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Pursuing Perfection: a Fantasy?

Posted June 18, 2010 7:02 AM

The obvious question in the test industry is an age-old one: Can we build completely defect-free electronics? Can we design test strategies that will positively find every product defect? Test professionals and their managers have struggled with these questions for decades. How many failures can we permit? What are the consequences of failure? What criteria do you set? How much can you afford to spend to detect the last increment of failures? How confident are you that you have found everything? How confident are you that you've looked for everything?

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06/18/2010 7:53 AM

<...Can we build completely defect-free electronics?...>

Yes, if "we" are Japanese!

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06/18/2010 7:56 AM

I do not know what it is now (or even if it was I now question), but in my Statistics class I took in the earlier 90's, my professor said. Motorola had accomplished this, which is hard to believe when you look at trends in SPC logic?

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06/18/2010 2:06 PM

The obvious answer is: Do we really want complete perfection? Imagine what would happen if TV sets lasted forever. Nothing to improve; nothing to wear out; your're out of business.

To be perfect, there has to be 100% use of power with zero loss. Perfection has to be put in the same catagory as perpetual motion. Nothing can be 100% perfect.

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06/19/2010 2:22 AM

Will the profit pay for the lawsuits?

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06/19/2010 9:31 AM

The problem is "perfect" is such an imprecise word. One person's acceptable measurement tolerance maybe deemed "perfect" or "defect-free" for that task. While for another task cannot resolve enough information with the same system.

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06/19/2010 10:30 AM

is perfection as in perfect be acheived?

The closer one comes to perfection, the higher the costs.

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06/19/2010 7:02 PM

I would like to hope that my condoms are all completely reliable and perfect, and they say right there on the package that they are "electronically tested".

What is their criteria?

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06/19/2010 8:08 PM

You have to ask their animatronixs testers.

Robo Bob and Robo Sue

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06/20/2010 12:17 PM

"completely reliable and perfect"

Reliability has a time stamp on it while perfect is indefinite.

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06/21/2010 10:07 AM

My answer to that is a big YES! What you have in mind is very possible, if we can only stay out of this world of ours and move to a more ideal place like Disney - where we can live with all of our fantasies...

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06/21/2010 10:28 AM

Thee is a difference of Pursuing Perfection, and Generating Perfection.

You have to understand this.

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06/21/2010 1:24 PM

Definite NO.

It must be pursued with the understanding that it is unattainable in terms of practicability as well as logical argument. It must be pursued reasonably so that means and methods are continually examined for incremental improvements. Failure to pursue perfection leads to the pursuit of adequacy. Unfortunately, the postmortem at the end of each job will reveal that the job didn't collapse, so we must have provided more than adequacy. We must then reduce our standards for the next project. This is repeated and repeated until we burst an oil rig in the Gulf.

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06/21/2010 2:36 PM

A GA from me. You are correct. Perfection is unattainable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to achieve it. We should always strive to make the next one better than the last.

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06/21/2010 4:26 PM

As in mathematics, one has to set boundary conditions, otherwise it will just be another unsolvable fruit of our imagination. Although continued pursuit of perfection is encourage and will always be our ultimate goal, one should not forget the fact that we all exist in a world full of imperfections, and therefore it pays to be more realistic.

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06/21/2010 4:54 PM

Let's also not forget that eventually the uncertainty principle will come into play. More than once I've had to explain to a physicist that this principle is not just a theoretical novelty but an absolute limit to information resolution.

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06/22/2010 8:07 PM

Who sets that absolute limit?

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06/23/2010 12:05 AM

Heisenberg found it, we can get into many philosophical and religious discussions on who set it. We both know the endless disagreements that can lead to.

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Perfection is impossible!

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07/30/2010 1:58 AM

pursuing perfection is good, I can give this attitude 100%;but at any time, there is no full perfection, just as this website: http://www.atc-inst.com/ , I have to admit that it is not ferfect, but I can improve it and also need your advices! Thanks!

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