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Foods Not Suitable for Vegetarian Consumption (Part 1)

Posted May 04, 2010 12:00 AM by Jaxy

For vegetarians, it is commonsense to avoid meat and fish as part of their diet. But what about common condiments like Worcestershire sauce or Caesar salad dressing? Do they contain meat? The answer may surprise you.

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Believe it or not, Worcestershire sauce and Caesar dressings both contain anchovies, which makes eating these condiments unacceptable for vegetarians (unless they are pescetarians – vegetarians that eat seafood). A lot of vegetable soups contain a beef or poultry broth base. It is also important to note that refried beans often have lard in them. There are vegetarian versions for both Worcestershire sauce and refried beans, so ponder the ingredients list carefully.

Candy!

If you were thinking that candy is the one place animal products don't go, think again. Gelatin, which is made from animal bones, can be found in a bunch of desserts. These desserts include marshmallows, hard or chewy candies like Skittles or Starburst, JELL-O, and other gelatin desserts. There are a few gelatin alternatives, such as hypromellose, agar-agar (seaweed), carrageenan, pectin, and konjak. Unfortunately, there are health concerns with some of the alternatives, so do your research to find the best fit for you!

Also, if you see candies that have red food coloring in it, it most likely has cochineal dye (also known as carmine), which is made from insects.

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I once thought that as long as you weren't vegan, consuming dairy wasn't a problem. I was wrong. Yogurt and sour cream are also known to have gelatin in them, especially the low-fat varieties. DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) enriched products, which can include milk, orange juice, margarine, cheese, and bread, also contain gelatin. Cheese is often made using rennet, which is a natural enzyme that is scraped from the stomach of young, unweaned calves. These stomachs are obtained as a by-product of veal production. Rennet extracted from older calves can only be used for special types of milk and cheese. There are cheese manufacturers that use alternative rennet sources that are vegetarian.

Margarine also contains gelatin, as well as whey powder and casein. Casein is most often listed as sodium caseinate, calcium caseinate, or milk protein. Casein can also be found in energy bars, drinks, and other packaged goods. Casein is made using acid and the enzyme rennin (found in rennet) and accounts for almost 80% of the protein in cow milk and cheese. Soy cheese also contains casein to help them melt.

Part 2 of this series will focus on the non-foods that vegetarians may consume that aren't necessarily meat-free.

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05/04/2010 12:16 AM

Interesting stuff, and now I'm hungry.

It's always a fun food time when my brother the vegan comes to visit. I have to be very careful about checking food ingredients, because he won't even eat honey.

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05/05/2010 11:43 AM

What ever happened to people not being such pansies? Why is it that eating anything with meat is a sin? "Vegetarian" old indian word for "bad hunter"

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05/05/2010 11:55 AM

Since your posts confirm your provincial perspective, there appears to be no point in your being on this thread, other than to provoke and badger. Why don't you go bludgeon a cow, cook yourself a burger (or perhaps just eat it raw---only pansies would bother cooking it), and go read something else?

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05/05/2010 12:05 PM

wow very aggressive direct attack there, off topic and irrelevant to the overall discussion. I am guessing vegetarian by some deep seated psychological issue driving this disdain for meat and the people who may consume it.

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05/05/2010 12:14 PM

I see, so it's OK to label people 'pansies' because of their food choices, whether those choices are dictated by religious, health, or some other code of ethics?

Just to clear the board here, I am not a vegetarian.

There are some sweeping generalizations being made here. My diet is about 80% vegetarian, and I could not care less if the other 20% has parents, eyes, a cute face, or an advanced degree. I eat this way because I like it and it makes me feel fit. OK?

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so now your saying there is something wrong with being effeminate?

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05/05/2010 12:25 PM

LOL, thanks for the larf. I'm outta here; heading over to the 'feeding snakes' blog. Wonder how they taste....?

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Oh while his comments were regarding the topic he was definitely trying to incite someone with strong opinions, faith or beliefs to attack him directly rather than staying on topic.

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05/05/2010 12:29 PM

Sue is not attacking the guest for any other reason (that I know of) besides the fact that he/she is being very close-minded about vegetarianism. No vegetarian that I know of thinks of themselves as better than anyone else, nor do they look down upon people who choose to eat meat. As Sue pointed out, regardless of why you choose to go vegetarian, you should not be judged as harshly as the guest is stating. The guest is being very offensive by calling vegetarians "pansies" merely because they don't eat meat. I am behind Sue, Guest is being close-minded and name-calling is just inappropriate. Yes, humans are omnivores, but they also have a choice to partake in whatever diet they prefer and makes them feel good.

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05/05/2010 12:23 PM

MMMM!!! Burgers. I love burgers. You make a good point I should listen to you more often. I should go bludgeon a cow and make hamburgers. I am not trying to provoke. Because your belief states that you should eat no meat, then by all means go for it. However, when people want to outlaw my meats and all the by-products of it just because it is not their way but is mine then I have a problem.

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05/04/2010 9:00 AM

Just let'em starve to death ! they're not normal ! They pretend to ignore that we have fangs and nails and both eyes front-oriented; and that our mothers were designed to produce milk at the moment of our birth.

Aren't they aware of the health issues derived from animal protein defficit?

Bunch of tripe hippies !, just want to oppose anything, try to be "different" or simply refuse what is commonly accepted in spite of the good reasons that support it (omnivorous diet in this case).

Now, I'm not saying that everything accepted by the masses is correct (or even acceptable), but come on ! this is basic.

I've always believed that there is no knowlwdge or tool that replaces common sense, and in this case I would add: if your common sense fails, use your basic instinct.

Cheers ! or should I say Cheerios?... no, they contain gelatin.

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05/04/2010 9:22 AM

Yes, well, some people tend to ignore the fact that even though brains are present at birth they are not necessarily used.

Animal protein can be replaced by legumes, beans, and complete grains such as quinoa.

I'm sure that the millions of adherents of Hinduism and Jainism will be delighted to learn that you consider them 'not normal'.

Please, don't hold back---tell us how you really feel.

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05/04/2010 10:33 AM

Well, you say "can be replaced..." not: "should, by nature, be replaced.."

And about Jainism (nice sculptures, by the way) and hindi-pop or whatever; those are man made philosophies, nothing we were born with, to clarify: you didn't chose to have five fingers, but you can chose what to worship instead, even better if no God fulfills your soul needs, you can create one (it's been done, a lot).

I didn't get your initial comment about the not-yet-working brains of the new born, please explain.

Forgive my rudeness lady, I'll try to refrene myself to respectul terms while talking to you.

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05/04/2010 2:36 PM

I'm not insulted by your post but I think the way you summarily dismiss vegetarianism, simply because you don't agree with it or find it to be natural within your world view, might be less than respectful to others.

Never mind; we should just stick to the blog topic.

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05/05/2010 11:58 AM

Humans are omnivorous. In the biological societies we understand that there are herbivores, carnivores and omnivores and each one has been accepted to do exactly what they do naturally. No one would expect a lion to substitute peanuts in favor of a zebra, simply because that is what it naturally craves. If vegetarians want to live without eating meat or dairy products, then they may do as they wish. The other groups of society shall also do as they wish concerning these matters and will eat what they choose based upon their own teachings. The point is a mute point and will probably go on as long as humans exist. I don't hear anyone arguing against cannibalism.

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05/05/2010 12:05 PM

Then perhaps you should start a separate thread about that.

No one would expect a lion to substitute peanuts in favor of a zebra...

Not so long ago, no one would have expected humans to fly or set foot on the moon. Humans do not fly by nature. I believe this has happened.

Yes, humans are omnivorous by nature, but nature is not static.

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05/05/2010 12:34 PM

Nor do we fly by nature still. We have merely created machines to do our work for us. Lions are carniverous by nature and have been for as long as men have been writing about lions. Men have been omniverous for so long that we have to think and change our own ways just to become vegetarians. I would have to tell my daughter that she cannot drink mommies milk because it is "wrong". She naturally knowing this to be incorrect would look at me weird then go back to drinking her milk. It is not natural for humans to be vegetarians.

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05/06/2010 9:27 AM

Interestingly, dear guest, Lions and most carnivores take some delight in eating the intestines of their prey.

The last bit tends to be the 'frame'. The muscle and skeleton, "as seen on Discovery Chanel"

If you revisit those documentaries, you will see no neatly discarded stomach and bowel, (stuffed full of greens) - cause they ate it first.

Just as if you feed your cat or dog entirely on meat - they will eat grass (or be constantly be plagued by a range of problems)

Just as 'vegetarian animals' eat insects happily, carnivores need a bit of veg.

As you should too - unless you wish to suffer any number of deficiencies - well - more than already. Perhaps consider some vitamin K and a trace of lithium?

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05/06/2010 10:56 AM

"Just as if you feed your cat or dog entirely on meat - they will eat grass (or be constantly be plagued by a range of problems)"

True to an extent...the BARF (bones and raw food) diet upheldby many in the dog world to be the best way to feed, contais 60% meat, and 40% rice and veggies.
Even commercially prepared pet food contains rice or grain and veggies.

However, the grass part? Truth be told, no one knows why dogs and cats eat grass. It does not satisfy any craving for vegetable matter, is not at all digestible (as evident by the mess on the carpet shortly after) and, in some cases, can actually do damage to the stomach or small intestine if ingested in large amounts. Some believe that animals eat grass to make themslves vomit (hey, that works really well!!!!) if something they ate earlier (that dead, rottng thing they dug up in the garden?) didn't exactly sit well. Others say they do it because they like the taste. Still others say there is a trace mineral or enzyme in grass that they crave. But studies have not proven any of these to be true.

My dogs eat horse poop and love it. And that's fine, in moderation, and as long as they don't eat grass afterward!

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True of very green grass Mrs R. Maybe I should have said vegetable matter.

Stock droppings are a favorite with working dogs on a meat only hand out. Duck dropping bring a new meaning to BARF.

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05/05/2010 3:03 PM

hmm, not sure if your comparison makes sense. Nature is relatively static when comparing it to technological advancements by humans. Travel to the moon and such are still not a natural evolutionary adaptation to human beings, we have to dramatically augment our natural adaptaions with our technologies in order to do these activities you describe. So while we might make technological advancements that allow us to do something, that does not necessarily mean your body will adapt to doing that action on its own and will likely always need the technological augmentation. Our technologies require energy to augment our lack of adaptation to changed conditions, and we may need energy also supplied to produce an environmental condition suitable for our survival while operating within our technological advancements.

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05/04/2010 5:34 PM

Very well put. Too subtle for the Neanderthal though.

For you, Guest,

Neanderthal:

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Thank you Lyn, at least you recognize I'm in the correct chain, and that I don't have (or pretend to have) hoofs and quad stomach.

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Actually, that's a Pithecantropus Erectus, Not a Neanderthalensis specimen, only a hybrid of both wouldn't see the difference.

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05/04/2010 6:33 PM

Hmmm... just a couple comments on the candy section.

First I wouldn't worry about cochineal being used in candy. The chances of this expensive natural dye being used for mass production of candy are very slim. Think chemicals, when you see red.

Second for gelatin alternatives: I think the first marshmallows were actually made by boiling the roots of.. marshmallows - a lovely flower, rich in mucilage like its relative the hollyhock. These plants are safe edibles. Pectin is also very safe.

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05/04/2010 7:07 PM

I do not know if the vegan just believe its healthier to eat vegetables or because of animal rights.

some its are not total correct these days such as;

Cheese is often made using rennet,

This enzymes (rennet) can be made in the lab which is becoming more accepted., except of more of the artisan cheeses which still uses the old world traditions.

Off the subject a little, the Arabs would carry milk in goats stomachs as containers and after traveling in the hot sun, they had curds. and invented cheese,

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What about beer (ale). Lots of brewers use isinglass as finings to make the yeast flocculate. Isinglass was traditionally made from the swim bladder of the sturgeon, but, now other fish are often used.

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05/05/2010 11:26 AM

One of the biggest heart breaks I ever experienced was when someone told me that there was lard in most commercial cupcakes and deserts like Ho-Ho's.

I just close my mind to any insinuation that any animal products may be used in making beer.

I have been a vegetarian for 10 years now. We do eat fish periodically, so I guess my wife and I are more semi-vegetarian.

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pescetarians – vegetarians that eat seafood

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05/05/2010 11:30 AM

Wow, that makes it official then!

I was never vegan , but was an ovo-lacto vegetarian, meaning I would eat eggs and dairy products.

But now, I have a new designation.

Thanks, Jaxy!

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What is a vegetarian who doesn't eat anything with a pretty face or eyes, and doesn't eat fish or seafood because it is disgusting (and like most vegetarians feels very strongly that others should be willing and be required to partake in her beliefs)?

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Lonely?

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05/05/2010 4:37 PM

The true about vegetarian is not always what the people thinks.It is not a kind of church or a secret club. It is not a belief or way of life.

The true is that the human body doesn't metabolize the long protein from animals and that produce several problem inside the human body this condition bring down the calcium and make some of the most problematic sickness that inflict the human body. That is why some people become vegetarian. No all vegetarian know about this. More of them are vegetarians because they know their bodies react fantastic. You can feel this by become vegetarian at least four months, but you must to be 100% vegetarian. This mean you don't eat meat of any king including sea food, milk, cream, butter, eggs, even honey and anything that came from animal. Open your mind and do not be afraid about things you don't know.

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05/05/2010 5:19 PM

Ok that whole commentary was

a. incorrect. Plants have some more complicated longer chain proteins than animals, as a matter of fact plant biochemistry is frequently more complicated than animal biochemistry, simply because plants have evolved to be immobile and use advanced chemistry for all their needs include nutrient extractions ex-situ, defense, procreation, multi-species attractants,and numerous molecular controls against varying adverse environmental conditions that animals will just move away from or seek shelter. Plants also have the same general metabolic processes, though steps and proteins differ and may be more complex in plants, as animals plus a few additional ones, like photosythesis, which all require proteins, albiet distinctively different. In addition, proteins in many mammals are nearly identical to those found in humans, to the degree we use them in humans all the time in medical treatment. In order to do the same with degraded plant precursor molecules we have to perform some complicated chemical modifications before we use them. Plants also produce a large number of complicated chemical toxins, animal mutagens, and carcinogens (coal is actually derived from compressing plant tissues, and is full of carcinogens). A large number of the proteins from pigs, cattle, sheep and horse are so similar that many are indistinctive from human proteins. Let alone things like monkeys and apes.

and b. a crazy recommendation. Protein deficiency is the most common form of nutrient deficiency world wide, and was the main cause of the stunted growth in more ancient periods. Animal products are actually the most viable source of proteins, people who are deficient, and stunted, have a short fall of animal meat in their diets, common amongst some hunter gatherers and some areas with rudimentary agricultural capacities to raise plants but lacking in meat production. A lack of proper dietary needs, including meat can have exteremely adverse impacts. We obtain many nutrients from meats we can not efficiently obtain from other sources, without substanital technological modifications or a adverse impact. Protein deficiency can cause a substantial reduction in height and body mass, particularly bone growth and densities. Insufficient effective protein consumption can cause a loss of hieght of 6 inches while remaining viable and active (reasonably health to survive).

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Lack of protein is not the most common malnutrition, it is iron deficiency/anemia [1 p.1]. Protein-energy malnutrition, however, is by far the most deadly. The form of protein-energy malnutrition caused by a lack of protein but not a lack of calories, Kwashiorkor, is usually associated with early abandonment of breastfeeding or mostly confined to regions/instances where a staple food is low in protein but high in carbohydrates and most likely does not provide adequate amounts of the essential amino acids [2]. Most instances of lack of essential amino acids are due to a lack of diet diversification, either by negligence or poverty.

Don't think that you need to eat meat (or dairy/eggs for that matter) to easily meet protein recommendation guidelines, the WHO recommendation for a 70 kg adult is 58.1 g of protein a day (this number is actually a little higher than most people will need, as it covers the needs of 97.5% of the worlds population) [3 p.243]. You could exceed this amount of protein by eating 2000 calories of yellow sweet corn [4], and although you would be lacking in the proper amount of lysine, you would have adequate amounts of all of the other amino acids [3 p.152]. You would have to eat almost 3000 calories (about 21 medium size) of only white potatoes to reach the proper amount of protein [4], but in that case you would have adequate amounts of all of the amino acids [3 p.152]. These are extreme cases to show that it is not difficult to reach the proper amount of protein on a vegetarian diet as long as you eat a variety of foods and enough of them to not starve (which is required in any healthy diet, vegetarian or otherwise). Even a diet of rice and beans would easily meet any protein-related recommendation.

To imply that vegetarianism is to blame for protein-energy malnutrition is misleading, as there are other more significant causes, chief among them poverty and lack of diet diversification. While it is true that the human body most easily uses protein from sources similar to ourselves genetically, humans can still process and use plant proteins and can easily live off of them (and only them). Vegetarian diets do face nutritional issues (such as iron), but to call javier crazy for recommending such a diet, even if his reasons are incorrect, is wrong.


[1] Turning the tide of Malnutrition: Responding to the challenges of the 21st century, WHO, 2000

[2] Protein-Energy Undernutrition, Merck

[3] Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human Nutrition, WHO, 2007

[4] USDA National Nutrient Database

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bloodandiron, Welcome - GA - nice to see some facts and references in this most interesting discussion.

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Easily ?? I'd like to see you eating 21 potatoes, and on top of that, eat a variety of foods and enough of them to not starve, (how about a load of corn?).

Yes Javier is crazy in that he recommends his diet.

It's a good thing that you provided these links, it's enlightening but, we omnivores are just fine in the number we sum. Don't need to push our diets thru nobodies throat. If you're a veggie, thats fine, go for it; just don't try to convince me that I'm wrong and you're right.

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05/07/2010 9:23 AM

That 21 potatoes would be all you had to eat throughout the whole day. And I chose that example (and the corn one) as an extreme one to show that even something with as little protein as a potato can provide all the protein you need for the day. If you eat a balanced load of foods, you will not have to worry about protein no matter if you are a vegetarian or not.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything about whether one diet is better than another, I was simply addressing inaccuracies in RCE's post, mainly that it is not difficult to get the proper amount of protein in a vegetarian diet.

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Ga and great references

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05/05/2010 12:18 PM

what do you call a vegetarian that eats insects?

usually unknowningly.

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05/05/2010 12:46 PM

A frog or maybe a trout. Oh wait what level of cognition is required o define the capacity to "know" their actions?

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05/05/2010 1:04 PM

I have a few friend who call themselves vegetarians. And they wear that badge proudly. They tend not to force it on me, but they do bring it up. I'll asked them about their diet.

And point out specifics. Grains, what type of grains? Commercially processed?

Fruits same thing? Preserves the same?

Then I point out to them they are eating animal proteins though sometime small quanitise, not always. such as worms, bugs, eggs, insects, larvae, small amphibians and reptiles. Then I show them the documentation of allowable of these proteins that are accepted to go in commercial products.

I am not even getting into the thickeners from animal proteins that go into these products. they don't talk to me much about there diets anymore.

But I do enjoy discussing it with PETA activists. And it doesn't stop at food stuffs, that goes to clothing, medications, shelter, transportation.

I just want them to understand when they cross the line. They would be quite naked to the world, but its their choice.

And I do not know if this is off topic, but I understand that advances in brain development in humans only occurred after the humans began eating animal proteins, just due to the proteins were more easily digested.

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05/05/2010 8:40 PM

advances in brain development in humans only occurred after the humans began eating animal proteins, just due to the proteins were more easily digested.

I challenge that. Please provide a source. Check this out.

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05/06/2010 7:03 AM

I'll look for it, one of them as I recall was on discovery channel (others on CR4 scough at that type of source), I see if I can find it elsewhere.

And the proteins were not so much meat from the muscle of the animal as from bone marrow from animals, because they were scavengers.

And yes meat is acidic, this is were they say (medical community) would say its bad.

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05/06/2010 8:56 AM

If you are going to challenge thats fine, and then throw that site in, that is weak because it's bias. Do you realize who supports that site?

But I meet your challenge.

I avoided the pro meat or pro vegan sites because that was very bias and support their own beliefs,

Here is some brief info what I found to support my view

Sounds like seafood helped allot for early man brain development, Still animal protein

and This was actually interesting and was not what I expected or thought of.

This articles was leaning to Vegetarians for brain development and after reading it was surprise and the out come.

Early man brain development and extended life has more to thank to the family nucleus (grandparents), than anything else.

I like to think that a well balance meal is the key and this would reinforce that.

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05/06/2010 12:33 AM

I thought religion was out of bounds

Vegetarianism many time rises to that level of irrational belief

I can't tolerate beef & avoid it mostly

my brother's wife is gluten sensitive

my sister is lactose intolerant

the unwife wouldn't eat green food

when my family gets together we play a game lets plan a meal everyone can eat..

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05/06/2010 7:05 AM

wow, happy thanksgiving

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05/06/2010 10:47 AM

Time was, you'd cook up a big scoff and invite all, and everyone came and ate hearty whatever you prepared.

Nowadays, everyone is on a diet. For health reasons, or for allergies, or for any other reason: the effect is the same. When you invite folks for dinner, you better first ask about their dietary restrictions or be prepared to serve a big dish of uh-oh-you-don't-eat-it.

It's good to know vegetarian and vegan cooking, but also diabetic, high cholesterol, etc etc, and honestly, I'm shocked at the amount of allergies that people are developing, who used to eat freely. It's gotten to be so complicated, sometimes best to go to a restaurant.

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05/06/2010 10:14 AM

Used to be lard, when it was dirt cheap. (and IMO tasted way better!) Now they use shortening, which is soybean based. Still horrendouslybad for you, and tastes lousy.

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05/05/2010 12:33 PM

I am not a vegetarian by any means or definition, but I do refrain from actual meat consumption on a limited basis.

I have many vegetarian and vegan acquaintances, my doctor included.

Vegetarian simply has too many variations to list but is considered to be one who refrains from eating meat, but who may or may not eat animal products.

A vegan, according to my doctor, eats NOTHING that is RAISED, nor any product resulting from that action. It is always due to the choice of having NO impact on ANY animal, wild or domestic.

A true vegan eats only that which is GROWN in the soil, preferably locally, with as little (or zero) processing, transportation, or other impact on the environment as possible.

As a result, many can be considered vegetarian to some extent, but true vegans are very few and far between, and even more that claim to be one or the other, as Jaxy shows here, are absolutely clueless.

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05/05/2010 12:38 PM

I wouldn't call them clueless, per say... They just never thought to affix a specific label on themselves. Calling yourself a vegetarian, vegan, or otherwise is just adding a label. Otherwise, these CR4 members just eat what they want to eat without labeling their diets.

Remember, most of them are just joking and making light.

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05/05/2010 1:06 PM

Funny story. A vegetarian I know went to the Doctor to get a check up because of her iron deficiency. First a little back story, she became a vegetarian, not vegan though, in her late teens around 17 or 18. She eats milk, cheese, turkey and chicken, but nothing with a face or disgusting like seafood, LOL. At anyrate she is in her mid to early 30s, and she has been having a persistent problem with iron deficiency and cholesterol issues. They have had her on medication now for about 3 years and the condition is not improving. she has been to several doctors, apparently not liking the previous recommendations, which she didn't disclose. The most recent doctor was asking her about her diet, and she explained, and apparently he had a realization and suggested she includeg small amounts of red meat in her diet, she implied she had heard this recommendation before and disapproved of it. At any rate when he got back her blood test he realized her LDL/HDL was way offand apparently found himself in a quandry over the red meat thing then, and modified his suggestion to a bunch of prescriptions. this makes me wonder, since we are related, and i eat a ton of red meat, have no iron deficiencies and cholestrerol is at normal level as well as HDL/LDLs, and i am nearly 8 years older. Maybe it is not better to have an unbalanced diet in one food group any more than any other.

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05/05/2010 1:15 PM

This is off topic but back in the mid/late 90's didn't Ingrid Newkirk (head of PETA) doctor recommend her to go on animal proteins because of her anemia?

I heard it on the radio, it was also the same time that they (PETA) did a ad on or for college campus's not to drink milk but to drink beer. At UW-Madison drinking beer was already a problem, they pulled the ads quickly.

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05/06/2010 10:41 AM

I believe so. I think she is diabetic as well (takes insulin), and insulin is animal based.

Don't get me started on PETA.

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05/06/2010 10:40 AM

I have one...Years ago, my sister and I lived in Santa Cruz, CA, in a lovely huge Victorian house 2 blocks from the boardwalk (rented for a pittance, too...those were the days!) We had a lot of house mates, and every year would have a gigantic Thanksgiving feast, where all would come with their friends or partners and eat ourselves silly. In Santa Cruz, vegetarianism had just taken off, but it was still a new idea, and man of us did not quite understand the nuances of it yet.

There was one year that one of the house mates brought a friend who was a vegetarian. When time came to sit and eat, she refused to partake of any of the food offered, stating loudly that SHE was a vegetarian, and did not eat anything with animal products. Mashed potatoes? No, they had milk and butter. Beans or any of the other veggie dishes? No, for whatever reason. My sister offered the up the final straw...jello salad. The girl stood up, and in a loud obnoxious voice, stated that jello was made from horses and cows, and went into a tirade about how stupid we all were not to know that, and how we should be more considerate of her because she was a vegetarian and had special needs.

To that, the room fell silent (all glaring at the person who had invited this woman)and my sister said "well, then why don't you just have another bottle of wine and go outside and smoke yourself silly while we finish eating?" She did.

I tried to be a vegetarian, which lasted for about a week. I now eat about 80% vegetable and 20% fish or chicken or turkey. Beef is out, since my husband can't digest it, so I stopped buying it. After a while, I was unable to digest it as well!

I think a vegetarian diet can be OK for some, if done wisely with proper nutrition in mind. But, if you are a vegetarian, for God's sake, do NOT make your pets be vegetarian too! That is going way too far, and as a vet tech, I have seen many many under- and mal-nourished animals suffer because their owners were certain they should be vegetarian too.

And don't be a jerk about it, OK? I understand you want to eat a vegetable-based diet, for whatever reason. Thats just great! However, I do NOT need to be lectured on how horrible it is to eat what I choose to eat, and really don't need to hear how animals are treated, or what they do to chickens, or whatever. I am not a supporter of PETA, and wear leather proudly. SO, do what you do, and I'll do what I do, and we can live in peace and love and harmony. But start lecturing me, and it's on, beeyatch!

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05/06/2010 10:43 AM

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals.

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05/06/2010 10:58 AM

That girl was just crazy and mean. People who think that they are better then others because they don't eat meat is really a problem with them and not all vegetarians.

To support the idea that not all vegetarians are like that, I will provide a countering example. My boyfriend has told me several times that if he was not living with a bunch of other guys (college apartment), that he would be vegetarian. He does not look down upon his friends because sometimes they prepare meaty dinners, nor does he complain. Instead, he introduces his friends to vegetarian recipes from books like the Veganomicon and a cookbook from Moosewood Restaurants (can't remember the title off the top of my head).

Of course he has more of a "vegetarianism is better for the environment" stance than a don't eat the pretty animals stance (or PETA stance, for that matter). I remember my mother always gets fussy when he comes over for dinner (saying "Can he have this, or that??") and I always tell her that he will eat anything you put on his plate (as long as it is food). I have been eating mostly vegetarian (I am thinking of switching fully, but the timing is not ideal) for months now. Although I personally believe that vegetarianism is better for your body and the environment, I would not turn down a turkey dinner, just saying.

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05/06/2010 11:03 AM

I love that cookbook! New Recipes from Moosewood Restaurant

I highly recommend the West African Groundnut Stew (p.122), a high protein dish I've been making for years. And no one's gotten hurt yet.

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05/06/2010 11:08 AM

I will definitely check it out. By the way, they also have an index of some recipes on their site, and the West African Groundnut Stew is one of them!

I have never had okra before, although I have seen it in produce sections. What does it taste like?

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05/06/2010 11:14 AM

Like sucking a green snail.... Tho I'm certain there are some cajuns and Texans who would disagree!

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05/06/2010 11:16 AM

Mmmmm, snails. These blogs always make me hungry.

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05/06/2010 11:15 AM

How cool is that! Interesting, it's a little different than my 1987 version, which has eggplant but no cabbage or okra. Well, I can just add those ingredients, too, the more the merrier! Okra would make it more authentic, since it's originally African.

Okra is one of those more-of-a-texture-than-taste things. It can be a bit slimy but most gumbo lovers (and ya can't make a gumbo without it) don't mind. It also serves as a thickener for stews and soups.

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05/06/2010 4:51 PM

Protozoos (from the animal kingdom) get killed when you dig.

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05/06/2010 11:06 AM

Crazy, oh yes. Mean? Maybe. Drunk? As a skunk.

I love the juxtaposition of this girl stating (in a holier than thou way) how her diet makes her a better person, and much healthier, etc etc etc, as she's swilling cheap box wine and smoking ciggies one after another.

As I said, it was at the start of the veggie revolution, it was just being brought out in the open. I guess there were small pockets of veggie people in the closets around the planet for a long while before this, but you were just now hearing about it being more widespread...

And, well, it WAS Santa Cruz, man! The serial killer capital of the world!

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05/06/2010 11:29 AM

Haha. She is quite the hypocrite. There are a lot of people who go out of their way to be "healthier", like diet and exercise and then keep their smoking habits or excessive sweets habit.

I think that even though it was a while ago that vegetarianism started, I think there are quite a few other people that think that vegetarians are still snobby (drunk or not).

I have also noticed that it seems vegetarianism and yoga come hand-in-hand, although I suppose it is because both are for better bodies.

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05/06/2010 5:27 PM

Hi Jaxy, well many people thinks that healthier is not necessarily to be slim or loose weight.

About bad habits, I can say that from two guys who smoke, the one that works out is healthier.

Also is a fact that quite a few vegetarians are still snobby (drunk or not).

About yoga, I can't give my opinion cus I don't understand how, staying static as rock and making the face of a seear of visions would make your body any better.

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05/06/2010 5:56 PM

No one defined healthy as being slim nor stated that in order to be healthier you have to lose weight.

You have no proof as to how vegetarians are. Judging someone's character or personality based on their diet is wrong.

Until you practice yoga, you will never truly know the benefits of yoga. There are a lot of things that you need to try first before you can make a true evaluation of and activity [or product].

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I read the first chapters of an old yoga book, praticed the Lotus, and I'm passing you the doctor's bill after he checks my crushed ankles .

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05/07/2010 11:13 AM

Eating healthy IS ESSENTIAL to losing weight and being healthy.

You can be healthier by exercising, but either way, smoking is evil. You can't ruly be healthy, all systems go, all pistons running if you smoke (I usd to smoke, and know the before and after feelings firsthand). Smokers can argue this til they are blue in the face, but smoking is killing you.

Not all vegetarians, or even many, are snobs. Personally, the vegan contingency, the PETA followers, are the worst, IMO.

Yoga is about stretching the muscles, and getting in sync with your body. I have been trying to do basic exercises, and it does help me. Has nothing to do with making faces, or mystical powers. Now you are just showing your ignorance.

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05/06/2010 12:24 PM

You can relax on the "better for the environment " guilt. If you take the full system vegetarian, there is no difference, or won't be if the organic waste/land fill is solved properly. But that's all on another thread.

You may be interested in this link as to the 'recentness' of vegetarianism and relationship to Yoga

(I have tried to avoid breaking the CR4 rules by using a sub topic and off topic)

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05/06/2010 12:45 PM

Of course if you don't landfill, and compost, then you are doing more harm to the atmosphere by adding the carbon load from the decaying organic matter, which the rate of decay is substantially increased beyond natural rates. Organic decay (composting) = carbon dioxide (an end product). Probably much better to landfill in very deep mine shafts (possibly as a volume replacement for previously removed coal) all the organic matter as a carbon sequestration.

I wonder if anyone has calculated the impact of converting the entire earth to growing vegetables, how much land is required to survive on a vegetarian only diet. Bear in mind while native species can survive on a ranch operation, very well, they must be removed from farming operations (farming has a much greater impact on native species then ranching typically does). Plus what happens to all the species that have evolved and prospered because of our agrarian food production processes, you know cattle, pigs, rabbits, chickens, turkeys, ducks, horses (in france at least), goats, sheep, salmon, trout, catfish, etc.. Consider, pigs proliferate because we like to eat them, but they are horrible pests for farmers tearing up the crops and fields. thus farming operations typically have exemptions in State laws for take of such nuissance animals. A large portion of the public sector devoted to protecting these wild or feral species is from the hunting organizations who want to maintain habitats and conditions for hunting such species, e.g. Ducks Unlimited. Without these sectors of support, obviously PETA alienates more people than they gain in support, and with the competition for food, would these current meat animals be eradicated?

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05/06/2010 12:54 PM

I wonder if anyone has calculated the impact of converting the entire earth to growing vegetables, how much land is required to survive on a vegetarian only diet.

Don't know, but they say it takes about 3 1/2 acres to support a milk cow, but do not go into about its replacements. But the savings in water usage would be there.

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Yeah Dairy operations are different then ranching. That is an intensive farming operation almost like ahuman food production operation. Far more land is devoted to farming to feed the cattle and dispose of wastewaters (actually wastewater requires more land than feed for the cattle on large operations) on a Dairy than is devoted to the cattle themselves. Farming really transforms the land, and animals and other plant species are a nuissance to farming operations (as well as a potential hazard for the operators and the users of products). though on the plus side, while herbivores and omnivores are a severe issue for farming, the carnivores are not so much, so takes on things like coyotes, wolves, and mountain lions would not be as likely, except in the case of suburban housewives fears of dangerous animals eating them while they jog.

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05/06/2010 11:34 PM

It takes something like 10 lbs of grain to produce one pound of beef.

I was a veg for many years do to being a poor college student and only being able to afford beans and rice. It was never a philosophical choice. This lasted for many years after college. It ended when my wife (a life-long veg) had cravings for meat when she was pregnant with our first child. We are smart enough to listen to the body. Now our diet is 99% non-meat based. We eat cheese, milk, and eggs (from our chickens). We eat salmon and steelhead I catch and we raise a few turkeys every year. We have a cow for our milk and we will slaughter some goats when we have some freezer space.

I think being conscious about your food is the most important... avoiding the instant gratification/ pretty packaging marketing that impels our consumption in today's society.

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05/06/2010 12:46 PM

I would say that the difference in impact to the environment between eating meat and not eating meat is substantial. Between the methane gas the cows create, the resources (land, water, food, etc.) they consume, and the way animals are treated, they are having a bad impact on the environment (mostly due to the way they are fed, etc.).

Lately, I have been purchasing everything I eat at the Farmer's Market. I have a budget of $20 a week for food and I have been doing really well, so far. Some may think it incredibly difficult to sustain oneself on $20 per person and do it at the farmer's market (the cost of food there is higher). Staples that I usually buy daily are .25lb spinach ($3), couple (3-5) shallots ($1), and apples ($.99/lb). The only thing I can't afford to buy at the farmers market is milk.

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05/06/2010 12:50 PM

soy milk or moo milk? (sorry)

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05/06/2010 1:02 PM

Moooooooo!

I love my cow milk. I am on my way to trying to make almond milk though. I prefer drinking cow milk straight up instead of alternatives, but I find that I can use any kind of milk in cooking... usually.

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05/06/2010 12:56 PM

I do not believe farmers can sell unpasteurized milk off the farm premises. The can on the farm I believe......those laws/rules have been changing

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05/06/2010 1:01 PM

Where there's a will there's a whey no don't start that again......

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05/06/2010 1:28 PM

i'm rubber and your glue............

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05/06/2010 2:34 PM

As said it's been done on full picture, but here are just a couple of things for you to observe and ponder.

Protein is more efficient to transport in animal than vegetable form. In fuel and every other CO2 emission cost. Think %/kg of meat vs veg.

Fuel (and water) inputs are far higher in cropping than grazing.

Look at the waste at the end of the day at the markets. All of it, including packaging, has been processed, transported then dumped.

Add the waste you discard in preparation and you have the % 'food' to 'waste'.

A vegetarian processes a higher volume of food than an omnivore, (all above increases) meaning also more human waste to deal with (including more human farts).

These are the "obvious" ones not in the "cow fart" reduction consequences.

Treatment is an issue - especially grain feed lots. These are also an energy unsustainable practice.

But "on topic" is the fat marbled product is decidedly unhealthy and the fat itself a wonderful media for the concentration of the range of chemicals used in both grazing and crop production.

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05/06/2010 2:55 PM

No matter your food habits, there is always going to be waste (unless you are a scavenger). That being said, everyone following one food choice would not be ideal either (if all of the sudden everyone only ate vegetarian, there would be problems - the supply would not meet the demand). I personally believe that eating the way I do has less of an impact on the environment than other diets.

Livestock contributes to soil damage, water pollution, deforestation, greenhouse gas emissions, etc. Of course protein is more efficient to transport via animal versus vegetables, vegetables aren't a good source of protein, so you have to transport a heck of a lot more vegetables to get the same amount of protein in a slab of steak. That is why you get protein from sources other than vegetables.

I am just so fed up with meat having problems with hormones and contamination, not to mention the marketing ploys to add weight to meat by injecting water. At least no one has come onto this blog screaming "prepackaged foods ftw!" (ftw = for the win)...

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05/06/2010 3:29 PM

Livestock contributes to soil damage, water pollution, deforestation, greenhouse gas emissions, etc.

So did a herd of American Bison

I am just so fed up with meat having problems with hormones and contamination, not to mention the marketing ploys to add weight to meat by injecting water.

So what is this crap about Angus Beef as to compared to others.

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05/06/2010 4:27 PM

Yeah, but bison moved around and gave the ground time to regrow. Farm land for cows and other livestock stays as land for farmland and the land near to the barns become all muddy (and poopy) after all the years of cows going in and out of the barn. This is much different than free roam bison. Farms constantly wear and tear the same soil for years.

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05/06/2010 4:45 PM

yes those feed lots are intensive.

Farms constantly wear and tear the same soil for years.

Actual longer than that, its up to the farmer to be a good steward to reduce environmental impact, which will never be 0,

As far as movement of the cattle, that is held to a minimum on a feed lot. As far as farms wear and tear. crop farming is the same. And to reduce the impact of this, one has to revert back to an nomad existence as a hunter/gather, which is out of the question.

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05/06/2010 4:48 PM

Actually, range cattle from large operations almost never have a Barn, it would not be a cost effective structure. There are temporary structures such as corrals set up for bringing in the herd. These, however, are not for the cattles environment, but rather for health maintenance and management of the cattle.

It is the small localized "free-range" home grown operations that treat cattle with such amenities as barns, or the highly controlled/managed operations like dairy where the overhead is worth the investment. Bison and cattle have the same effect on the soil, and when Bison herds were huge they developed compacted soils strips, we would call trails. The problem with densification only occurs when you place to high a density of cattle on a unsustainable operations where they have to be augmented substantially with imported food sources. Desification around watering holes occurs in nature just like it does on cattle operations, much of africa can show great examples of this occurring (or other locations where animals gather frequently). Even small animals like Deer leave densified trails in the soil.

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05/06/2010 4:53 PM

Range cattle is different from feedlot raised. meat is leaner

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05/06/2010 3:55 PM

Gee Thanks Jaxy - a picture of a feed lot!

My food habits seem similar to Sues by the sound of it. I think the problem in all these "miracle cures", or anything really, that hard-lines one pole or the other, is someone has left out half the bits.

Mind you, if what is becoming the average westerner ate half, it would solve over half the problems.

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You don't need to be sarcastic about the link I provided to site where I got the information.

Who mentioned "miracle cures"?

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05/06/2010 11:15 PM

It was not sarcasm about the link. It was humor at you linking immediately to a feed lot in response to "These are also an energy unsustainable practice.". I.e. I don't like/approve of the energy equation (nor anything else about the practice). The only bigger "red rag" you could wave at me is a brown coal water media power station.

"miracle cures" I did. It refers to all 'snake oil', be it technical, environmental, (or even medicinal), where the outcomes are void and/or the consequences are more damaging than the "problem". The PETA Utopia falls into this, along with an invented 14% climate impact of "beef" - which is illustrated as 120 degrees of arc = 33.3%.

Consider this alternate approach;

Back in the 1950s rabbit meat was as common for dinner as chicken is today. It is the meat they got many people and their children through the lean times of the Depression. They lost their popularity after Big AGRA, who wanted to get maximum profits with the cheapest bottom line using the government endorse chemicals and handouts. Because of this rabbits didn't make sense. So why even rabbit meat now? Below you will find a few reasons why you should consider adding rabbit meat to your diet.

1. It is one of the best white meats available on the market today.

2. The meat has a high percentage of easily digestible protein.

3. It contains the least amount of fat among all the other available meets.

4. Rabbit meat contains less calorie value than other meats.

5. Rabbit meat is almost cholesterol free and therefore heart patient friendly.

6. The sodium content of rabbit meat is comparatively less than other meats.

7. The calcium and phosphorus contents of this meat or more than any other meats.

8. The ratio of me to bone is high meaning there is more edible meat on the carcass than even a chicken.

9. Rabbit meat with the many health benefits does not have a strong flavor and is comparable to chicken but not identical.

10. Rabbits are one of the most productive domestic livestock animal there is. Rabbits can produce 6 pounds of meat on the same feed and water as the cow will produce 1 pound of meat on the same feed and water.

So as you can see there are many health benefits to eating rabbit meat. It is healthy for you and cheap to produce. Why not try to incorporate some rabbit meat into your diet today.

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Note; "Rabbits can produce 6 pounds of meat on the same feed and water as the cow will produce 1 pound of meat on the same feed and water."

This, by the way is in feed lot conditions, and over PETA's dead body, and bring the same concentration of chemicals to the product. But in a 'free range' version it would be around 4:1 or cut the fart problem by a quarter (if rabbits farted pro-rata with ruminants)

I.e. It's not about "meat", it's about the sucky energy efficiency choices.

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05/06/2010 11:25 PM

Mmmmmm...saddle of rabbit with green peppercorn sauce. Sorry, Mrs R!

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I'd tell you how I like to eat Rabbit

but there may be some 10 year olds present

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Sushi?

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You rang? Oh....never mind....

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Good shiney snatch!

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With little pink bunny toes around his ears!

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All I was doing was provided a link to show where I got the information as to why livestock is bad for the environment. I was merely citing my sources.

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I appreciate that Jaxy. All I was doing was recommending an environmental overview. No slight or "personalizing" intended.

But hey; now everyone knows about rabbit meat not fitting "the tunnel dogma", you can all choose rabbit and put cattle grain lots out of business!

What you might need is preemptive legislation on the inevitable race for the giant fatty rabbit, at market weight in half normal time, fed on a cocktail of hormones, vitamins and antibiotics, as in what these days passes for chicken, or the whole thing just becomes the next assault on the environment.

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I've seen this before, be afraid, be very, very afraid

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