Guest Appearance, Request to Moderators...

An intermediate idea would be for each guest to be assigned a serial number linked (invisibly to us, but visibly to the Admins) to the guest's IP address. This should carry over to all postings by the same guest, so that everyone else knows when they are interacting with the same person.

There are sometimes, though not especially often, decent reasons to post anonymously. In the other direction, I sometimes give my real name, not just my username.

I like both the serious aspects and the informal banter here, and would hate for the site to become dry and stuffy. I was disappointed at the closure of the "abcd" thread, and do not know what behavioral standard was allegedly breached.

I too was disappointed cause it was funny but then it is ok to do so.

but some users are misusing this facility. i just got reply from one GUEST referring young Indians as " lazy, ignorant, and think too highly of oneself " ending with thanking HINDU god.

I am HINDU INDIAN. and I felt offended by the way he /she replied. he/ she dared to do so as he/ she has facility here to be anonymous.

if somebody is irritating other users here, moderator should have authority to ban him/her from doing so. but in case of GUESTS, is it possible?

AtLeast we can identify a person and ignore him and tell others to do the same if that person is troubling us. but if he/she is appearing as a guest,we can not do anything.

people were talking about my country from all over the world but I took it as a positive criticisms. and also we INDIANS took participation.I didn't feel good when some anonymous coward person talked anything he wants against my countrymen when discussion was going very fine.

so I started this thread.

it can happen to you also.

Here are some of my thoughts on the subject... (irrelevant or rambling as they may be)

When a person is committed to truth telling, as you appear to be, there is a fine line that sometimes gets blurred, in the communication. It probably is not you blurring it, in the interpretation of the original message.

Typically, the person recieving the information does not capture the intent of what is written, and/or strongly disagrees with the message, regardless of intent.

Some messages are so strongly polarized against people or groups of people, that it is difficult for anyone to digest. (ie, your reaction as stated above re Indian)

Nobody is perfect, and human communications is are not perfect. I think that this is the purpose of the world, to show us and teach us the perfection of heaven higher levels of understanding and all communications beyond this physical world.

One does not have to be a 'guest' to be rude, but the anonymity does add some abrasive dust to the discussion, as we naturally like to have an identity to fight against in our wars disputes. As Tornado pointed out, anonymity for registered members allows one to give information or opinions that would be contrary to one's user-image or persona. (the truth doesn't correspond to a persona, and sometimes requires a different voice or method of delivery)

There are different standards for Ttruth and also for language and communication, based on the impossibility of perfection, and you see all types. There are also different levels of polarizing thoughts which, when the focus begins to be directed against people, falls into the realm of extremism.

People who are caught up in the dogma of extremism rarely are able to relate to the principles and messages of peace. (ie You are either with us or against us.) and this leads directly to the extremists having to be physically opposed. For peace-loving people, the polarization puts them into what I call the "Ghandi dilemma", where you either take up arms and defend, or you choose passive resistance, as Ghandi demonstrated.

In the sorting of ones ideas and beliefs, I think that one should always decide first, if they are willing to take up arms to defend or impose their beliefs, or not. If not, what will be their strategy, when dealing with radical polarization and agression. notions of lazy, ignorant etc are really lower level propaganda, as the accuracy individual characteristics can not ever be proven on a group basis.

It has been said, that a lie is the worst thing in the world. I submit that this is almost equal to the "ultimate nature of the world of distorted and imperfect communcations."

Is it really more digestible to have someone deceive you with lies, or to know absolutely that someone things less of you, and is actively defaming you to others (propaganda) ?

I believe that we are all the same eternal being, living different lifetimes. I am you and you are me, occupying different bodies, having different life experiences, which effectively filters our view of the world and each other. How we communicate with each other is of prime importance. I am committed to the truth, and I am willing to give up my untruths, for my own growth.

I do not expect others to agree with my philosophy, but I am happy when they do.

Chris

how about just posting the guests IP address...so if they say something offensive, we all get to spam them... hee hee hee.

Dear Sanimisra:

It is interesting; in your post #4 of the thread that you refer to, you consider the situation a problem, but in your post # 8 you justify it !

And the innocence with wich you said: "I know this will add one GA... but I could not think of any other idea..." Yeah, right !!! who the heck you think you're speaking to? many users, whether registered or not will feel insulted.

Look sani, the rules of the forum were already established, if you don't like them, then it is YOU who should go somewhere else, guests are still going to be allowed, no matter what you say or do.

If you don't like a post, it doesn't automatically make it irrelevant or entertainment stuff (the one you referred to, talked about the trends on egineering careers in India).

The administrators DO keep records of all IP addresses so they know what guest posts what; I know many of us are considered maybe not too smart, anonimous persons, but when certain guests register, they clear all doubts and become instantly well known as the dumb asses they are.

Eventhough I'm posting as a guest, I'm not breaking any rule while doing so.

Have you ever posted as a guest?

Yahlasit

well said. ga.

GA from me!

Well, as Tornado says, there are good and bad guests.

• Some just trawl CR4 without logging on (may never have registered either) and if they find that they can contribute a good answer, do so. Good. We want them.
• Some want to make fun of someone, and do so in the safety of their anonymity, without fear of any backlash. Not really bad.
• And there are the third kind, who are lacking something in life, and try futilely to make up for it by being nasty. BTW, you had 5 GAs on that abcd thread. Some of us had too. All gone...maybe CR4 admin did that, or maybe the close encounters of the third kind???

All in all a fair cross section of humanity... would you not agree ? So why worry....do your thing and be happy.

... thanks.....

I admire your cooool nature... and hence stop thinking on this topic.

I didn't want to make it a issue related to any particular nationality. but as the reason for my anger was definitely the attack on my country engineers eligibility.. thread eventually became India concern...

sorry for that..

still I feel guest should be banned.

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moderators can now close this thread. OP agrees to bear the nuisance.

i agree. i have written to CR4 on two occassions so far about some really vitriolic comments by obnoxious guests... but i guess that they have some limited scope to do so. This is a labour of love for most of them, and i am sure they have their hands full.

To track the IP address and ban that guest may not be feasible, even what Tornado suggests may take a lot of effort....

Please let me suggest to be more dispassionate. The post you cited was indeed questionable, but not as obnoxious as some others lately. I have worked with, and conversed on CR4 with, some superlative engineers from India. But there have also been a few over-unity crackpots, homework shirkers, and very naive types of questions from there. This is not unique; there are plenty of these from my country as well .

It's good you have identified what actually annoyed you.

Bottom line: an idiot can go by any title.

Banning the title won't make an ounce of difference. Except; loosing some good ones by making it too difficult, or making it just another "sign up here first, pig-in-a-poke site" - which means I never would have.

_{Then again, some may see that as a reason.}

GA., I found the interaction between engineers from other country's very benefiacial to my own growth and hope I do the same.

p911

ga.....just have to follow that....

I suppose a recycle bin can be created for nonsense questions offending members and be done with it in this part of world in India we have a proverb every Block of houses will have a dumping bin for garbage the Nonsense posting which has generated so-much of excitement/resentment is nothing but garbage i am sure every one of us has stepped on thrones or rusty nails on the road and removed the same and continued our journey i do respond as a guest number of times for many questions on this excellent fourm

crm

I came here by way of a couple links from other threads, so am "late to the party".

It is difficult to avoid being hurt by statements like the one you posted, which was written by a bigot. If it is any solace, realize that this poster (in this case a guest) is seen for what he is by many members. (However, realize that we have more than one bigot as members, and some of these members are happy to spew bigotry even without the anonymity of posting as a guest.)

What the bigot says is (as is often the case with bigotry) completely unsupportable by fact: In the US for example, Hindus are better-educated and earn more than almost any other religious segment. You can search on-line for a Time or Newsweek article from quite a while back (15 years ago, perhaps) that ranked members of various religions by education, earnings, etc. (That this article was published at the time is remarkable, because most publications like to avoid appearing to reinforce stereotypes.) In the US, Southern Baptists are at the other extreme, and the article reinforced that stereotype.

You are probably correct that bigoted statements are more likely to come from guests, but there are good questions and good comments that come from guests as well. There are many valid reasons for people not registering. Reporting posts like the one you quoted is a good means to have it removed, and simply ignoring such posts will also help to avoid their repetition, I think.

It great to have you with us.

The only difference between a registered name and "Guest" is in the spelling

your wrong guest,

as a register user, one has known personality and background. As a guest you have multiple personalities with inconsistent backgrounds.

And one has to trudge through the value of the guests posts to determine what its actual worth is..

...is it valuable or is it just a guest with an axe to grind to settle old scores.

p911

Hello phoenix:

Actually one has to trudge thru ALL posts. I don't believe that you determine the worth of a phrase depending on whom it's coming from.

That could only be comprehensible about negative connotation phrases. But even then, it is our feeling being biased by our prejudices which make us evaluate from bad to worse the very same statement.

On the contrary It happens a lot that an attack to something or someone we hate, even if it is totally unfair, it is unrationally supported by some of us. (jumping on the wagon of..).

Yahlasit

Yahlasit,

On the contrary It happens a lot that an attack to something or someone we hate, even if it is totally unfair, it is unrationally supported by some of us. (jumping on the wagon of..).

Thats true....a mob like mentality.

As far as trudging.....to refine that more, not all posts are like that and you do not usually realize it until you read the post.......even from a member who may be having a crappy day. One have to realize that some members are quite sharp, and when you realize they have a post you read it and chances are better it has valued info.....or at the least entertainment.

And yes when lumping guests together when tends to mob against them, when in fact the actually guest with issues is just a minority,... just like some of the members.

I have mentioned before on a recent post about 3-4 weeks back. when a conflict happens even from people who believe they should ignore it, are interested in it. I tend to look at Who's Online. And even from these people interest is drawn to conflict.

Good post, Yahlasit and thanks for bringing that up.

p911

Guests are part of the CR4 model. For example, the feature allows individuals to "try before you buy" (although CR4 is FREE...) and test the waters before committing to registration.

We are working on some ways to discourage long-term use of the Guest feature. Until that happens, there's not much we can do about Guest usage except monitor and remove inappropriate comments. As some users suggest it's not always possible to accurately track Guests based on IP address.

From a moderator's perspective, I don't like the feature. I think it encourages child-like behavior. Aren't we already hiding behind the Internet? I don't see a need to take it a step further on a site like this just for the sake of being negative and/or nasty.

thanks for your reply.. atleats now I know that moderators also do not like this..

I think it is presumptuous for someone who has only been involved in the forum for 1 month to suggest that they have figured out a way to change the rules to better suit their perception of how the forum should be structured and run.

I beleive that you should sit on your hands until you have gained some more experience with the forum.

If you have been personally offended, report the offense to Admin. (it is ,after all, THEIR FORUM) and let them handle it.

Please don't ask moderators to get involved. They took out the religious stuff. People like this end up eating their own lunch and typically it's the other members that will feed it to them.

I just posted to this thread. This person is way off base, we all recognize that, try not to get yourself too upset by nonsense. This guest, and his comments mean nothing here.

Nicely put. Most guests want to contribute to a thread without having to go through the (quick and easy) hassle of registering as a full member, so the option to post quickly as a Guest is really nice to have, but as a general rule of the internet, if you give someone anonymity, there will be those to abuse their power just to frustrate others.

It's best just to ignore the bad Guests and acknowledge the good ones

Well, I'll bite.

I think guests post to hide behind the confusion created if more than one posts ... i.e. anonymity gives the "gang" courage.

Even anonymous "handles" allow others to separate our commentary, one from the other. "Guests" post with intentional disregard for: (1) propriety; (2) civility; (3) ACCOUNTABILITY; not necessarily in that order.

Just in case of objection, let me advise: check the upper right corner of your CR4 red bar FIRST THING WHEN YOU GET HERE: if you don't read your normal "anonymous" name there, login and THEN contribute to your heart's content but don't bore me or others with your "forgot to..." BS. Just, out of courtesy to those of us who seek a better world even it means putting up with "homework" and "mispelling" and "poor English" (when are we Americans gonna teach those Brits to speak it, by the way - oh, the chutzpah of US?) - just, please, have the courage to identify yourself, albeit "pseudo-anonymously." Take the few seconds to create a "Mr. Hyde" identity to your "Dr. Jekyll" norm; if you're here to flame, well, whatever flicks your Bic.

Most guests who want to contribute to a thread go through the "quick and easy" hassle of registering as a full member, you and I both know that.

The option to post as a Guest is a PRIVILEDGE; to expect LESS of "Guests" is to invite polemic; to expect MORE of "Guests" is to risk losing those abused behind the mask of anonymity, only reluctantly to contribute again, because of what, laziness?

What a quandry. Hmm, I thought "quandries" were why we ventured into engineering.

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"If you do what you know how to do until you know better,
and then do better, then you are better." -- Maya Angelou

Or;

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Oscar Wilde

Or;

"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."

Oscar Wilde

Okay.

Hey look another one of the nameless bloggers

Members can also post as guests by posting anonymously.

If every post by either members or guests were to be pulled by moderation because another member or guest disagreed with it, what would we be left with?

I know one thing, it would be pretty darn boring..........

yes i agree with you i am a registered member off late i interact as a guest

cm

Hiding from your wife or girl friend? Maybe from your mother?

Why is this off-topic? Why are you defending people who create multiple profiles? Most sites ban people who abuse a site that way.

good answer.

I used to post as a Guest and then I decided to register. Since then I have:

• Received an inappropriate personal "hate" mail.
• Received warnings from Admin (some were justified to be honest, some were not).
• Been told what to think when it comes to giving GA's and Off-Topics (by Admin).
• Generally get slated for my posts, because people carry grudges forward with them and they reply to the "person" and not to what was written.

So basically it really is not worth registering, unless you are interested in the number of GA's (which quite a number of people actually are).

It is not always Guests that post inappropriately. I read one post today where the Guest (who had posted nothing wrong) was told that they had no status here on CR4 and to piss off. Then other members jumped in backing this person up - really crazy stuff.

As for revealing their identity, I really don't see this as possible. I could be your mother, your cousin or your very clever dog for all you know so where is the identity that you are talking about?

One wonders why...

And that is the difference of being a registered user and a guest. lynlynch you have relative consistencies about you that both members and guests can anticipate/expect the type of responses that can set you .......with the lack of a better word....off.

A guest, or guest-like members are inconsistent while I can understand the guest that is unregistered.......the guest-like members for the most part seems to have issues with the site and the admin.

Though there is nothing wrong with being a guest we all were one here at the beginning.

p911

AGuest keeps grinding that same ol axe, he'll post as guest & his other persona. so what?

you need to get over it,

you are what you post

anyone here is able to remake themselves [or not] however they want

Funny, this thread makes the daily digest, but the example you cite as guest in the post above doesn't?

link

CR4 is what it is. a nice little time waster, that is entertaining, educational & occasionally thought provoking.

there won't be any structural changes, there is no will to improve or in any way change CR4, by our benevolent overlords [the one's who pay the bills]

CR4 is our forum, we are the content. Moderation [the ones who work here] do feel like they should be able to dictate certain aspects of how we as content providers should use the site, but are completely powerless when it comes to the biggest Anonymous Cowards the GS bloggers, who can't even be bothered to answer for some of the drivel they post, which occasionally includes political discussions.

Actually... the moderators have no control over whether there are changes to CR4. We have proposed some improvements to the site so that moderation is more standardized and problems like the original post addressed here can be handled better. I can't say when they'll be implemented because I don't know.

Regarding the GS bloggers - there are two types of GS-created blogs. There are blogs written by GS employees, who are often also moderators, and these have user names attached. The blogs without names attached come from the GS newsletters. I'm not sure who writes these but they are not at HQ and do not attend our blogger meetings. Moderators cannot control the content of these blogs. If you don't like them, report them, and I can bring it up with the appropriate department at GS (which is not associated with the teams the bloggers or moderators work for).

Hope this clears some things up.

this would be fine if the bloggers [named or not] were held to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

You all work for GS & should have to follow the same rules as the rest of us

Garthh, what exactly is your problem with what I have posted? I am just telling what happened, sorry if it burst your little bubble about how the world of CR4 is. Unlike you, with your well recorded numerous usernames, I am not a coward and I stand behind my posts - so I guess that is what annoys you so much.

I don't have a problem, you go by a couple of user names yourself,

so what, own it or not

you in your many guises [including guest] continue to put forth the notion that you are being picked on, by both members & moderators.

no more than anyone else

you are entitled to your opinion, not your own facts.

you appear to reframe the question(s) when we don't all drop to our knees & praise what you feel is correct. you started out with this persona attacking another member & that is your legacy.....

you go by a couple of user names yourself, - Actually no. I saw how the person you think I am was treated a so I decided to act. It is about time people started to stand up and be counted, a lot of members post anonymously because they are afraid of retribution from other members - perhaps that is why you have multiple user names. Like I said before I used to post here as a Guest for quite a bit of time.

What is this retribution stuff?

Anything one has to say that they can not put their own user name on if not real name is not worth saying!

I agree.

I don't understand your defense of the member you claim not to be. You both share the fantasy of collusion between admin & "gurus", you both both require a large amount of moderation due to mindless attacks, Both are fond of the report button, the timing of your appearance is also suspect....

stand up & be counted in furtherance of what?

I agree that it does look suspect, however believe me (not that you will) when I say that you are incorrect. It would be easier for me to pretend to be that person, but that would be widely unfair to that person. What have I got to hide? Its not like I am going with the general flow, no real change in direction from the other person some might argue. I am sure that you are aware that dead fish go with the flow. You are adding 2+2 and coming up with 5.

I would like to think that some of my posts are slightly more humorous that what the other person posted, see http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/59161#comment618510 post #20 - I am sure you will think that it is funny, probably even give me two or three of GA's - one from each of your persona's . However it really does not matter what I say, so believe what you will. Have a nice day.

I see the voting is a tie....

Last I knew in base ten 2+2=4

You would have us believe otherwise...

You would have us believe, you after being a long time guest, you registered just to defend....ok I'm unclear who besides the member who you vehemently deny being, you are defending?

I further fail to see how being quite likely the most moderated member in recent [probably ever] history, defending the second most moderated member, is teaching any of us a lesson?

Assuming what you are claiming is true, you should work on your technique....

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A lie often repeated does not become the truth.

you could be someone else, but what is the point

some may think being pointless is a point in itself.

I don't understand this. How on earth would it be possible to be unfair to portugalphilip, whose last post was 8/6/10, thankfully?

your very clever dog .

I shall report this uncalled for use of the D word immediatement!
Del

In the post in question the Quest gave his opinion. Even in his writing of it he acknowledges it would not be receive well by all. But it was just that his opinion!

I believe that the format of allowing quests to post is a bonus for us all. It allows the collective wisdom of all, not just the few that would wish to be members.

In every part of our society there are those that find fault in others for what ever reason. Is this the place to voice it? No!

But Quest is not one entity it is many. Do we wish to lose the knowledge of many do to the uncontrollable urges of a few? Do we wish to become the bigot that we have found offensive in this one quest? To close the doors on quests would be to do so. You would be labeling them all the same. They are not they are many. We are better then that.

Do we wish to become the bigot that we have found offensive in this one guest?

I am sorry Ozzb, but unfortunately the forum of late has become exactly this.

Look at this post, and the posts marked GAs and the one marked OT.

I have been with CR4 now for more than 3 years now, in fact as I remember I have become a member after first or second visit itself. For last one year slowly the disillusionment on the quality has crept in and I have started not logging in- preferring the guest stature- since that would make it easier to cut the bond.

Now I feel the time has come to stop logging in even as a guest- or as the ER said unanonymous coward since it looks that the members don't like the guests to answer to other guests.

I won't say that I didn't enjoy my 3+ years or rather the three years which might have spanned over 2000 posts and may be another 1000 in the other year plus where too I had the satisfaction of solving a few problems which ever overlapped with my area of applications, the OPs (again usually guests) in a few cases did find the source like the one in the bearings in GT or scoring of shaft in Gear box. The appreciations were good enough in those than the GAs that were or not offerred.

So now I must finally say good bye to the forum. Enjoy yourself minus this guest/unanonymous coward who wasn't.

I think the administrators will be able to trace my IP address, in that case it is requested to clean the slate or make it user-deleted-15 (I think that is the number now)

It is for the forum members to introspect.

Just think over with due regards, there are people who are not students nor engineers, but want to know and are sucked in at least a bit of trade- as is apothecus and the other poster I don't remember the name - the translator in China.

Good riddance to an apparently 'puffed up' type.

Enjoy yourself minus this guest/unanonymous coward who wasn't. Not to worry - we will and I do hope you don't expect anyone to break out in tears.

Sorry 'bout that but you asked for it.

At the risk of offending many senior members of CR4, i agree with some of what you say.

i looked at the post you quoted. The OP guest is obviously clueless, an methinks he is clutching at straws to save his face/job. If "i don't know' is a good answer, i expect about 10000 members to say so...one guest has cautioned the OP about the danger, and has done it with some grace.

i am anti-guest. There are many out there who take vicarious pleasure by sniping unnecessarily. However, as i have seen and said before, a large percentage of guests HAVE contributed significantly, maybe they just did not go through the hassle of logging in. i use Mozilla which remembers, so i am automatically logged in. i am also 66, so no excuse for anyone else not knowing this nugget

Well, the young OP who must be a 24 year-old-girl (please correct me if i am wrong here sanimisra) has shown maturity by desisting from any more posts on this topic. Time the rest of us did ?

I agree with you from the op of link that was supplied. He diffenently was not qualified. Even though not enough info was supplied if it turns out he was incompetent one has to call it. And it's not being arrogant if it's the truth. I believe it was yogi beara(?) that said. "Its not bragging if it's the truth." and this saying is simular to the reponses. P911

when speaking to those who are qualified, it helps to have at least an inkling of the fundamentals :D

how about this [thread]?

or [here]

in these two threads the OP is a registered member, but still gets to eat shyt for trying to learn something.

learning something is something we all have in common. But reconizing or I should say NOT coming forward with your weaknesses for an example to a custumer is something total different and can be dangerous......or at least risky.

You may be right, but there isn't enough context to really say, which is one of the reasons guests should register. Apothicus is a good example, he asks questions that could have implications, safety, legal or otherwise... As many of us know he is a customs inspector & having that context, puts the questions in a different light.

Withholding information, because it could potentially be dangerous is presumptuous on our part, more information is better than less.

Hey we're on the interweb [& not getting paid], everyone has the responsibility to do their own due diligence.

Withholding information, because it could potentially be dangerous is presumptuous on our part

I wouldn't really say withholding information, I would say not knowing can be dangerous in its self.

When I hired my replacement as a engineering manager, one of the questions I asked him, "What is the number one priority of an engineer?"

His reply was cost, performance and the like........I mentioned to him that is all important, but as an engineer safety is #1.

That is the reason ASME came about.

Hey we're on the interweb [& not getting paid], everyone has the responsibility to do their own due diligence.

If I see someone making not so much a mistake but a better word questionable, if its a minor trip where a project can absorb it and no one would get hurt, I'll watch and basically let it happen just to see how he handles conflict. Doing this as a manager, I take the responsibility because this is where we all learn from it.

If its on a more serious side that will be more than noticeable, I'll step up my reactions that will coincide with the issue, and not just let it happen.

It's unfortunate that ones worse experience is your best. And in my worst experiences no one stepped up, some even said, they knew it was going to happen (because they knew things I was not aware of) but kept it to them selves for personal gain.

p911

Phoenix - AND EVERYBODY - ask yourself honestly "what would be the typical response" to the following, posted by Guest?

"He diffenently was not qualified. Even though not enough info was supplied if it turns out he was incompetent one has to call it. And it's not being arrogant if it's the truth. I believe it was yogi beara(?) that said. "Its not bragging if it's the truth." and this saying is simular to the reponses."

All I've done is embolden the spelling / capitalization errors, and underline the punctuation omissions. These being clues that many 'English is my only language', 'comprehension challenged' and ESL folk, rely on, to make sense of the comment.

My point?

Whilst many around here are still studying the OP, trying to divine what is being asked; 'some' just 'weigh-in' with the first "Eat Shit" that such superficialities offer.

That 'members' are not bagged so mercilessly for such as above - rather supports a number of 'observations' of late.

The 'watching' and 'judging', is a two-way street.

(Phoenix, be aware you are not 'the Current Habitual Practitioner', just 'today's lucky default example', (whereas CHP go's totally fu#kin' nuts if subjected to what they deal out))

Thanks......for the correction and analyzation.........but seriously I read and sent this as I doing now on my deck, laying in a hammock, with a cup of coffe slightly out of reach, on my so called smart phone what one screen I'm looking on is approximatly 2" x 3" screen, which spell checker also does not work which I sure has errors .......while your at it on this two-way street and in the area.....can you check out my colon, please. ......

I tend to over look spelling, grammar and look and the actual message in the post which is the actual point.....unless a new thread starts with the points you pointed out. Then I'll be happy to have you use me as the poster boy, as you pointed out I am well qualified.

Seriously, thanks for the correction........and be assured that even though english is my first language, I will still make mistakes.

p911

I have to agree with guest [user deleted 15]. the OP on the linked thread wanted to help a customer & learn something. As of this writing there are 5 responses, only the 2 guest responses [Del's is funny though] are relevant.

There is a tendency by various experts to suggest that only licensed professionals have valid knowledge in some areas, that the rest of us should defer to them & somehow us mere mortals are not worthy expanded understanding.

I don't mind guests being able to post, but understand as a guest you will be treated differently. I don't think guests should be thread starters, as you can never tell if they'll come back...

I think what you have referred to is not so much bigotry as the intolerance that many here have for us to do the work for others. All of what he asked could easily be supplied by the manufacture of the valve.

Best to simply point out to the poster that they are a coward and low life.

Some members admit to posting as guest as not to have to 'own' the opinion - that I disagree with.

I get sloppy on occasion but some of the posts from English speakers (Fellow Americans) look like they are written by 3rd graders - these are engineers? If a post is from a person speaking English as a second or third language it is easy to recognize and not worry about it.

One site that I use - www.greenpowertalk.org requires that you use your first and last name - nothing incognito allowed.

Sanimisra,

The points of the provoking guest should have been correct if it could have been younger generations instead of Indian younger generations. To me, irrespective of countries there seems to be a global trend towards A.C room jobs, quicker and lofty earnings and avoiding hardships in the hot sun- say civil or agriculture on even military for that matter. It is also to be a note worthy fact that present generations and kids are being more secured and live in a comfortable environment- all the positive benefits of technology. Human race will tend towards more comforts, security, protection,live and lead life in a comfortable environment. Hard jobs will be carried out by machines and human brains will control and monitor the same. These are facts of technology evolution.

The field choice got more with the attitude of the aspirant. Strangely all PWD jobs are now handled by efficient construction firms delivering timely project completions schedules and services.

Technology development can focus on sun protective work atmosphere, which will be beneficial to those who work in open sun- local climatizers, sun protective wears, shadow sun shades and all that.

The fact is software bears more value than hardware, brainy jobs fetch more salary than physical jobs. The input pains and returns are tallying each other it seems.

* My post is on the main topic and not on encouraging rude guests' posts.

To me he GA should not be an ongoing thing. It serves a purpose within a thread but then wipe the slate clean and don't carry them over.

For anyone that just wants to scream, yell, insult, etc. go to this site, http://www.craigslist.org/about/sites, find the area closest to you, or you can go to any location in the world. On the left is a link called Rants & Raves, the rules are very lax and you can pretty much post anything you want. For pure argument and insult, this site is far superior to CR4.

For pure argument and insult, .......

sounds like a skit from Monty Python

I've never posted there, but there are no moderators. I've looked at it a couple of times, my sister told me to check it out. It really can become a hatefest, particularly late at night. It would make the harshest, craziest CR4 member uncomfortable.

I was thinking more in the line of this.....

Didn't we all :D

Good one.....seems familiar