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Lawn Darts and Arrow Throwing

04/01/2009 3:52 AM

The little known sport of Arrow Throwing was popular in the West Riding of Yorkshire way back in the late 19th/early 20th century.
Big money changed hands as betting was rife and the special hand made arrows were highly prized.
They were propelled with the aid of a piece of string twisted around the index finger and looped around the shaft, and could be thrown huge distances...well over 300yards (372 yards has been recorded)
Arrows were carefully made of Hazel wands, carefully pared down untill little but the pith remained covered by a very thin layer of wood (hence the expression 'taking the pith' later corrupted to taking the piss)
The arrows were balanced by pushing pins into the pith at the head or tail end.

Lawn Darts just doesn't give you the same range! Although Darts and lawn darts probably evolved from games played by the medieval archers of merrie England.
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04/01/2009 4:31 AM

After the roman senate cut the romans military budget in 500 ad. a question arose...............What are we going to do with all these surplus ballista's? Lets bring accounting in on this, I hear their pretty sharp people.

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04/01/2009 5:51 AM

So this was a big sport? Maybe we have it in your olypics 2012

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04/01/2009 7:49 AM

Yes. It's called the "javelin".

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04/01/2009 6:13 AM

"in 1530 Anne Boleyn presented Henry VIII with a set of ornamented darts"

In 1536, Henry presented everyone with her head.

According to QI, he lost at a game of '101' at the time, and this is the reason bad things have been associated with 101. Being a Northerner, Orwell would have been well acquainted with this fact. Wiki is not always reliable.

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04/01/2009 6:27 AM

I'm not a great darts fan, but I've played throwing a BIG HEAVY crossbow bolt back and forth with a mate of mine...it certainly concentrates the mind.
I've even stood down range while he shot it into a wooden panel from a 275lb crossbow of mine....
It sounded like an aproaching steam train.

Could george throw an arrow over the river I wonder?
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04/01/2009 10:08 AM

did both of you do this while having an apple on you head..

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04/01/2009 9:05 AM

I am ever in awe of the things members know....

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04/15/2009 5:41 PM

because of google I know???

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04/01/2009 9:52 AM

Lawn darts were not allowed at our house after my wife, son and daughter returned from a trip to visit relatives. Turns out that a couple of hours prior to their return flight, they were playing "Jarts" with my wife's cousin, when my son "caught" one with the side of his heel!

I'm a little curious about the distances obtained -- did the arrows have extra fletching to keep them airborne for a long time?

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04/01/2009 9:59 AM

No, they had no flight at all!
They were long and tapered, the string has a little knot at the end, the string is wrapped around the shaft about 2/3 of the way back and pulled tight against its own knot, the tension is maintained as it is launched, once the arrow is ahead of the launcher the tension goes and the string falls off.
The string used to launch them acts a bit like an Aborigine throwing stick.
I've not tried it myself but I recall as a kid seeing lads throwing arrows using a string to launch them.
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04/01/2009 10:02 AM

So will a modern version be in the 2010 KrisDelTM catalogue, then?

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04/01/2009 10:10 AM

Indeed! Special kevlar sting has been sourced.
Each length of string comes fitted with two ends...yes count them TWO, one end even has a carefully engineered knot secured...errr...by a knot.
We have a new employee, Ms Hazel Coppice who has a supply of suitable wood for the arrows. The arrows are usually a handmade item by the participant in the sport, however we are considering making a small number for selected gullible victims customers.

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04/01/2009 10:12 AM

And what pray thee, are these tipped with?

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04/01/2009 10:23 AM

Depleted Uranium.

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04/01/2009 10:41 AM

I think the wooden tips were just hardened in a fire.
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04/01/2009 12:18 PM

I'm so glad you clarified that bit. I'd never have been able to explain how to get really hard wood.

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04/03/2009 3:50 AM

We've got Nicky's Nursery !

I'm guessing it's easier to pick up darts from people, rather than the briney. There's a sort of logic to that.

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04/01/2009 10:08 AM

Got a drawing?

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04/01/2009 10:15 AM

I do have references which you could Google...but If I give them up today...will people still think this is an April fool's post.
Bluff or not???

What do you think?

I'll let you all know tomorrow.
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04/01/2009 10:10 AM

A common scenario, I think they were pulled from the market for this reason - actually catching them with one's head.

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04/02/2009 7:12 AM

We had a set of Jarts back when I was a kid. They where great. we used them all the time. Even after one of m,y sisters friend caught one in the foot. Back then people took responsibility for their actions and there was no law suit.

Ahhhh what fun

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04/01/2009 11:01 AM

Hey Del - Thanks for taking me back to the early 1970's Upstate, NY (Latham) with your reference to Lawn Darts. :) I fondly remember sunny days at family outings where this highly dangerous game was played, and sometimes think "did that really happen?". Were they outlawed in the U.K., like they were here? And if so, do only outlaws play lawn darts in the U.K. nowadays (I can picture Ben Kingsley playing a wicked game of outlaw darts)? Please say hi! to our glorious leader for me. - Larry

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04/01/2009 12:50 PM

I was working the Sports Dept. at Caldors at the same time. 'Central' had loaded us up with these wicked looking Jarts and my immediate reaction was that someone was gonna get killed or loose an eye with these things. About a month or two later we shipped them all back. Some toddler had wandered into the playing field and gotten hit in the brain.

'Adult Supervision' is not enough to keep stupid people from doing stupid things, or manufacturing them.

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04/01/2009 1:00 PM

Whilst any kid getting hurt is terrible, I think that on that same day many more kids were hurt by guns, cars, stones, sticks, people, animals, food, water, glass etc.
I don't think the objection actually holds up to scrutiny.
Sport and 'keep fit' activities cause huge numbers of injuries.
I have spent time in a spinal injury unit and as I recall there were injuries due to Rugby Football (like American footaball), horse riding, falls & car accidents.
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04/01/2009 1:07 PM

I agree,

There is one thing I remember when I was a toddler. My Mom told me not to touch the stove, its hot I'll burn myself, well I did and I did, I still remember that.

Quite a lesson, And in adult life, I have learn your worst experience is usually your best.

And this goes no matter how old you are.

Don't take that away, otherwise your children will grow up to be accountants and attorneys. Burn

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04/03/2009 10:50 AM

To crib from a wise kid I knew when we were 14 years old ...

Experience is a teacher

But here's what makes me burn

She's always teaching me the things

I do not CARE to learn!!

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funny

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04/01/2009 2:58 PM

Del, I agree with you completely. But this was an occasion where a particular company was held responsible, and thus liable to a lawsuit. I don,t remember the outcome of the lawsuit, but I have a feeling that this is where Tort lawers first got thier nose under the tent.

Speaking of which, here in the US it is estimated that for every dollar one spends, some lawer gets a quarter. They'll be the first ones 'up against the wall'.

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04/01/2009 2:15 PM

Why not outlaw horseshoes while you're at it? They can also be deadly and I'll warrant there have been some tragic incidences with them. Who was supposed to be watching the toddler?

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04/01/2009 1:08 PM

You might remember these, april05

I don't think the ones sold in the UK had a base plate. End result was some pretty random jumping ! With Space Hoppers, and Clackers, it was like some king of Newtonian acid-trip.

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04/01/2009 1:39 PM

Oh yeah! Clackers! Nun-chucks in bright colors for children!

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I remember clackers. in another time they were called bolos or something

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04/01/2009 4:51 PM

I remember making them arrows when I was a kid! We called them 'Yorkshire Arrows' or 'Dutch Arrows' and boy did they fly! I hurled one right the way across to the island at Broadlands Lake on the Mountbatten Estate! Really dangerous but great fun!

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04/01/2009 5:47 PM

Blimey..yeah...I remember now they were called Dutch arrows when we were kids...dunno where that name comes from ...errr Holland?
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04/02/2009 7:17 AM

BTW... No-one thinks I'm bluffing or that it's and April fool joke.
You are all quite right...it's absolutely true, except for the 'taking the pith' bit.
I'm such an honest cat, it gets me into no end of trouble.

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04/02/2009 7:55 PM

However, the fad of arrow chucking became so popular that it led to a surplus of unused bows. However, to identify yourself as a "true" archer, chuckers would come to meets with the bows hanging around their necks, thus giving rise to the fashion of... Don't make me say it!!! bow ties

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It's a bit like the Boleyn family I mentioned before. One school of thought says the name originated from the Bow line of families. Another, that it is to do with Bowling. I'd add that it's all wood related, except that Bowls originated with cannon balls. Original stone balls worked well enough, but it was only the use of Iron that allowed the game to really take off in a big way. The Mall, London, was specifically constructed for this purpose, but the upper classes decided to play a croquet style game.

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04/03/2009 4:31 AM

And the groans could be heard echoing throughout the land

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......and across the seas as far away as Spain.

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04/02/2009 10:37 AM

In the USa, many things are "back to front", like the Lady who got hot coffee from MacDonalds, poured it in her own lap (while driving?) and got a big payout from MacDonalds, because they did not mark it as being hot!!!!

DDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How crazy can it get??????

...and you make the Jart company also responsible for who uses them??????

How can that happen?

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04/03/2009 10:49 AM

Same way the anti-gun ownership crowd in America wants to make the gun manufacturers responsible for the crimes committed with guns, even the ones stolen from legitimate owners, in home breakins, while the owners are away!

Stupid lawyers!! Throw 'em out.

If all the lawyers on the planet were laid end to end ...

It would probably be a good thing!!

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