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Who's Worried About Armed Autonomous Robots?

Posted September 19, 2009 7:48 AM

Professor Noel Sharkey, AI and robotics expert, University of Sheffield is worried. For one, the U.S. military is going full-speed ahead in deploying unmanned weaponry. In fact, there's a scramble to train thousands of 'point and click' killers ASAP to operate weapons like the Reaper MQ-9 drone. Similarly, Israel already uses the fire-and-forget Harpy. The loitering missile detects then destroys any source of hostile radar automatically. Civilian and friendly fire casualties most notably have some worried. To what extent should humans be in control? What other alternatives might be considered?

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09/19/2009 8:45 AM

Considering the Friendly fire record of US forces... just about anything will be an improvement.

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09/19/2009 1:14 PM

U,S, Forces .........do not forget Al-Qaeda, or have you....already.

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09/20/2009 6:18 PM

Amazing!

Yet no one gets even annoyed when Taliban, Saddam's Iraq, Palestinian Hamas or Hez-b-allah, or Al Qaeda uses their own women and children for human shields.

For you information, doing that is against the Geneva Conventions.

Every one of those fore-mentioned organizations purposely target civilians, but that is okay in your mind? Are they your heros?

I can't imagine your argument for your position, but please, bring it on so everyone can see it.

For that matter, "Guest", why not just join CR4 so you don't have to wear a "mask" just like the fore-mentioned organizations do.

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09/20/2009 6:22 PM

He's more than likely already registered.

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09/21/2009 7:51 AM

Grow up you commie pinko fag. It is a WAR. People get hurt.

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09/20/2009 12:37 AM

No. 5 IS ALIVE... ! ! ! If you don't know what it means, you may to young to really discuss this topic.... (hint he was in a movie about armed war robots) Seriously though, I think it is a bad idea.....I work with computers EVERY day.. they make errors just like we do.

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09/20/2009 3:41 AM

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09/20/2009 7:39 PM

I have no problem with remote weapons when they allow us to get the bad guys without putting any of our guys into harm's way. Thus far, there is still a human holding the trigger. With the camera / sensor data coming to the operator, it wouldn't matter if the distance is 10 feet or a hundred miles, it's still a human decision.

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09/21/2009 11:29 PM

"I have no problem with remote weapons when they allow us to get the bad guys"

I have several questions about that statement, Jerry.

First, which "bad guys"? When I was in the Military sometimes it was damn difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys, and that was when you were close enough to smell them. How will someone sitting in a bunker miles away be able to discern the difference when the "bad guys" look just like everyone else?

Two, these are remote guided machines, hackers are getting smarter every day. How long after these are deployed before one or more are "grabbed out of the air" and flown into the aforementioned control bunker? Or used against the "good guys"?

Finally, having experienced combat PERSONALLY, I, for one, NEVER want the human race to think war is easy or clean or safe. I would want all of humanity to understand that war is horrific, terrible and an appalling waste. It should always be the last resort.

And if the worlds leaders have to resort to war in ANY circumstance other than defending their nations borders, they should be seen as the small minded fools that they are, and removed from office.

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09/22/2009 6:17 AM

Well, I spent 8 years in but never saw any combat, though many of my friends did; some of whom never made it back. With that in mind, I can understand your point of view, though I think that "boots on the ground" will always be a necessity; but if they don't have to be there right now, then they shouldn't be. As far as systems being hacked, it happens all the time and is all the more reason for us to maintain our technological lead. To your last point, there are times when one must take preemptive measures. We have done it in the past to good effect, and have neglected to do so to our loss.

Thank you for your service-Jerry

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09/21/2009 2:41 AM

To what extent should humans be in control?

I believe that humans should remain in Complete control for the foreseeable future.

Fuzzy logic and decision-making algorithms have their uses, but a real thinking 'autonomous' machine is far into our future (if ever). I guess I'm with the general in the movie "War Games" when he said that he was worried about giving war making decisions over to "a bunch of silly-cone diodes" and taking humans out of the loop. Very Scary stuff!

Also, another caveat that I can see, even with strickly remote controlled war-bots, is making war easier and less messy from a casualty standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for anything that might decrease the loss of life in a conflict, but will the increased use and availablity of these devices make the decision to start a war too easy?

War is supposed to be messy and horrible, something to be shunned by all thinking and rational humans! Killing people at a distance, for any purpose, is turning into a cold and emotionless video game. Very disconcerting at best.

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09/21/2009 7:50 AM

I am, I have never seen a technology which was imune to failures. A Random failure of an armed autonomous robot might kill untold numbers.

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09/21/2009 1:28 PM

Israel already uses the fire-and-forget Harpy. The loitering missile detects then destroys any source of hostile radar automatically. Civilian and friendly fire casualties most notably have some worried.

As opposed to 'scuds' I suppose

Yeah let us suppress any and all tools of aggression including armies and navies, militia, police, neighborhood watch, PTA etc.. We can't agree on peanut butter but we should

If there were signs indicating camping out near fire control center as hazardous

Just stay on side off the play ground guppy.

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09/22/2009 12:59 AM

how about screw this

its to complicated

the computer keyboard breaks my manicured highly polished euopean nails

and if be kill them all how will I get my nails done exoticly

you know the ones that have funny faces on them

lets have peace

what have we done here

where are we truliy going with our tech

bigger better faster smarter

what happens with the math a maticaly equations of logic

in its pure and raw form of 01100110

the we are the reason they have evolved

oh yea army goverment college University

we are constanly explore our mirred image of our selfves

this would all scare me but I am to immuned to this

good side of all this retoric

hey I can make these things to the moon walk like MJ

your worrid about armed automas robo hobos

lets just kill them all

where does the knowledge to stop come from

I am 60 years old will I lose my youth waiting

I am building robotis now

there better than yours

mine do not kill

they do not walk dance or do rap

they do what they are told

oops was I not suppose to say the human grail

out load so everyone hears

Oh yea they do what they are told

here is my question

who gets to wisper in there ear

come on ichey coo

just kill half the good looking guys in this village

you know here is a jpeg of what to look for

oh yea I get sever artis at 70 so be quick about it

here is the true question

when do we build the utilmate and multifastis

extremly kool and on my side robo-god-dog

will that be a civillian review board to pick the point and shootem up coach pototes who never left the block

with the exception the trulls that migrate to the video stores

are we giving these kids the power of decision

was this the truth in the question

or do you want to refer to the wisperer

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09/22/2009 2:55 AM

Ok.....?????? WTF Johnny Flash????? Even rap songs make more sense. I could sure use some of whatever you're shootin' or smokin'!

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09/22/2009 7:05 AM

makes sense....60 years old....New York......flower child.....woodstock.

Perfect example........Just Say No to drugs.....

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09/22/2009 9:21 AM

Too late!!! He apparently didn't pay attention in THAT class!

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09/23/2009 12:56 AM

lighten up he hasn't found the right pill...

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09/23/2009 9:56 AM

Gotta give him "E" for effort. He's apparently still trying!

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09/25/2009 11:27 PM

Chemical Calistenics Lyrics

Artist: Blackalicious

Neutron, proton, mass effect, lyrical oxidation, yo irrelevant

Mass spectrograph, your electron volt, atomic energy erupting

As I get all open on betacron, gamma rays thermo cracking

Cyclotron and any and every micYou're on trans iridium, if you're always uranium

Molecules, spontaneous combustion, powLaw of de-fi-nite pro-por-tion, gain-ing weight

I'm every element of brown

Lead, gold, tin, iron, platinum, zinc, when I rap you think

Iodine nitrate activate

Red geranium, the only difference is I transmit sound

Balance was unbalanced then you have a little talent andCareful, careful with those ingredients

They could explode and blow up if you drop then

And they hit the ground

Let it flow, yo, just let it go, get back

C-O-H-O-2 wine water solution of calcium hydroxide

Slobbin it, C-A-O lime will make bleach powder

Galvanic metal beats stomp out louder

Dried ice, C-0 squared refrigerantN-O-2 makes you laugh, it's laughing gas used by the gimmicks

I nearly added acid glue, I'm like oil of a toil, the king of chemicals

And the G heat gas waved all your mats

Chemical change, ice point, melt all your raps

Atomic weight, hold shocks, when you call

Refillable gas keep going way beyondill with buzzin, feel the ambiance

A diabetic process outta calm your ass

After I warm your ass, I'll give sodium, silicate N-O-2-S-1-O-3, a water glass

Borax flexure full of brimstone sulfurBoraxic acid, hip-hop preserver

C-O-2 could never put away the fire

Style aroma is scientific; the lyrical fuse would be connected

To teach you chemical calisthenics

The Theory is that all matter is composed of at least three fundamental particles

Protons, electrons, neutrons, Protons charge is positive

By now you've guessed electrons are probably negatively charged

Neutrons don't follow either, neutral, in the middle, only no apologies

Centered, unmoved by yin and yang ideology

Neutron, bomb songs, electron fury

Cosmic musical radio-activityDifferent points in joints within infinity

Oxygen and hydrogen alive within all types of energyWithin all types of energy

Within all types of energyWithin all types of energy

Within all types of energy, inside a world, inside a world

Inside a universe, inside of me existing although I can't see it

Hydrocarbon, nitrogen cycle, ionization

Heavier than electric motor metals the way

This has been a chemist, Blackalicious creation

Clean out your desk, put your papers away cause class in almost done

This is chemistry plus calisthenics

I'm calcium plus potassium, magnesium, newspaper of sodium, sulfate

Your solvent, chloroform, remedy from the normglycerin, purest form Titanium..

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09/26/2009 11:45 AM

Refer back to #14!!

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09/26/2009 11:58 AM

Not my lyrics, not the typical rap song.

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09/26/2009 8:53 PM

Hello lighthasmass

Even though the 'song' leans toward chemistry, it is still rather jumbled. I listened to it on youtube. Maybe it's just be me, but I can't get past the rap style.

As to teaching young people with music, I always liked the "Schoolhouse Rock" series. At least they made sense.

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09/28/2009 4:28 PM

I agree, rap can be an acquired taste. I'm a bluegrass listener personally, but have enjoyed some of the rap artists who have moved away from the "bling", cars and sex focused rap. It is an interesting modern art form.

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