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Voodoo People: Hire, Jail or Forgive Young Hackers? (Part 2 - Final)

Posted January 28, 2009 3:32 PM by april05

Part one of this blog piece asked if hackers have been rewarded for their "dark-side" behavior - and the answer from the CR4 community was "yes", in some cases. Inspired by those earlier comments, part two looks at public and private solutions to policing the worst hacking offenders: Interpol and NBC's Chris Hansen.

INTERPOL

The International Criminal Police Organization (ICPO) was founded 1923, in Austria, and is headquartered in Lyon, France.

<-- Logo of the International Criminal Police Organization, more commonly known as "Interpol". Photos courtesy Wikipedia.

To ensure neutrality, Interpol's founding document forbids involvement in crimes that do not span several member countries. Along with other mandates, one of Interpol's missions is to prosecute computer crime, hacking included. Among the many member countries is the United States, and the current Secretary General leading Interpol is an American, Ronald Noble.

FUNDING IMPEDING COMPUTER CRIME PROSECUTIONS?

According to CNET, Interpol's funding level of $90 million was set with traditional missions in mind - drug and human trafficking - and does not take into account resources required to tackle its newer computer crimes responsibility. A security analyst interviewed by CNET suggests that additional funding from the U.S., European Union, and other G-8 countries may be required, to go after hackers similar to "Chao" - an alleged Turkish automated teller machine (ATM) skimmer. What may be preventing governments from being more supportive is underreporting of computer crimes from banks - often embarrassed after becoming victims of phishing attacks.

PRIVATE SECTOR FILLS THE VACUUM: DATELINE'S CHRIS HANSEN

After many years of cleaning up and protecting against the dark-side hackers of the world - both for myself and for people at work - it was a breath of fresh air to finally see someone take action at a national level, with the action coming from an unexpected place.

The sheriff of the Internet wasn't an Attorney General of New York State, but instead a television personality without a fear of travelling to the remotest corners of the world to chase after the cyber bad guys.

TV journalist Chris Hansen from NBC Television's "Dateline" program was the new sheriff policing the wild-west bandits of the Internet.

Chris first became noteworthy for his quality coverage of Columbine, Oklahoma City, Una-bomber and TWA Flight 800 tragedies. After those successes, he shifted his journalistic lens to the Internet with his "To Catch a Predator" child predator series.

This series was so extremely popular that it spawned a spin-off. Sticking with the theme of Internet crime, Chris went on to investigate Internet credit card theft.

With undercover camera in tow, and without fear, Chris traced fraud from its source - the on-line trading of credit card numbers in underground hacker chat rooms - and followed the crime from "small-fry" American partner households to the fraud scheme originators in far-flung locations in Europe and Africa.

By exposing overseas fraudsters and their hapless U.S. collaborators to the world's camera lens, Chris made all of us who shop on-line a little more secure.

- Larry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hansen

http://news.cnet.com/8301-12640_3-10074525-91.html

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/turkish-police.html

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01/28/2009 7:47 PM

Tough call what to do as in my mind "intent" matters.

"Catch Me if you Can" cites the case of one of the most prolific "paper hangars" bad check writer; finally caught and put in jail, then pulled out to work for the FBI.

I'd like to take the curious and give them training and tools and SUPERVISION.

Thieves need jail.

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01/29/2009 10:09 AM

Thieves need jail.

Absolulutly,

And they come in all colors. Some thieves can steal just by picking up thier paychecks and bonuses. By that I mean the Corporate CEO's.

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01/29/2009 4:16 PM

Catch Me if you Can, is a fine movie. I actually cried while watching it. In that particular case the Leonardo Di Caprio character got caught because he was lonely. Essentially his best friend was his pursuer. In the early days of the US pirates were hired. Give a Mercenary a better deal, and they may become loyal. A leader and a cop and a judge and the guy in the box, will work together if the wealth is shared and respect goes round. Common law and history are recommended, and civilization is always at stake.

P.S. Anarchist and Pragmatism drive this note philosophically, along with empathy for the desperate.

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01/29/2009 4:51 AM

Yeah right...let's get all upset about a few hackers, when the whole world economy has just been screwed by the 'legal' official financial experts/traders/advisors or whatever title you want to give these greedy self serving gits who screwed us all and are still somehow getting bailed out to repeat their offences and who have all profited handsomely from thier activity.
Hard to really tell who are the criminals.
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01/29/2009 12:07 PM

Once upon a time

There was a man who took direct action against exploitative traders operating in a place of worship. The religious authorities were apparently taking a cut, because they eventually had him executed.

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Karl Marx wrote in Das Kapital that banks would eventually persuade people to borrow vastly more than they could afford to repay, so the banks would subsequently (and consequently) make such huge losses that they would have to be nationalised. He saw this as the first step on the route to a communist utopia.

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01/29/2009 1:29 PM

There was a man who took direct action against exploitative traders operating in a place of worship. The religious authorities were apparently taking a cut, because they eventually had him executed.

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01/29/2009 3:22 PM

Shouldn't that read as follows?

There was a man who took direct action against exploitative traders operating in a place of worship. The religious authorities were apparently taking a cut, because they eventually had him executed.

Jesus!

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01/31/2009 8:23 AM

They are the guys in the suits.

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01/31/2009 12:44 PM

If you wish to use this stereotype, don't forget the homburgs and the violin cases.
(Most merchant bankers of my acquaintance rarely wear suits - though quite a few of the salesmen do)

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02/03/2009 1:52 AM

Since Hacker is being used for Cracker I vote for Banker being used for thief. What is worse I think the thieves are using the 2 trillion borrowed from the federal reserve by the federal reserve board members to buy up company stocks around the world multiplying their gain on their fraud. When it is said and done hidden trusts and shell corporations will front these thieves ownership of companies they kept afloat through this mess. Just hope it doesn't turn to a French style revolution on a world scale.

The criminals are at the heads of the thieves and their minions are in our capitals.

The fox didn't just steal the goose that lays the golden eggs but the eggs and holds the mortgage on the hen house, Bundled it into a security sold it on the stock market and still wants paid for it again, and used his government payoff to buy majority stocks in the farmers farm.

I smell fishy Tulips

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02/04/2009 10:16 AM

Used to be the mob ran thier illegal operations as a well run business. And now you have businesses running the operations like the mob? . . . ..

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02/05/2009 10:08 PM

The use of hacker as a malicious criminals is the same as saying a trespasser is a terrorist.

A trespasser is a trespasser and a terrorist is a terrorist.

What caused this lie is the governments don't want the public to know what they are doing. Call it security if you like, but only the corrupt need fear their actions being known.

The easiest way to spot Machiavellian tactics is judge justifications by the way they accumulate power.

A hacker is a nosey trespasser and the rest are thieves, vandals and terrorist. Now which of the last three is our governments since they use hacker for the terrorist yet they hack our computers as a matter of National insecurity.

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