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Is Net Neutrality the Way?

Posted August 27, 2010 8:11 AM

Google has long been a proponent of 'net neutrality' — the idea that anyone can get their content to readers and viewers over the Internet. But the search giant recently announced an agreement with carrier Verizon that net neutrality should apply on the open Internet — but not for wireless broadband or 'new' Internet services. In this New York Times debate of the issue, nine commentators give their views on net neutrality. What are yours? Is it reasonable that carriers charge more for higher data rates or better quality of service (QoS)? Should they be allowed to?

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08/28/2010 1:47 AM

I have no problem with carriers offering "enhanced services" to those who are willing to pay for it. I do have problems with people cluttering up my personal service with unsolicited content, especially high-bandwidth stuff like video, which tends to slow down delivery of the content I am really interested in. I also have a problem with the concept of government interference in the process- if one reads between the lines, the current government proposals sound more like an effort to control content (i.e., censor content) than insuring I can access what I need to access...

If people need high band width services, and they are willing to pay for special access, this should help ease the load on the "public" portion of the net. It's like toll roads- if you pay a fee, you can get to your destination faster. If you use the back roads, it will take you longer, but you don't have to pay the tolls...Give me choice.

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08/28/2010 3:57 AM

Naturally, as a person with a small Internet presence, I have a strong interest in having a Net that allows me equal access to my customers, rather than one that gives, say, Amazon an advantage. The problem is that giving government control of the Net, which is what is being proposed here, will not bring about that result. All it will do is ensure that politics and ideology, rather than money, are the grounds for allowing and denying access. And frankly, I am much more scared of that than of the market.

Considering the sheer number of "small" Internet users, it is not at all certain that the Net will have a net bias toward large users in a free market, especially when you consider that those large users are only large as long as the many small users patronize them. If the Net ceases to provide access to a free and open global village, and instead becomes a shopping mall superhighway, its value to the small user will decline, and so will Internet provider revenues.

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08/30/2010 10:39 AM

The problem is that giving government control of the Net, which is what is being proposed here, will not bring about that result.

You're asserting that Net Neutrality will "give the government control of the Net," yes? Where do you get this impression? All the freedom-loving activists that I'm aware of, groups like the Electronic Freedom Foundation, which has been around a lot longer than the debate about Net Neutrality, are fully behind it.

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08/28/2010 10:57 AM

Once again the most important point it lost.

For almost all "wired Internet" connections the Internet is a "utility". People do not have choices, there is no reasonable competition and whatever company has the contract in the city has a monopoly over the service. In these cases what is being called "net neutrality" must be in place otherwise they can hold the homeowners (lets also consider them citizens with rights) hostage by only allowing Internet traffic that lines their pockets with money. People with no choices must have full rights to use the internet without the marketing goals of investors interfering. Yes, the people in the US must pay to use the Internet, but the access or bandwidth & access plans must allow content that is independent of corporate profit goals.

For the other types of services can be more of a gray zone. For RF distribution of Internet services to homes or businesses there MIGHT be competition in some service areas, but I think that most reasonable people would agree that the service really is a utility and once you pay for access you should have no interference from the corporation. They should not be able to damage your quality of service for one application in order to force you to use the applications that they choose (and profit from).

For cell phone type Internet access it becomes a bit more gray. But, cell phone companies typically lock customers into 2 year contracts with huge cancellation penalties and endless undocumented fees for all the things that other companies call "business expenses". The environment that cell phone companies operate in does not allow customers to change to another service if they become unhappy. If you are not free to change service providers then you are back at a monopoly or "public utility" and companies should not be able to sabotage the quality of service for application "A" in order to force you to buy application "B" from them.

Huge corporations want to continue to make huge profits from telephone calls and texting. Internet access of the "Net Neutrality" type is a huge threat to huge corporations. They want the ability to sabotage services at will to "help" people make the choice to use their services.

What is really going on with "Net Neutrality"? Simple, look at and think about the people who smell the money.

Any issue related to terrorism, child pornography or other illegal content is important but a totally different issue. The "Net Neutrality" issue is simple: should big corporations be able to sabotage quality of service at will in order to make bigger profits?

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08/28/2010 1:11 PM

" The "Net Neutrality" issue is simple: should big corporations be able to sabotage quality of service at will in order to make bigger profits?"

Not quite that simple, I'm afraid. Enforcing net neutrality means giving the government the power to decide who gets what privileges. So the real question is: "Should the government, which has no stake in the outcome, have the power to decide the allocation of Internet capacity?"

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08/28/2010 1:13 PM

I will admit I am a bit biased on this subject. I happen to live in a part of the world where the telecommunications industry is a real, live, free market situation, with multiple carriers to chose from, and with a variety of free wireless hot spots in various areas of the country (mostly larger communities), some of which are government-sponsored to support the educational system. The cell phone business is likewise free market- I have a variety of carriers to chose from, and a wide choice of service levels to chose (I happen to prefer a no-contract, pay as you go plan, paying for only the calls I make and no extra services). Some of the services are provided by major international carriers (Cable and Wireless, BellSouth (although I believe BellSouth has sold their interest to a Spanish firm)). Some are provided by local upstart companies.

Guess what? It works. Prices are reasonable. If I am unhappy with the quality of the service, I can change carriers. The government has a very limited role in the process (note that not long ago- 1998, I believe- the government privatized the telephone system, opening the doors to real competition, and service improved dramatically. It used to take five years to get a land line telephone installed, and cell phones were only available to the wealthy. Opening the market has made it possible for me to get a phone installed within 24 hours of ordering it, and has opened access to cell phones to everyone). We do not have net neutrality rules, nor do we need them- the market is self-policing.

Contrast this with Venezuela, where one can go to jail for posting a comment that Hugo Chavez considers insulting...Even if one posts "anonymously"...Hugo Chavez insists on net neutrality in Venezuela, as long as you agree with him.

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08/28/2010 4:13 PM

Thanks Bruce,

I couldn't have said it better

Anyone who is old enough to remember when ATT/ ITT was the only game in the free world for phone service understands what happens when a monopoly is left to their own devices...

If the providers don't step up with a plan, the government will fill the void

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08/28/2010 10:28 PM

I remember ATT/ITT. Competent, effective... but also quite expensive.

But let's be clear on this: that monopoly was created and maintained by government. The early development of the telephone industry was by many small providers; it was government that forced the consolidation of what became ATT, not the market, and as soon as that government support was removed ATT broke up. The resulting competition lowered prices and brought on a plethora of new services.

What you appear to be advocating, however, is giving government more control, not less - creating a de facto monopoly which will stifle competition and cause stagnation. It also provides an easy avenue for those in power to excommunicate anybody whose opinions they disapprove of.

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08/28/2010 11:02 PM

Revisionest history

the government had to forcibly break up ITT & they did not go quietly comcast will control the content & the delivery, if they get their way

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08/28/2010 11:22 PM

Actually, when AT&T was broken up, it was broken up into a bunch of "Baby Bells" that maintained their local monopoly on the "last mile"- the only open competition was with the long distance arena. There was a tremendous amount of battling between the new long-distance carriers and the Baby Bells over access to that last mile...

Same when the airline industry was "deregulated"- the way it was done actually decreased competition, because carriers were allowed to build their hub and spoke networks, and then gained control of all the small commuter lines that fed their hubs. Today, all major hubs are pretty much dominated by a single carrier...

This is not my idea of letting market forces work...

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08/29/2010 12:21 AM

For our new friend a link to the last round

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/13331/On-the-Fence-About-Net-Neutrality

There is already surveillance of all internet traffic...

Should the FCC be in charge of allocating the wireless bandwidth?

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08/31/2010 3:23 PM

How does one determine "Net Neutrality"? Is there a way to measure it? And how do we know the "Net" has ever been "neutral"?

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