and techno stuff. If you have any doubt, just look at where the the really clever folk have gone - it's not here.

No intent to insult, but (and I'll not name them) numerous people are just not here any more.

This is no critrisism of Savvy and the crew at CR4. I'm sure IHS can explain. I'm an optimist - count and check how many good posters have gone. CR4 is made by the people here, I could ( but will not) tell you who. More than 20 people have simply left. Every single one has been a huge contributer. Is it so hard to figure out ?

IHS - give CR4 some leeway. People just want to discuss stuff and have a mild giggle. Get you heads around people giving their time. Ban me if you wish, but at least have a think about it.

My excuse is a bottle of wine (I fib, but what is your excuse). Can we have CR4 back ?

This used to be a fun mix of techno chat and banter. It seemed to go wrong when IHS took over. We were doing pretty good before, and the kickback for Globalspec was probably not to bad.

Sorry if that offends - if nothing else, just consider it.

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12/31/2014 7:40 AM

I have been here for a few years and do like the banter almost as much as the really good info. but from time to time the system seem to change and lock's me out, like on several post that require a registration, even though I am a member it won't allow me to post or register. But enough on my issues on this last day of the year good luck to all here. Well some of us still have to work so off to the drudgery of making the world safe from it's self. Duke

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12/31/2014 7:58 AM

It is a secret why they left:

They are in a hidden mountain resort hanging out with Ayn Rand...

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Welcome to the hotel california, its a lovely place, its a lovely place..you can check out anytime you like,but you can never leave.

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12/31/2014 8:34 AM

Actually, no one really left at all.

Everyone, except you, are nothing more than virtual NSA proxies.

Don't forget to catch us on Facebook, too.

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12/31/2014 10:54 AM

Thread is already long, but I think I have a slightly different view. I like the banter and quips, but sometimes there is entirely too much of it. And some people just don't use the spell check capability. Perhaps if this multi-click (4 in this case plus preview and post) process were simplified more would use it.

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12/31/2014 2:09 PM

The problem with spell check is that Americans don't speak English.

Seriously though, spell check doesn't fix the to, too, the your, you're, or the there, their and they're problems, but we have to remember that there is a vast variety of nationalities participating here, many of whom do not have English as their mother tongue but who do an amazingly good job of communicating with us in our language.

I applaud them and accept their quite small misdemeanours with what is a very complicated language to use.

On the subject of spell check - the CR4 spell check is telling me that my above spelling of misdemeanours is incorrect, when it is in fact correct English, just not correct American.

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12/31/2014 2:21 PM

Usually when I see someone write in perfect English I assume they are foreign. ;-)

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01/01/2015 8:38 AM

I agree.

Usually when I see someone write in perfect English I assume they are foreign. ;-), to the USA!

Sorry Guys, I love you really!!!

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12/31/2014 3:03 PM

I agree on those whose Mother language is not English; I can usually tell them from those who just can't spell. Same with your spelling of misdemeanours. (Interesting thing: it got a red line, but spell check said it was OK.)

My favorites for things spell check can't flag are site-sight-cite, and rain-rein-reign. The English language has hundreds of them.

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12/31/2014 5:48 PM

Years ago we used a word processer named "MultiMate", one of the early ones. When you misspelled "warehouse" as "wharehouse" as I often did, it would correct it to "whorehouse"! Still it was better than the CR4 spell checker.

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12/31/2014 11:39 AM

People leave because there is not enough discussion about the Cavalier.

(There! Got one more mention of Cavalier into the posts before the year's end. Don't want Google to forget CR4 and the Cavalier experts.)

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12/31/2014 3:04 PM

"The Way" Fastball

"Anyone can see the road that they walk on
Is paved in gold
And it's always summer
They'll never get cold
They'll never get hungry
They'll never get old and grey
You can see their shadows wandering off somewhere
They won't make it home
But they really don't care
They wanted the highway
They're happier there today"

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12/31/2014 4:10 PM

As a regular (and even sometimes avid) comentator, I started hesitating about commenting in various forums as back as 2009, the year GAs rating-system started throwing a monkey-wrench, in the natural flow of conversation threads had, and it all began to become more like a rating-competition.

Competition is not a natural flow of human conversation, and information exchaange in general, as it should be in an easy, not stressed atmosphere

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12/31/2014 4:20 PM

I didn't realise people came and went, I thought they were all there watching, and waiting to respond to questions of interest to them, as I do.

I make helpful comments (or ones that I think are helpful) - then I follow the topic due to email updates and comment again if necessary. Interest in the topic eventually fades out and it drops off the email update.

If the OP is not one on the IHS new list that I can help with, I don't log-on.

So perhaps it is the quality of the OP question......you might not hear from me again ....but I am still here.

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12/31/2014 4:27 PM

I think those that left got discouraged because that bathtub just won't break.

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12/31/2014 4:35 PM

A few years later, it's as hard as it was back then.

It may be just me, but I have a feeling that It may indeed be the hidden cause to to many incidents of very slow user-interface response : every time someone tried to read this thread, the whole system would slow to a halt..

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12/31/2014 4:51 PM

Check out the O2 sensor thread.

It's a hoot.

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12/31/2014 5:17 PM

I haven 't been around that long, and wouldn't overate my value on the forum but can tell you this:

When I first stumbled on the forum, it was googling something (don't remember what, but it was chemical related!!). I stayed around a bit to play with the neat trebuchet and rocket games that my kids liked- admittedly, I did too- and found that CR4 had a level of decency, intelligence and interesting banter that many lack. Quit bluntly though, I don't pay as much attention because the questions often don't seem to be as interesting (to me) as they were just a few years ago- especially when it's an AP!! Having a new daughter also swallows a lot of time.

Now mind you, anything from Del gets an automatic read- waiting for the repeating crossbow- or especially tcmtech responding to lyn (or vice versa)!

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12/31/2014 7:33 PM

Call me naughty, but I got y'all to say 'hi' at the end of year. A very happy New Year to all. It's super to hear from you all, very best wishes to everyone who partakes of CR4.

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12/31/2014 8:07 PM

Happy New Year to you too.

I'll not be up at midnight.

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It's already 2015 here in Australia....Gee... I must be from your future. Scary heh.

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12/31/2014 8:30 PM

I just noticed that I posted YESTERDAY ay 5;18 PM I thought I posted at 9;18 AM today, new years day.

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12/31/2014 9:09 PM

Get a fekkin' grip, man! And have a very good New Year.

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There should be a KaBoom ....

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01/01/2015 12:08 AM

This whole thread reminds me of an axiom I had when hiring, keeping and firing of personnel to maintain a competent staff in the chemical Industry.

If you hire 3 people (three members join CR4): 1 will quit (leave because they choose not to continue to participate in CR4, doesn't like the few aggravating or simple doesn't care to participate); 1 will be fired (many negative responses or "challenged answers" from other participants); or 1 stays (participates in threads that they feel they can contribute to).

Thank you to all those who have stayed and made this an interesting forum, one that meets most "stays" expectations.

Happy New Year, hope CR4 stays as good as it is or even better improves for the participants. (Still can't post pictures!)

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01/01/2015 2:22 AM

On the attaching / posting pic front .. keep the byte size small ... ie, no need for super high resolution to get your point across .. a bit like a CR4 post. So what is the max size of an attached pic? (That should get a couple more replies with an educational point!)

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My pics are normally only 0.3Mb, but I have posted a couple at 7Mb, and they have gone OK, you just have to go and make yourself a cuppa while it loads, can take up to 5 minutes.

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01/01/2015 9:31 AM

Happy New Year!

It is the old 80/20 rule:

8o% of the work is performed by 20% of the people.

80% of the income is generated by 20% of the consumers.

This rule even holds true in ant colonies.

Scientists labeled ants and observed that 80% were goofing off,just making round

trips with no cargo.

20% stay with cr4,and 80% leave due to lack of effort or lack of interest;window shoppers.

Looking back on my working life,I have found this rule to hold true.

So much so that management training emphasizes not to waste your time on

minimum performers,but instead try to get more from the hard workers.

If you want something done, give the job to a busy person..they will find a way to

get it done.

So here is a big THANKS to all of the top 20% that keep the wheels turning!

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01/01/2015 9:38 AM

You need sensitivity training. ;-)

Happy New Year to you and all.

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01/01/2015 10:02 AM

I know of a local self made millionaire that accumulated a workforce of work-a-holics.

He could evaluate a person's work ethic in one day,at the most two days.

In a short period of time,he had a workforce of hard workers.

He had to cull through many applicants to get the cream, but he did it.

He worked hard,and expected you to work hard.

Political correctness -be-dammed.

Quote:"I am not a politician."

Sensitivity be dammed.

He spoke plainly and directly.

In his opinion,the ends justified the means.

He was not a cold-hearted person; to the contrary, I have seen him buy groceries for

a new-hire that needed a leg up to get a fresh start.

And the ones that stayed were always duly compensated.

He does not muzzle the oxen the grind the grain.

IMHO we need more people like him.

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01/01/2015 12:49 PM

So tell us, what is it like being part of the 80%?

Just kidding. Happy new year!

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01/01/2015 1:23 PM

Good one HiTekRednek.

"Now children, there is a wonderful example for us in the ant."
"Every day he goes to work. Every day the ant performs his assigned tasks.
Every day the ant is busy. Every day the ant works hard for the community.
And in the end, after all the hard work, what happens?"

A hand goes up, "Somebody steps on him!"

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I felt really sorry for the hypnotist I saw last night.....
He hypnotised 7 guys.... Then he dropped the Mic on his foot and yelled F??k Me!......
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Rest of my life...........

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01/02/2015 5:07 AM

Here is joke:-

Patient like you went to Dr. for P... problem. He was told he needs operation. Dr. cut his P..... and kept near window. A hungry crow came and he took away the P... Dr. was shocked, thought what to do?. He saw a dog on the street, he caught him and removed his P.... and fixed on the patient. Everything went well. After few days patient visited DR., who asked him "How was he feeling" patient replied "Dr. everything is fine but when I go for Pee I have to lift my leg up.".

Just for fun.

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01/01/2015 11:03 AM

For me, I found the repeatedly failing "preview" fiasco very off-putting.
When something does not work correctly (or as it's supposed to) coupled, with
no means of inspiring any correction (I tried at least twice) then I give up.

Not for me to question why, life's too short. Then, with over 2000 spam emails a day
(yes, I have a spam filter) I was coerced into changing my email address. If only they
were as interested in me, as they are in my (empty) wallet. This very effectively cut
me off completely from receiving any CR4 messages. Peace enveloped my small world.

Now my craving returned for some intelligent conversation with informed engineers.
With none to be found I had to return to CR4 to get my daily fix of friendly advice.
Please come back CR4 members. To actually chose being sent to Coventry is idiocy.

Seriously; members fall ill or die, some are put off (bullied) but, without the "banter"
we would all be robots, stating information to the best of our ability. The exceptions
make the difference; help destroy the boredom, and, I think we should all laugh more.

No one is going to get out alive, and the world is big enough for all. So what is life
but a cross we carry. Fool is he to take it seriously, yet only strive to benefit others.

First: Do no harm. Then laugh and enjoy all you can. It raises my spirits to read the
members comments; the happy helpful some times hilarious advice and comments
because, it conveys the comradeship and the joy of life to which we all aspire.

Regretfully not all situations are comic, or worthy of laughter, to some persons.
It is at time like this I fall from grace, and am truly sorry. In (a poor) defense I say:
life goes on and, if we need to over come grief, laughter is the best mediciene.

In all sincerity I wish all the members a Happy New Year, keep smiling. :-)

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01/01/2015 11:29 AM

That reminds me:

Latest from the stock market:

Lead sank to a new low,and helium is up in light trading.

Jeans are down, dresses are up, and everyone is going in the hole.

Quasimoto falls from the roof and lands on the street below.

The police ask a passer by"Do you know this guy?"

"No.But his face rings a bell."

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01/01/2015 2:18 PM

It's Xmas and Quasimodo goes into a pub and asks the barman for a whisky.
The barman says " Bells O.K.?" Quasimodo answers, "Mind your own business!"
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The police came to my front door last night holding a picture of my wife.
They said, "Is this your wife, sir? Shocked, I answered, "Yes."
They said, "I'm very sorry and afraid it looks like she's been hit by a bus."
I said, "I know, but she has a lovely personality and she's so good with the dog."
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Just walked out of my job at the helium factory... Nobody speaks to me in that tone!

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01/01/2015 4:41 PM

Sorry Andy - guess I cannot please every (any) one?

One thought: people who smile live longer. jt.

(will not chase anyone away with another joke here.....)

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01/02/2015 4:53 AM

The exact meaning of what you wrote is not very clear......

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01/01/2015 7:07 PM

A woman walks into a bar and orders a beer.

"Anheuser Busch" the bartender asked.

"Fine" she said."And how's yerdick?"

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01/01/2015 7:23 PM

Horse walks in to a bar.

Bartender says, " Why the long face?"

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01/01/2015 7:45 PM

Andy - what on Earth prompted you to cut'n'paste from jt's post on the same dam' thread? You feeling ok?

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01/02/2015 4:57 AM

A mistake, my apologies to all. I was sending it to my children and posted it on the wrong blog.

Getting old!!!

Happy New Year 2025!!

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01/02/2015 5:01 AM

Wrong blog or wrong grog?

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01/02/2015 5:16 AM

LOL!!

It was a bit of both!!! We had a really great Christmas and new year!! and the days in between.

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Good jokes 98 & 99.

Invoice received by boss: "Knocking out dents - 15 minutes = £50."

He sends it back - "that's excessive. £200 per hour - resubmit a breakdown and realistic price."

Invoice received "Knocking out dents - 15 minutes = £1. Knowing where to knock =£49"

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Invoice to householder from plumber: "Fixing leak and unblocking drains in emergency call-out = 30 minutes = £250.

The house complained that it was more than he was paid as CEO of a national company. The plumber replied that it was more than he earned when he was CEO of a national company before he packed it in.

In order to remain on topi,c in the spirit of the discussion - there needs to be a 'Joke' rating button.

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01/01/2015 8:40 PM

Guy walks into an outback bar with an ugly dog. A bloke says "what sort of dog is that?" The guy answers "it's an engineers dog" The bloke responds "Oh! I get it. If I kick him in the balls he will make a bolt for the door." "no way" the bloke says " but he will make a spring for your nuts!"

I too can't post pics in IE but I can if I open the CR4 thread in Chrome. I cannot disable IE. It is embedded in my email program which is Outlook formed from a collaboration with Telstra and MS. I don't believe they were married.

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01/01/2015 9:15 PM

Switch IE to Mozilla Thunderbird .... join the strength .... with flexibility .... and adding pics might be a whole lot easier in 2015? (Yes, you can import your address book etc).

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Pommie walks into a bar with a Toad on his head.

The barman says "What's this all about?"

The Toad says "Would you believe that it started out as a pimple on my ass.

Sorry to all the Poms out there, but I'm an Aussie, and it's in my DNA to pick on you.

Speaking of that, did you know that diarrhoea is hereditary...Apparently, it runs in your genes

Last one..

Two Blondes walk into a bar... You'd have thought one of them would have seen it.

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Cont. of jokes:

A couple walks in the bar and ask the bar tender for a drink. The bar tender noticed "Sir, you have a beautiful wife". The guy replied " Yap, sort of, it's a thing when you're doing engineering stuff."

A second couple comes for a drink and bar tender says "Sir, I'm sorry to ask, but you must be an engineer too?" The guy said "Wow, how did you know?" . The bar tender said " obviously Sir, you have a beautiful wife". The guy replied "Actually, she's my Boss' daughter"

ANOTHER FUNKY VERSION:

A second couple comes for a drink and the bar tender says "Sir, Im sorry to ask, but you must be an engineer too?" The guy said "Wow, how did you know?" The bar tender shake his head and serve him the the mug of beer in silence. In mind "Obviously, your face looks like the mugs butt and your company taste like Guinnes".

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01/02/2015 5:53 AM

A man goes to the doctor with a frog on his head.

"What can I do for you?"

"Hey doc,get him off my ass,will you!"

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01/02/2015 6:50 AM

Still here, still lurking. Wishing all a happy new year from the cr4wlspace.

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01/02/2015 8:44 AM

Jokes continued:

A white horse goes into a bar for a drink. The bartender says "Do you know we have a whiskey named after you!" The horse replies "What ! Eric? -I'll have a double then"

A monkey goes into a bar for a pint of lager. He pays with a £20 note. The barman, thinking the monkey wouldn't know about money, gives the monkey £1 change. The monkey drinks up without comment. The barman, being curious about the silence and trying to make conversation, says they didn't get many monkeys coming into their bar. The monkey replied "I'm not surprised at £19 a b****y pint"

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01/02/2015 9:34 AM

All jokes aside .... surely the question now is how to aim for a wider audience with an injection of new ideas, experience and questioning?
Meanwhile ... I have to check the recipe, I seem to have lost 3 days since Christmas ... so much for this heavy consumption Wild Turkey diet.

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01/02/2015 9:57 AM

Thank you to all the members who have shown support for me in the kindest way.
Also, thank you to Andy for his explanation. (I have no wish to offend anyone.)

Personally I am thankful we are still here for 2015 and, that we have yet another day in which to play!

I marvel because, every day is a gift; one we can appreciate, more and more, with age.
Smile and be happy while we can; forget the pains and struggles, while still able.

Keep it up CR4. (as the actress..... ) jt.

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"No" says the waitress "Their normal size"
"They'd have to be pretty old" says the man?
"No" replies the waitress "they're fresh today."
"There must be something wrong with them then?" says the man
"No" replies the waitress "They're just regular lobster tails"
"Okay" says the man "I'll have one"
So the waitress takes the man's money and sits him down and says,

"Once upon a time there was a big red lobster......"

I saw a fortune teller the other day. She told me I would come into some money.
Last night I rooted a sheila called Penny - was that spooky or what?

I was in the gym this morning when I noticed a hole in my trainer just big enough to
get my finger in. Anyway, she's now made a formal complaint and I'm barred for life.

Thousands of roads across Britain are blocked by reporters telling us it's snowing....

Love you all.

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01/02/2015 11:45 AM

I thot I'd try migrating and lost my compass. The good news is I'm still NOT gluten free.

Besides, Del told me you became an interior decorator in a stand up shower. Life without the bathtub just wasn't worth the scrub!

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02/22/2015 8:24 AM

I can think of 3 who have left that were rude and combative. Many of us are tempted to scald some silly entries, but some went too far with unjustifiable criticism and I'm glad they have gone.

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02/22/2015 10:09 AM

Dead right.....

Don't forget the Chinese spies either.....we got rid of them as well, not that it was difficult....

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02/22/2015 11:20 AM

Gees I thought this thread played out weeks ago. Oh well it at least keeps everybody talking, mostly on civil terms or does it?

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03/23/2015 8:23 AM

I have just found this thread and decided to post a reply cause I made myself the same question many times. It is true our interests change over the time, we get new jobs, new interests, pass away... etc. I may be wrong, but I remember CR4 being a fun place where clever people interchanged experiences ... but mainly because they did it in an irreverent way. This "irreverence" sometimes leaded to discussions that may have been considered as "not appropriate" by some short-minded. As most members were clever people, discussions were auto limited and did no harm... and if they did, they left no lasting scars... or perhaps they left a lesson on whom not to tease.... or perhaps on how to post the next question after having done some previous research in order not to be fooled; thus increasing the quality of the discussions. Then came more stringent "rules": the intention may have been good, but (i believe) they had the undesired effect of shooing many members away. Smart people don´t like too many rules... and that is what makes them clever! Can you imagine Mozart being told not to fool around with the keyboard of his piano.. cause his music makes no sense ... or Einstein not publishing weird ideas decades before they could be proved ? I go for the free speech (even when saying nonsense) ... cause sometimes a silly or naive approach to a problem is the first step to solve it! On the other hand, if someone felt offended for ever, he / she does not deserve to be a member of CR4

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03/23/2015 9:48 AM

You said quite rightly:-

"On the other hand, if someone felt offended forever, he / she does not deserve to be a member of CR4"

I can fully agree with that comment, someone else on CR4 fits into that perfectly....once he is no longer your "friend", he is forever your enemy!

Can anyone here guess who?

If yes, do you trust yourself to name him?

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