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CR4: Valuable Resource or Negative Space?

Posted June 19, 2012 11:55 AM by SavvyExacta

When you think of CR4, what do you think of? I perceive it as a place for engineers, scientists, and technically-minded people to connect. It's a place where you can discuss topics you enjoy with people who think like you do.

Sounds pretty good in theory, right? The Admin team has been receiving a lot of complaints about some of the attitudes of CR4 members. Some are about spam (we know there is a problem and we're working on that). Others, more frequently, object to the number of replies that are negative, sarcastic, and not helpful.

If you went into a bar (no, this blog entry is not one of those jokes) and people starting yelling across the room asking why are you there, you don't look capable of drinking a beer, you don't speak perfect Spanish, you're just a nerdy engineer - would you stay? Some might. But others, who had gone into that building to have a good time and talk with people who might become friends, would just leave and go somewhere else. That's fine if the group wants to be closed and discriminate against people it doesn't want to be members. But that place is not CR4. CR4 is open to anyone who wants to discuss relevant topics and abide by the site policies. It's a place where anyone can come for help or just to talk.

The site rules, which were last updated in March 2010, clearly show what is allowed and what is not tolerated on CR4:

CR4 is an English-speaking community. As such, all content must be posted in the English language so that it is accessible to this audience and can be reviewed properly. At the same time, it is important to note that for many users of this site, English is a second language. Therefore, there is no reason to report, highlight, or denigrate grammatical errors, typos, etc. It is also against this site's policy to denigrate a user because of his or her location, race, gender, or creed.

  • Sometimes a poster is a non-native English speaker. This can cause not only language barriers but also cultural confusion. The part of the rule that appears in bold, above, clearly explains how to handle these situations. There's no reason to belittle someone because the English isn't perfect.

Please stay on topic. Posts and comments should be of a technical nature and involve some aspect of engineering, science or technology. If you delve into other topical areas (business, entertainment, sports, etc.), please do your best to tie them back to one of CR4's main focal points. Posts focusing on politics or religion will probably be removed. There are plenty of places on the Web to talk about politics or religion. CR4 isn't one of them. Likewise, strong political and religious sentiments should be kept out of profiles, signatures and other content.

  • If the question is about wiring, the first response should not tell the inquirer to search on Google or get a degree. If that's all you can add, why bother posting? It's a waste of everyone's time. (It's understandable that in some situations, there are safety concerns, and those can be brought up in a non-accusatory way.)

  • Bad attitudes and unwillingness to help drive people away by creating a poor first impression. If you visited a new community and the first response to every post was essentially calling the poster lazy or stupid, what would you think about that place? I know I would be out of there in a heartbeat - and I wouldn't go back.

When you link to an external website, it is your responsibility to make sure that the content on the linked site is appropriate for our community and does not violate our guidelines. This includes mentioning or referencing to a website, even if you do not provide a hyperlink.

  • If you post a link make sure its content supports and contributes to the discussion. Also, don't forget to describe your link. A comment that is simply a link to a Wikipedia page or a YouTube video isn't necessarily useful on its own - people are more likely to click if they know why you think it's important.

CR4 is a professional, moderated site. If you do not feel you can abide by the rules, we invite you to visit some of the millions of other sites on the Web.

  • Nobody's forcing you to stay if you don't like our rules. Maybe if you don't agree with "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" (of course, you don't have to be nice 100% of the time, but you get the idea) you can find another site to frequent. We don't like to, but if we have to we'll limit or ban people. We can also start removing comments that sarcastically point people to Google, question intelligence, or provide a link with no explanation. It's our job to make sure that the community runs smoothly. (And even if you post anonymously, we know who you are!)

  • If something someone else has written really bothers you, you can always hit the report button. That way you are complaining to those of us working behind the scenes and we can deal with the issue if necessary. If you just comment that something is spam, we might not see that right away, and you are just adding more garbage to the pile.

The CR4 team has been working hard to increase the amount of quality content on the site. We would love to bring you more stuff, too. But the time we have to spend reminding people to be polite and follow the rules, plus following up with reported items, really eats into the time we could spend doing better things. Nobody who works on CR4 does this full time - we all have other jobs at GlobalSpec.

In closing, we ask you to think before you post. Does what you're about to say add value to the conversation? Of course, some discussions wander a bit off topic, and that's okay to a point. If the majority of what you say is negative and accusatory, maybe you should just keep reading and save your post for a thread where you can help.

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07/16/2012 12:22 PM

Any acquisition questions are to go to IHS media relations. I wasn't aware that he was on vacation - sorry about that! His contact information will probably be exception to the rule about posting it; any questions are to go through him at this time.

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07/16/2012 3:00 PM

Kris- I sent a message as well- if you want to read what I wrote, PM me.

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07/16/2012 2:59 PM

Thanks, SavvyExacta- I have sent a personal plea to Mr. Pendery regarding saving CR4. If you would like a copy of my message, send me a PM...

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07/16/2012 3:15 PM

I'm confused about why people think CR4 needs "saving". I think the appearance of a new logo on our site has caused people to jump to conclusions.

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07/16/2012 3:37 PM

No, it is the purchase of GlobalSpec by iHS which has us worried...All too often, take-overs result in house-cleaning...

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07/15/2012 1:13 PM

Sometime back when I said a wind driven car can run without an engine or battery,many laughed at me on the grounds that "drag" won't allow it. But last week I read that a wind driven car can run at around 2.8 times the speed of the wind in the direction of the wind and at 2.1 times the speed against the wind.

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07/15/2012 1:46 PM

Well meaning people also do make mistakes. None of us are perfect.

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07/15/2012 1:50 PM

Do you realize the wind driven car to which you are referring, requires significant changes (reorienting the blades is part) in order to attain those speeds for either downwind or upwind and then the other?

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You cannot simply make your downwind run and then turn straight upwind. In the downwind setup, the wheels drive the blades which act as a prop. In the upwind configuration, the blades, acting as a wind turbine, drive the wheels.

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If you try to use one of these for reliable transportation on any roads in my neck of the woods, I won't be the only one laughing when the wind change direction.

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Perhaps a different change of tack would be more helpful. Maybe instead of complaining that people are laughing at you, perhaps you could learn to share in their enjoyment, by learning to laugh at yourself.

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You might find yourself in good company.

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07/15/2012 11:27 PM

In the web site they show an airfield with the vehicle.

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07/16/2012 12:40 AM

'...In the web site they show an airfield with the vehicle....'

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Well, allow me to retort.

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Much like the fruit, milk, bowl, and spoon often pictured on the front of a cereal box, the airfield is merely a suggested use. Wide open spaces, like airfields, are not an accompaniment that might be brought along with a wind driven car.

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Moreover, even on an airstrip, the wind can change direction without your approval. And if the wind direction didn't change, you would eventually run out of airstrip if you continued going only one direction...

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07/16/2012 12:57 AM

If it was proved to be working,everybody should accept,may be a few are sceptical or poessimistic.

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07/16/2012 1:19 AM

Proof it can go downwind fast than the wind in one configuration, followed a month or so later by proof it can go upwind in a different configuration is not being disputed.

What is being disputed is that any of that supports the idea that such a car could provide viable personal transportation on today's infrastructure.

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A strictly (or likely even significantly) wind driven vehicle is not a viable concept for reliable regular personal transportation for almost anyone.

Also being disputed is that the vehicle being pictured on an airstrip adds anything at all to the discussion.

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07/16/2012 4:29 AM

It is only the beginning later on modifications can make it more useful like a hybrid with solar panel and windmill. Many people or events had humble beginnings but subsequently became famous. We should not be pessimistic.

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07/16/2012 7:05 AM

You seem to be trying to use

the idea that '... modifications can make it more useful like a hybrid with solar panel and windmill...',

as something that validates your original claim that an automobile could be powered by wind alone without engine/motor or batteries.

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Regardless of how humble you claim the beginnings to be and regardless of how pessimistic you suggest I might be, there is a fundamental problem in your argument.

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How will a solar panel contribute to powering the hybrid solar wind automobile? Right lets call it a motor.

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Which leaves us with the simplified argument: 1. The idea that a wind turbine could reasonably be used to drive an automobile without assistance of a motor or batteries 2. Is supported by the possibility that wind turbine with the assistance of solar power and a motor might reasonably be used to drive an automobile.

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While I remain unconvinced of #2, even if I were convinced, it does nothing to support #1.

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Of course, the website did have a picture of it on an airstrip, so maybe I am mistaken.

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07/16/2012 7:06 AM

Perhaps you could continue the car discussion on the original or a new thread.

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07/16/2012 7:23 AM

...or at least not continue it here.

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Point taken.

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I don't think headway was being made anyway and the subject matter certainly doesn't pertain well to this post.

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07/16/2012 2:44 AM

Minor point, but why the link to somebdody's photostream (which is locked, so no more can be seen)? Wouldn't it be better to give a link to the original source, or at least nod in it's direction ? Farcus - by David Waislass and Gordon Goulthart. I'd never fail to provide full credits .

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07/23/2012 3:29 PM

I may be one of the least knowledgeable on this forum. I use it for everything that involves an educated decision that I am NOT at least 75% sure of....that means a lot of questions.

It is more of a repository of knowledge than any library as most who reposnd to questions have actually walked the walk and talked the talk.

It is seldom I can ADD anything. In the great Sea-R-Fore of intelligence, I am a Remora fish. I follow the big sharks around and pick off their intelligent tid bits!

I just wish somebody in the It department could help me get back to posting DWG and editing like I used to do with the older version of WINDOWS and IE. Not so much fun NOT being able to post the drawings I need to sometimes. WINDOWS 7 and Office 2010 seem to cause me some conflict.

Otherwise, I have learnt more here than I ever did in skool.

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