Call me crazy but since I'm still of the belief that H1N1 was developed by the very same companies who are providing the vaccines I'm going to have to steer clear of the shot myself.

Interesting idea. Are the Grays or Blues involved as well?

In the 1600's, Typhus was called tyhe "Black Plague." People burned the houses of those infected, sometimes, with the sick inside, to purify their souls. It was thought that the afflicted were practicing witchcraft. "There, but for the grace of God, ..."

I AM MORE EDUCATED AND WILL GET THE SHOT. The worst it can do is kill me, then my troubles will be over.

I am with Kaplin whilst the virus may not be a direct result of manipulation, current practice in animal husbandry eg mad cows in Britian, chicken flu in asia, now swine flu means something is going on with what companies are doing to "meat" the demand for produce. I think it is called up selling or do you want fries with that.

No.

I will get the vaccine - if it ever becomes available. Declaring an emergency now, trying to increase vaccine production now, is like "closing the barn door after the animals have all escaped".

Let me say that I have never taken the flu vaccine, other than when it was forced on me (military). I have considered most flu outbreaks in my lifetime to be just "a flash in the pan". But this one is different. From the onset it has been peculiar, affecting not just the very young and the very old, but healthy young adults as well.

Combine this with the fact that it is of the same strain (H1N1) as the infamous "Spanish Flu".

From Wiki: The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.^[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients.

Will this variation mutate into a similarly deadly strain? I don't think anyone really knows, certainly not me. It could fizzle like a wet firecracker; or it could turn deadly. My bet is on the scientific/engineering medical community to supply a reasonably safe vaccine, so that I don't have to find out the hard way.

P.S. I live in a gambling community, so the question is: Do you feel lucky?

GA Kilo!.....do I feel lucky? As one who came close to 'the end' (courtesy H1N1) and being relatively healthy all I can do is urge people to make informed decisions based on objectivity.

Ahh! Is the supply of a reasonably safe vaccine sanctioned by the scienfific/engineering community? OR is good scientific advise not on the government's agenda? Is political expediency more important than the public good?

I am hesitant to get this government sanctioned vaccine.

While the Thimerosal is a preservative you don't want in your blood stream the accelerators used by two of the shots 3 manufacturers use aluminum and shark squalus to cause the body to hyper react so less virus can be used. The problem is some peoples immune system also attacks the Squalus as well as the virus. The human body produces its own squalus and that comes under attack as well. This was stated by the military in documents in 2002 to be the cause of gulf war syndrome.

A few weeks ago I had surgery and my doctor forgot to fax my release back to work. Does work send me home? No they have me research the H1N1 Nova swine flu virus for my whole shift. Well lets face it, we research as a way of life. Work had about an inch of printed material so I verified it first and then branched out into all sorts of related threads.

This is one of the threads that lead to the cdc and its finding for the cause of GWS. The nasal spray does not have these accelerants in it and the US government announced a few weeks ago the they would only be using the inhaled version, but not why.

Just a suggestion if you go to get the shot check the ingredients and if it has squalus don't use it. The ingested squalus is fine but the injected can have some very nasty reactions.

Brad

Just to clarify: Squalus is the genus name of certain sharks, not a mysterious substance derived from sharks, as your comment seems to imply. The substance extracted from Squalus sharks for use in vaccines is oil from the liver. Since I, like millions of others, take fish oil every day for it's health benefits it is hard to imagine the oil is dangerous.

As to aluminum in the vaccine: One of three aluminum salts may be added (aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, or aluminum sulphate) to improve immune response to the vaccine. At least two of these are used in the treatment of munincipal drinking water! I find it hard to believe the miniscule amounts involved are dangerous.

Then inject some and let your immune system have at it. Eating it an injecting it are completely different reactions by the body. So why did the US government decide to use only the inhaled version?

Personally I don't care what is done with the info I found. Everyone here should be able to do their own research. A whole bunch of the numbers for N1H1 don't add up.

The only difference with N1H1 and the common flu is the age bracket it is targeting. 0-24 is the stated high mortality rate that is less than the common flu.

As for the Squalus the dogfish shark is the source stated not all sharks. Fish oil is just that. Cod liver oil is fish oil.

We have 1000 deaths.

Out of a population of just under 310,000,000.

This is a pandemic?

A national emergency?

This is the most blatant lie yet.

I have a bad feeling about this...

Or, consider this..........the medical profession now has better techniques and medications to save lives.

One is the use of prednisone to retard the bodys immune system (ps it's the immune system that kills) followed by anti-biotics to treat the resultant pneumonia. Tamiflu and other anti viral agents have also been effective.

I certainly hope that those who have children make a decision based on knowledge rather than derision.

ps.....25mcg of thimerosol (mercury) is 70% less than a can of tuna.

Considering the complications involving immune system deficiency I'm not inclined to allow my functioning immune system to be switched off. It's ludicrous...

Yep pneumonia, it's what you get in the hospital

My friends uncle got the heart by-pass then an infection but contracted pneumonia before leaving the in patient care and died non-flu.

wrong......it's the immune system attacking the infected lung cells that causes the lungs to fill up with fluid.

There's many different pneumonococcal bacteria..........and yes, some of these you can get from the hospital. I got mine from a cup of coffee at Starbucks (from a waiter who thought he had a cold...he had H1N1).

How do you know he had H1N1? Or you're throwing that in just for the drama (as I suspect...)?

Because I know him personally. Because I was diagosed with H1N1 (and there are no other flus making the rounds). So was he. His 8 year old was on a respirator from this flu.

What is dramatic about getting the flu from a waiter?

Weird logic that..........

Just for accuracy and clarrity: There are indeed other flu's making the rounds, so unless you have a typing test done, you are only guessing. The CDC has recently reccomended suspending typing, why is anyones guess, but it seems foolish.

As to the topic: After spending weeks researching this for my own family, we are NOT taking the vaccine. Too many doctors are weighing in with "wait", even for some high risk patients I know of in the high risk group.

Several countries are not approving the vaccine except for the most high risk patients such as pregnant women and immune compromised patients (Germany, Scandanavia). Further, Tamaflue is also not what it appears to be; Japan has banned its use for children. Has the US CDC done its job here? I think not. The actions dont fit the circumstances, which makes one wonder what exactly is going on.

As to origin, I fear that this is man made or at least man released. Baxter got caught once last year and I dont believe it was an accident on thier part - somewhat illiogical for the accident scenario. For you doubting Thomases: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

This should really scare everyone.

I fear that this is man made or at least man released

Could be why it is a hybrid virus and the much too do over its pandemic.

Hybrid because it is a combination of swine, avian, and common flu.

Many naturally occurring viruses are hybrids, that's what makes them so hard to combat. They have the ability to mutate and change. One of the reasons HIV is so hard to combat because it takes on part of it's host DNA from each person. So each infected person has a slightly different strain of the virus.

Baxter "accidentally" releasing Avian flu with seasonal flu vaccines is a real serious f*%#@ up. My readings on this is that it is not possible to do it "accidentally". They, of course, are one of the company's contracted to make H1N1 vaccine........ This whole thing makes my hackles stand up.

My family and me will NOT be taking the vaccine.

As of right now no other flu is going around. Influenza A is not going around yet.

Suspended typing was stopped according to my doctor and my child's doctor because there have been a 90% positive for H1N1. They said instead of wasting your money on the testing they are stating anything that meets the symptoms of H1N1 is it and treating it that way. I think it's the insurance company not wanting to put out for the testing.

I did some research on the Japanese ban on Tami-flu, it seems more of an overreaction then anything else. They are saying that there is a 1.24 percent chance for children between the ages of 10 and 17 of having abnormal behavior while having influenza and taking Tami-flu. They are also saying that the research which was done in 2006 was very inconclusive and more studies need to be done. Another point is that children between the ages of 10 and 17 normally exhibit abnormal behavior under the influence of influenza. My question what child at that age isn't abnormal? I also want to not that Japan doesn't have a ban on Tami-flu for the treatment of H1N1 only for the treatment of influenza A.

The only conspiracy theory I see in all of this is the media and the insurance/pharmaceutical companies. The media just loves these kinds of stories and loves to scare the crap out of everyone. The insurance/pharmaceutical companies are raking in the bucks now that this is going on full bore.

Sorry, but your facts are not correct; Both H1 and H3 are already in the data for this season, in a small numbers but typical population size for this time of year, or at least in until typing was halted. The suspension of typing then makes the data invalid from that point forward since the only typing being done is on deceased patients now as a standard.

As regards the Tami-flu warning in Japan, please note that the warning was published due to the deaths of 18 children believed to be tied to the bizarre behavior from taking Tami-flu. The effect of most drugs on children is not well studied, so it makes sense to be very careful.

A global conspiracy? I don't think so, but a single actor perhaps? Could be. A natural occurence, could be that too. The reaction of the US Government - disproportionate.

What reports? What locations? No health agency is showing it that I've seen.

The reports I saw from Japan said that they administered 25 million doses between 2005-2007 and only had "several" deaths and a total of 64 case of abnormal behavior, which they could not directly link to the medication. Heck at that rate you might as well shut down the whole pharmaceutical industry. Even if it's 18 the stats and the research isn't there to shut it down. Heck aspirin kills more people a year, they better ban that also.

It's becoming global with the way the media is stirring this whole thing up. Every time you turn around there's something being said about it all over the world in every county, state, city, etc. You feel the government would make out better by releasing H1N1 into the population or making it? I makes more since that this flu is making the rounds and the insurance and pharmaceutical companies are having a field day drumming it up directing the Dr, Hospitals, and CDC.

About Oct 20th the CDC announced the H1N1 had peaked an was on the decline. Then on Oct 24th the top dude announced a state of emergency eh?

But the patriot acts I & II have some very heady an scary powers now for the head dude...

I live in the boondocks and usually work by myself. I am never around small kids, so I consider myself low risk. However, I am hoping to land a project that will take me to Egypt for a week around the first of the year. As I was contemplating this, being cooped up on a plane all night, breathing the same air that a hundred or so other people exhaled, and figured it was a good chance at least one of them has H1N1, it seemd as my risk just went up. I'm getting a bunch of other shots in preparation for the trip, so one more shouldn't hurt.

No, I will not get the shot. I realize there are some differences from other strains but all in all I'm not any more concerned about catching it than I am about a cold or any other strain of flu.

This was basically a government-run operation. That explains the delays in producing and distributing the vaccine. It may have been developed and produced by private industry but the effort was largely government controlled and funded (that means taxpayers). When government gets involved, it becomes bureaucratic, forms and studies, which slow down the process. Look at the wait times, the lines of women holding infants while waiting for their turn, and tell me you want this government controlling your healthcare.

I'm sure that money would be better spent in accomodating the lineups by hiring more healthworkers to do housecalls........maybe throw in a personal masseuse or two at the same time.........

A massage would make it more tempting.

Count me in the 'not getting the shot' group. I'm not sure I would take any drug that is rushed to market. How could a realistic assessment of the long-term side-effects be known. What bothers me more is the 'experts' all seem to be on board with 'there is no risk at all' statements. Really? Not one expert has any reservation regarding a drug being rush to the market. During the swine flu scare during the 1970's my family all dutifully got the vaccine. My father's health, along with many others, took a turn to the worse after the injection. Coincidence? Perhaps. Even still I think I'll take my chances with H1N1 if you please.

Why waste the time? It has already spread all over. By the time you receive the shot you will already been exposed to it or have gotten it. That's if it really exists. Last week I went to the doctor cough, congestion in my chest, weakness, chills, and a low grade temp oral 100.1. I told him it felt like bronchitis, which I get every year from allegies. He told I had bronchitis and to take some anti-biotics. My 5 year old daughter went in to school yesterday with a slight cough. They took her temp by her ear, she had a temperature of a 100.5 F. Ear thermometers are always one degree high. School nurse said it was the H1N1. She goes to the Doctor he looks at her takes her temp by ear 100.1 says she has H1N1 no other testing nothing. Now she has to stay at home until Thursday and we had to report it to the school. This morning she up with me at 5 AM running around with the dogs doing her normal morning ritual. The medical field is a joke. They don't really know what's going on. I can diagnosed myself better then they can.

I am really contemplating getting the shot. I think it is safe. The amount of mercury is not even worth mentioning since I don't work or live near a source of mercury emissions or releases. A healthy 27 yr old died from it in Mooresville, IN after hospitalization for the accompanied pnuemonia http://www.wthr.com/Global/category.asp?C=23903&nav=menu188_2 (click on Mooresville h1n1 death in featured videos). H1N1 weakened her immune system to the point that she died of walking pnuemonia. Technically she died from the pnuemonia with the help of H1N1.

No.

Famous last word followed by croaking sound............

In 2006-2007, according to 2009 CDC report, over 56,000 Americans died from flu and pneumonia. Why are we freaking out over a flu strain that has killed 1000? Hell, in 2006, more then 30,000 americans died from suicide.

Anyone find it funny they can whip out a vaccine for a flu virus and get FDA approval in such a short amount of time, but there still isn't an HIV/AIDS vaccine publicly available? More then 15,000 americans die every year from AIDS related illness.

I'm not going to get the vaccine. If I was that worried about my potential health, I'd stop having Marlboro lights and Coca-Cola for breakfast every morning and lay off the cheeseburgers and pizza.

I do believe that it is over-hyped. However, there is the fact that the first family decided not to take the vaccine. That should tell you it is not safe since the President and his family always get the first and best of everything. Oh yeah, and the Navy has decided that they should not give the vaccine to their men and women. Sooo, if they won't take it, then doesn't that say that there is something wrong with taking the vaccine??

Sooo, if they won't take it, then doesn't that say that there is something wrong with taking the vaccine??

I think the decision to take or not depends not upon education level but of how well informed you are overall though it may seem a contradiction it too often isn't.

I also think a study of those whom are of the risk groups that have taken the vaccinations every year without fail would be helpful to determine if these individuals will always remain in the risk category and is there any correlation of health conditions in these groups compared to those whom do not use the vaccinations?

My opinion is that an individual whom observes a healthful lifestyle, good nutrition and ingestion of food products which enable the body to function can beat any flu. It is when a combination of stress, fatigue or less than adequate rest and a perceived dependence on the minimum daily requirements to sustain ones health many are ill prepared for a defense against a virulent viral agent.

not so

In what way?

He was young and involved in sports activities but how does this quantify his nutritive condition, stress, fatigue, etc.?

Certainly heart breaking though...

Apparently very healthy young fellow. Mother is a nurse.

All I'm saying is that if you or anybody exhibits symptoms of shortness of breath get help immediately. This thing is insidious in the way it kills. It's not a prolonged illness....I felt like I had a mild cold and thought nothing of it...until I stopped breathing. I don't mean to harp but my wife and I are carefull with our diet and I thought I'd be the last candidate to get so ill. It's all in the way one's immune system over-reacts to the viral infection. The pneumonia is the result of immune cells destroying virally infected lung tissue causing the lungs to fill up with fluid (hence the pneumonia). Bacterial infection sets in later. In my case the muscle that controls the opening and closing of the air channel into the lungs was what became infected. It went into a spasm. I suspect this is also what happened to this kid.

You will find this very interesting... the rest of the story.

Next this more specifically detailed also

yah.......superbugs ain't exactly kosher when gotten from hospital surroundings.

The articles also point to the danger of a secondary pneumonococcal infection following the first. Mortality is almost guaranteed. I was warned of this by the doctor who treated me. It takes a considerable length of time to fully recover from the first infection.

Latest up-date from CDC for August to end of October.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/

over 56,000 confirm case over 3000 deaths between August and October 2009. All 50 states are included with Puerto Rico and Guam.

If typing stopped in August how can the cases, August through the end of October, be classed as confirmed??

The deaths would have been typed and confirmed though...

Simple for them they are labeling everything H1N1.

Hospitals, morges, etc. to CDC thats my guess.

Because all flu cases are now "swine" flu... looks good for big pharm...

Keep an eye on the Ukraine. There is something odd with the events there. A much higher percentage of deaths, only a few confirmed as H1N1, yet WHO is calling all the cases H1N1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CGHXpFGrzk

Dr Rauni Kilde discusses the Swine Flu 2009

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcHdmnTbH9Q

CDC GUESSTIMATED H1N1 CASES and REFUSED CBS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST !

Sorry, upon further investigation (read Google) the first video lacks the credibility Doctor and Chief Medical Officer implies. The second is interesting though. The CDC seems to be obfuscating the 'real' H1N1 cases.

Dr. Rauni Kilda a real trusted source. The lady talks to spirits and is a paranormal expert, are we really going to believe what she has to say.

Again, sorry. I took her titles at face-value, posted, and then checked her out. The second is a CBS investigative report, though. (not that that makes it more credible)

She's certifiable!

The vaccine doses are presently being rationed, so if you were born before 1950 it is not likely your doctor will comply with your request--doctors will not "waste" doses at the risk of not having them available for susceptible patients--and, by a certain age, the value of a life to society drops in comparison to adults in prime years. !950 is the cut off date for healthy (non-immune-compromised) adults...because those born prior would be assumed to have been exposed during the last swine flue outbreak, and thus immune. That, in fact, is the trend that has shown regarding who now succumbs to contracting and who does not. Those born later than that year are at greatest risk, having not been alive during the earlier swine flue outbreak.

The age based administering of H1N1 is likely to continue regardless of vaccine supply (where large surpluses are unlikely to happen).

Well, I must admit this is a perplexing question to many. You could flip a coin, but I`ll rely on what I told my doctor at the Veterans Hospital the other day. He asked if I wanted the flu shot, and did I also want the pig shot. I said hell no. He looked shocked, and told me he had gotten both that morning. Then I told him, we have not made a vaccine in this country since the early 70`s. He said, yes, so what.?? Our vaccines are made by countries that hate us, and also by the lowest bidder.Why would anybody in their right mind inject something into their body made by people who hate us.Not to mention, by the lowest bidder. He got a worried look on his face, and said: I wish I had talked to you this morning. By the way, my VA doctor is from India.

Thanks for a good chuckle! I would love to have seen your doctors face.

Medical science isn't perfect nor are responsible governments. There is a learning curve. There is also a real possibility they'll get it right.

Heck, they might even come up with a vaccine against angst and conspiracy theories.

I am of the opinion that Duckinthepond is most correct.

I have been recommending that youths get the vaccine.

I am aware that some may die as a result of the vaccine.

According to my study, nothing is safe for everybody, all the time.

I am not taking it as fact the reports of guests that Obama and his family have eschewed application of the vaccine.

I have had the flu before, and actually had a case that was very bad and apparently killed the guy who gave it to me.

I was studying WWI and fell upon "Spanish Flu", and then read about H1N1 so to understand the unique cyclotonic, whatever word, it is that describes the wild trigger for a fatal immunoreactive reaction to the initial viral eat up.

We can expect up to 3 percent of fatalities can be attributed to what amounts to friendly fire.

it is that describes the wild trigger for a fatal immunoreactive reaction to the initial viral eat up.

Transcendian said it Exactly right. Doesn't matter whether you've boosted your immune system or danced with the online H1N1 fandango.......the emerg wards are filling up with those who were perfectly healthy people of all ages.

Mexico is heading for the second round.

I just have to add that I know 1 person who drove a few hours just to get the H1N1 vaccine last week. He became sick the next day and has been sick since.

Unless he had the flu before getting vaccinated......

Takes ten days before the vaccination becomes effective

For something as contagious as portrayed it hasn't shown it's horns yet maybe? The common cold gets around faster??

More bunk??

You can shoot a cannon down Main St. here and not hit nothin'....some schools closed in Ontario and BC. Town down the road totally unaffected. Weird.

Ukraine in big trouble. Mexico waiting for second coming..........

Check this out...

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/209194/index.php

It was starting to make sense until this:

acccording to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu."..............

then it gets worse

Sounds legitimate

er.. seems typical of obfuscation techniques though the report maybe accurate it be excepted at face value by certain political and militant entities those with blind hate and dreams of seventy virgins

So what's really going on here? The Joseph Moshe story is disconcerting at best. He, apparently, is who he says he is. He tried to issue a warning through a radio program and was subsequently arrested in a high profile event. (Threatening the White House) It's worth looking into to see him getting pepper-sprayed and tear gassed for 4 hours sitting in his little red VW. Then he was allowed to leave to Israel without being charged.

I don't know about the rest of it...... Baxter and their vaccine 'mix-up' should have prompted some serious scrutiny of lab practices, but, as far as I know, was only done internally... I mean, come on ..."oops, we almost released an agent capable of killing billions. So sorry... but, here take this; it's safe, we promise"...

The Joseph Moshe story

http://unspy.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/joseph-moshe-mossad/

Threatening the White House

In what way?

Threatening the White House : just the 'official' story. The other story is very disconcerting.

Now THAT is truly frightening

Swine flu cases fall in U.S. but may rise with holiday travel
Mutated form of the virus detected in three Norwegians
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112001820_pf.html

In passing today here in Carrboro NC I saw a headline on a paper in the box stating four cases of mutated H1N1 reported at Duke. Duke is in Durham about 30 miles from where I sit. RDU is the major local airport.

Large Mexican population in NC.

Fair amount of international travel for business reasons.

Frankly I am surprised NC has not been hit harder by the disease.

The realities of vaccines are that as so many other things, they are not perfectly safe.

I'm surprised to hear they have established a known "mutated" strain of H1N1. I didn't think they were testing for H1N1 anymore unless there was a fatality.

Here's the story:

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/11/20/Four-cases-of-H1N1-Tamiflu-resistant/UPI-28991258756546/

Large Mexican Population? And that means what............

Maybe you should rethink that comment.

Remember this was originally called "Mexican Flu", with the first outbreak there...

Yes, I remember, but that is totally irrelevant to the "Mexican" population in your community. With the H1N1 status level at pandemic, you are more at risk from any given child than a specific ethnic group. As a group, children are the most prevalent carriers of virus.

I would also be willing to bet that your "Mexican" population is most likely Mexican, Guatemalan, Argentinian, Brazilian, El Salvadorian, etc.

Swine-flu bribe fever!

U.N.'s H1N1 scientists linked to companies making vaccine

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118262