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Hygiene, A Way Of Life!!

08/14/2014 4:41 AM

It struck me the other day, that I haven't seen anything lately on CR4 about hygiene and tips on how to avoid picking up "Bugs" without being TOO obvious and "Nerdy"...

I hope that others here with useful practical ideas will also post and share their thoughts and ideas....

I am probably borderline "over-clean", I admit it, been like it for years - good or bad!!

I abhor public toilets, but naturally I have to use them (being an old man with a bladder and a prostate!!) from time to time....

I prefer ones with paper towels (overall cost is basically similar to the linen roll towels that get washed and replaced a German study has shown) as I can use the paper to open the door that other people who don't wash their hands ever have put their bacteria!!

This was noted in the German study of linen roll towels against paper towels as a positive difference.

I also, "wash" the taps while washing my hands if its a type that needs shutting off manually, using the supplied soap. I cannot say it truly is a positive thing other than in my own mind!!!

After shaking hands with ANYONE who appears to my fevered mind to be one who may not wash his hands, sneezes into them, handles anything probably dirty or is obviously ill, I register in my head that I need to wash my hands ASAP. ...and do it!!

In fact I completely avoid touching or shaking hands with anyone with obvious illness-cold-flu-diarrhoea......and tell them why!!

Toilet doors that do not need a handle to be grasped, even with paper, are avoided as much as possible......

It is not a perfect way to avoid nasty bugs, but over the years we as a family appear to have managed to avoid a large number of "Bugs" that have "swept" around the world here...

What we do NOT do, is to use disinfectants around the house, except when one of us has a bug that might be caught/passed on... We believe that a small number of bacteria left lying around when cleaning with normal soaps and the like are needed by the human body to keep the "anti-bug" mechanisms of the human body fit and ready to fight, so to say....

Total hygiene is to my mind a big failure and could result in many having serious problems later in life, my personal take on many modern illnesses.

I can also say that both my children (29 and 31 years old) have proved to be hardy in the long run when many are dropping like flies from transferable illnesses....as have my wife and I.

By the way, I have noticed over the years (we here define blue collar as normal handworkers and white collar as management and the like) that Blue collar tend to wash their hands properly after visiting the toilet, but White collar workers are often too "fine" to bother.....

The better the suite (Armani for example), the less likely they are to wash their hands/properly wash their hands.

A female co-worker told me in confidence that its no different in the ladies toilets either....UGH!!! (to both!!)

I hope that some of you have some fun and some serious comments and ideas to add here.....thanks in advance.

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08/14/2014 4:43 AM

Wrong room; medicine is down the hall in CR3.

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08/14/2014 4:57 AM

You having a slow day Andy?

There's hygiene and fussy... it's a fine line to draw. I think Andy is right when it comes to toilet matters, after that I think kitchen practice is important like don't cut raw meat and other stuff on the same surface. Raw meat on the bottom shelf of the fridge so it can't drip.

Regarding good old fashioned dirt, I just wipe my hands on the seat of my pants and we're good to go.
I'll wash my hands before doing any cooking... gotta help icing my Daught's wedding cakes (3 x 12" square ones) this afternoon... we don't want the icing coloured with Yew dust and beeswax do we?

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08/14/2014 5:14 AM

If you can make candles...!

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08/14/2014 5:26 AM

Great post with some good points to remember.

I won't shake though!!! ...except after U know what of course!!

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08/14/2014 11:46 AM

Congrats to you and caught, and Mrs. Cat.

I had the best time.ever the night my caught got married. He's a great guy they've been together 15 years and 4,kids. Have fun.

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08/14/2014 6:04 PM

"caught" had me puzzled, for a while.

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08/14/2014 6:29 PM

I could be clever and say it was Daught with a c for cat, but truth is I was addled from minor surgery in hospital and was typing on my phart smone in bed.

Home now on big boy PC and all's well.

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08/15/2014 3:57 AM

Glad to hear it.

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08/14/2014 6:28 AM

"In fact I completely avoid touching or shaking hands with anyone with obvious illness-cold-flu-diarrhoea......and tell them why!!"

Don't think you'd need to tell them why

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08/14/2014 9:04 AM

You are SOOOO right!!!

In the same manner that I, when I have cold or flu, don't offer my hand....

But many, almost dead with flu, STILL want to shake hands! UGH!!! They simply want to spread the misery.....

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08/14/2014 11:25 PM

What is this "dirt" thing you talk about?

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08/15/2014 12:23 AM

Misery loves company.

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08/14/2014 6:35 AM

I always wash my hands after being in any public place....and am pleased that they include alcohol wipes at the entrances to all the grocery stores now....I requested some years ago that they have a national 'bug out day', where they would have surgical masks and gloves at the entrances of all the large stores, to combat transmissible diseases for at least one day a year, in a big way.....still waiting on that one....I still don't understand why gloves and masks are not required in food preparation....I think it would go a long way in putting a dent in the 7 million cases of food poisoning a year here in the US....I guess I'm more concerned with the big picture....It certainly is an ongoing problem....

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08/14/2014 12:16 PM

We don't have that in stores in the UK, it's only fairly recently that hand-wash gel has become available in hospital corridors.

On a side note, we've been developing a portable system designed to be used in food handling places to detect listeria bugs. We tried it in a local butchers by taking 5 sample swabs from worktops, 4 of them indicated the presence of listeria.

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08/14/2014 8:36 AM

I've seen white collars pee, brush teeth and wash hands in 11 seconds ! I was prepared to record the time because I suspected that they do that on purpose, just to send you the message of how busy they are, and how precious the company's time is, for you to be wasting it in stupid hygiene.

I swear in God that I saw it

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08/14/2014 9:09 AM

Sadly in a way, I believe you completely.....seen similar stuff far too often....

Hygiene wise I am a Blue collar worker.... it would appear!!

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08/14/2014 2:52 PM

That time in particular (the 11 Sec. full refresh) was ridiculous, it was so hilarious that I had to look down for fear that I exploded in laughter ! the guy looked like a cartoon or a Benny Hill fast scene. I'll never forget that.

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08/15/2014 2:39 AM

In the public toilet:

Blue collar to white...didn't your mother teach you to wash your hands afterward?

White to blue....no, she taught me not to pee on my hands!

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08/15/2014 7:20 AM

Ha ha love that joke. But I've always heard it in an armed forces context. Usually Army vs Marines

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08/15/2014 10:21 AM

In my time it was Navy over RAF!!

Its a bit of an old chestnut!!!

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08/15/2014 9:25 AM

Personally I wash my hands before going to the bathroom. I know where my hands have been and I generally know its not where I would be putting other body parts.

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08/18/2014 5:21 AM

That's remarkable, and demonstrates why they get paid so much..... You watched from behind, right ? I bet he was just brushing his teeth in the urinal, and he just rinsed toothpaste off his hand after.

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08/14/2014 8:47 AM

Your regime might mean you'll live to a great(er) age, but even if you don't, it will feel like it .

I take the opposite approach. I wash my hands (and other bits) as required, but I don't obsess over it. I ignore sell-by dates and if something out of the fridge doesn't smell too bad, down it goes. I don't like waste, especially food. My friends are sometimes horrified! Doesn't seem to do me any harm, I don't know many people my age (69) as healthy as me.

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08/14/2014 9:15 AM

If the SBD is passed ( as happens to anyone occasionally I believe), it really shows that we (I include myself) buy too much in advance.....We should organise ourselves better....

Not that I will change my mind about what I buy and as long as it smells fresh AND I can cook it, it will get eaten.

I know friends who simply throwout everything once the SBD is passed. They waste a fortune....not my money.....

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You're right, but it's sometimes stuff friends have given me, as they're worried about eating it themselves.

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O.M.G......

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For much of the market SBD indicates the preservative expired.

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08/15/2014 1:34 AM

Stores have to sell by the SBD, so that's when I shop - at least 50% discount and a few days to eat it (or freeze for longer). Great opportunity to try things you would not usually eat.

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08/15/2014 8:54 AM

You have to look at how SBD's are established. There are statutes that say what they are which are arrived at "scientifically" and, hopefully, give the shortest shelf life. But the good old olfactory system should be your final guide. I found a tub of yogurt in the back of my fridge one day, with a SBD (or "Best Before" here) about 4 months past. I had never opened it, so I did and it still smelled okay, just like the one I had purchased, but, as I did have a newer model, I didn't consume the older one.

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08/15/2014 10:26 AM

Many years ago, an American colleague actually bought a Yogurt on its sell by date and was talking with me as he shoveled a large lump of green grunge into his mouth.....he had not noticed but all the fruit had gone bad.....

I thought he was gong to Barf (so did he for some minutes!)

He is still alive, we talk over Skype several times a week!! Maybe it worked as an antibiotic!!

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10/31/2014 12:48 AM

Didn't surpass the enzyme threshhold I suppose

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Yep, indeed so! What doesn't kill, fattens...

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probably worse than a bathroom when shared with a few hundred of your closest friends

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I try not to touch them......just like door handles.....only when there is no other way....if I have time, I wait till someone else opens the door....

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08/19/2014 10:41 AM

Here's something I saw a few years ago, designed by some college students for opening restroom doors with one's foot instead of grasping a traditional door handle. It's called the "Toepener."

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/01/25/u-student-entrepreneurs-create-the-toepener/

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08/19/2014 10:53 AM

Great link, clever idea, it should be a law for when a toilet only has roller towels with no paper towels.....

Sadly, none of the students (or the professor) spoke German, if they had, they would have written it "TÖPNER" as an"Ö" is the same as "OE", but in one letter!! Umlaut "O" its called.....

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Isn't "Ö" pronounced as in first or burn (or Göring)? Just asking, my German is all but non-existent. Or maybe it can depend on following letters.

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To get the right sound using English pronunciation, Pronounce "Göring" as "Ger-ring"..I think that is as close as I can get....its not perfect though....Hard "G" as in "Garage" not as "George" for example...

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10/31/2014 5:20 AM

The health service over here have just realised something that our Victorian forebears knew, using brass or copper door handles rather than stainless or chrome reduces the bacteria count due to the natural antiseptic nature of the surfaces.

I also watched a programme recently which included a bit from a clinic checking people for STDs. A young lady had just had some tests done & the doctor was looking at her swab samples under a microscope & listing the types of bacteria found. At the end she said 'don't worry, those are all essential to keep your body healthy'. We should be careful about nuking all of the bacteria, it may do us more harm than good.

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11/01/2014 3:15 PM

Well put, and something I personally strongly believe in.

An old British saying is:-

"Everone has to eat a peck (basket) of dirt before they die".

I only say, not all on the same day!

Overdone hygiene is dangerous,a middle of the road approach is best.

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08/14/2014 9:41 AM

You would not survive in my house. With 6 adult dogs, and 6 pups at the moment, we are in a state of constant cleaning. This implies we are also in a constant state semi-clean or even unclean. It part of the business but it's certainly not for everyone.

We go though hand soap like it was peanut butter! Our stock of paper towels, scrub brushes, mops, buckets and general cleaners rivals some stores! Yes, wash whenever you feel the need, and carry some wet wipes, or other type of hand cleaner with you, in your vehicle or purse/bag. We even supply disposable slippers to some of our customers!

Hygiene in a kennel is a challenge for sure. One important piece of advise:

If you are going to visit a kennel, be sure you change your shoes or spray them with something like Lysol, BEFORE you have contact with dogs outside that kennel. It's very easy to carry disease from one dog kennel to another. This is the reason many breeders will not allow visitors into their facilities. We are fortunate in that we have a second house we use to show our dogs/pups. It gets cleaned thoroughly after each visit.

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08/14/2014 9:53 AM

I bet your house is STILL cleaner than many others around!!!

Its not just HAVING a bacteria in a house (a completely sterile house is a liability!), but the QUANTITY!!

Your cleaning regime will keep the quantities low....eg. no problem....I am sure.

The benefits of dogs outweigh many other considerations I feel....

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Are you related to Howard Hughes?

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08/14/2014 10:23 AM

I see soap advertised that "kills 99.9% of bacteria". At 20 minutes per generation, it takes the remaining 0.1% particularly nasty ones that are hard to kill only 3 1/3 hours to replace the ones killed by the soap.

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08/19/2014 8:07 AM

Good point. GA

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08/14/2014 10:30 AM

I have an immune system so I tend to not worry about such things.

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08/14/2014 1:27 PM

Okay I wash my hand twice before and after. In some of my work never know what chemicals that may have been picked up. Don't need no rude awaking from handing some sensitive areas.

As far as the bugs go. Trying to avoid them is some what detrimental to the immune system. The one that's on that door knob today your body may be able to easily handle. It's descendants in a few years time as they evolve maybe a little more difficult for your body to handle. The immunity built up from their forefather's would at least help.

Now unless your going to live in a bubble coming in contact with these bug is inevitable. Typhoid Mary will come in touch with every surface that you touch sometime in your life. Problem is you can't see her to know how closely your following behind her.

So with that in mind I chose to do the best I can as I was taught. Wash my hands after using the rest room. Wash my hands and face before meals. Wash my body at least once a day. Wash my hands to get the dirt off them. That in itself can be a lot of hand washing. But even these sometime get pushed a side. Some of you that have been hiking, fishing or hunting. The water you carry is for drinking. So I chose not to worry about it. Worry would cause unnecessary stress on the body to make one more susceptible to the bugs anyway.

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08/14/2014 2:58 PM

I recently watched an Episode of Marketplace on the cleanliness of hotels. I was surprised at some of the practices and am now leary of hotel rooms. But I still stay in the rooms. I do not put things on the granite counters in the bathrooms and I carry a small spray of peroxide to rewipe remotes and phones. Scary episode.

It seems to me hotels need to really have some serious training programs for staff to understand and implement better practices. A small spray of 3% peroxide and another of vinegar can be used to disinfect most surfaces. Spray the peroxide and then vinegar on the same surface and you create a very good disinfectant. You cannot mix the two together and use it later. Also avoid hand disinfectants that use triclosan. Alcohol disinfectants like Purell are OK.

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08/15/2014 12:15 PM

Probably the dirtiest thing in a hotel room is the tv remote.

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08/14/2014 4:10 PM

Are you related to Howard Hughes?

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08/14/2014 11:34 PM

I wash my hands after using public, and private, facilities. I wash my hands before eating. I wash my hands when they get so dirty that they match the grease I am working with. I take one or more showers a day, depends how much I worked and how stinky I am. I brush my teeth twice or more a day. I wear clean underwear. My mother told me to always wear clean underwear because I might be in an accident and I didn't want rescuers to think I had dirty underpants.

I don't kiss strange women unless the thrill is better than the risk. I wear clean socks and clothes until I get them dirty.

I will wipe my hands with a towel, or pants, and not wash them fastidiously if it is a delicious corned beef on rye sandwich when I am extremely hungry. Same with a good porterhouse steak. I do eat raw clams on the half-shell and raw oysters.

I have also never been seriously sick from "contamination" and I haven't had a cold in four years. I guess my body has built up some bad habit benefits. Live life to it's fullest. Take a risk once in a while, eat without clipping your finger nails first!

Who has ICD (Impulsive Control Disorder), you or me?

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08/15/2014 12:40 AM

This reminds me of the interviews with healthy centenarians. Some drank, smoked, messed around. Others led a pure life. I don't remember any of them obsessing about germs. You can worry yourself sick. Observed symptom. You can blunder around ignoring the invisible germs your teachers told you about, and get sick. You can be unconscious about symptoms and lose a battle with germs, or your life. You can get soft x-ray treatment for chronic inner ear infections in 1950 and develop thyroid cancer in 1990. Been there, done that. You can be rich and famous and kill yourself because you take the cares of the world on your shoulders. There is no advice I can give you. After all, you're reading CR4...

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08/15/2014 8:59 PM

This reminds me of a few things- The boy in the bubble. Didn't he die a few months or so after leaving the germ free bubble?

My ancestors up to the last few generations were primarily farmers, florists and coal miners. Not real healthy in any of those trades. Only a couple of the more than several thousand or so died from uncleanliness. Great grandfather was a florist, died in a car accident. Another model "T" hit his model "T". He was 85 and drove till his death. Another grandfather further back was a coal miner. Got married in his late teens, first wife had 12 kids with him and then she died. He remarried and second wife had 7 kids with him and them she died. He remarried and the third wife had 6 kids with him and then she died. He worked in the mines till 75, had grandchildren who were older than his own children and died at 95. Life was rough where he lived and he lived in unhealthy conditions and outlasted all those "persistent hand washers".

Too much of a good thing can be bad!

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My wife and I are very good examples of how living a 'dirty rural farm boy' life and a 'clean urbanite' life have a direct effects on your health later in life.

I'm 40 and look, act, feel and live more vigorous and younger than her now despite her being 38.

I work with guys in the oil fields that are in their 20's and 30's that continually guess me to be early 30's at the most age wise. I even have to show my drivers licence at times to prove it.

Now my wife on the other hand admits she is 38 but most people just assume that being a woman she is playing herself down a few years on that number being her looks most days would put her at mid 40's and her attitude mid 60's or higher.

Physical and mental health wise I have her beat 2:1 on even my bad days. She limits her life living in a bubble of "what if" and I live unrestrained by a belief in not concerning myself with something until it actually happens.

BTW I typed this with 'dirty' hands.

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08/17/2014 12:03 PM

Agree. Before my hair got to be a lighter shade, not blonde, people often mistook my mother-in-law as my wife and my wife as my daughter. Most of the time they would estimate my age as being at least 10-15 years younger. I don't know why, maybe good brews, but I never got carded till after I was 21. Used to ride my bicycle to the liquor to pick up a case of beer before I got my drivers license. A couple of good beers will keep the bad thingies away and is much more tasteful.

Just noticed but my keyboard is dirty also. I will have to write a note to clean it one of these days. I wouldn't get much done if I had to wash the hands and the keyboard each time I used them.

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I think we need a definitive comment here from Stinky Pete

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I hope you carry around a roll of clingfilm, just in case you need to use somebody elses keyboard. Not a good idea to put it on the toilet seat.

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UNDER the toilette seat PLEASE!!!

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You know way to much about this .

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What is this "toilet" thing you speak of?

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You should know better than to tempt me. Investigations are in progress.....

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08/17/2014 1:41 AM

I have a friend that's putting way too much money into renovating a bathroom in his house... He has started calling it the "Taj Mapoo." He went so far as to install a Western-style ubber-toilet (made in Japan) that sprays your butt with a stream of warm water, then dries you with jets of warm air!

By the way, I don't know if anyone has mentioned these to Andy yet, but

- After washing your hands, turn off the faucet with your elbow. That's what doctors do.

- When you sneeze, do it into your elbow, instead of your hands or the air.

- When a hand shake is required and one or the other is ill, we bump elbows.

Hmm, I guess we're pretty hygienic over here, except for our elbows, which are cesspools!

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You need to understand that renovating a bathroom, 'bog' in UK speak, is a job of love. It's often said that since a person spends about 1/3 of their life in bed, it's well worth investing a fair amount of money on a decent mattress. I seriously don't want to know how much time you spend in the 'restroom' (please leave me in ignorant bliss on that term !).

I'd always wondered about armpit hair - it's to help soak stuff up ! I can finally explain my bad habits to Mrs K.

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I just HAD to answer, my versions, not quite what I always do!!!

- After washing your hands, turn off the faucet with your elbow. That's what doctors do.

You are wrongly assuming that it is a lever tap movement, what if its the type that needs turning? Here most are that sort!!! I would love to see the gymnastics required to turn one of those off!!!

- When you sneeze, do it into your elbow, instead of your hands or the air.

I always do it in the general direction of the nearest A***hole.....remember that!!!

- When a hand shake is required and one or the other is ill, we bump elbows.

How "twee"!!! It sounds like some "special" club's secret greeting!!!! NO THANKS!!

Hmm, I guess we're pretty hygienic over here, except for our elbows, which are cesspools!

EXACTLY!!!!

At least you have a handy place to pee when no toilet is handy!!

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Well, I'm sorry! We all can't all sport dueling scars and drink schnapps! And now, I'm pointing my elbow in your general direction, as we speak!

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I am sure that it is a very valid and worrying weapon!!

I am looking away and pointing my 100% germ killing disinfectant spray in your direction!!

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08/15/2014 7:29 AM

For those doors that open in, you can push on the pivot point and the door will open enough to get your foot behind it to open it the rest of the way.

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08/15/2014 7:42 AM

Cleanliness is next to Godliness. Now a days new fatal viruses such as Ebola are being discovered, it is better to be clean. Avoid shaking hands, kissing or hugging, wash your hand as much times in day as possible, wash hands after using toilet, keep kitchen clean, wash all vegetables. Many such precautions appearing in news papers and T.V.

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08/15/2014 1:58 PM

Andy, I agree with you 1000%. I do exactly the same as you. Reading your rant made me think it was me ranting. Others think I'm obsessive in my behavior. I don't regard myself as a "clean freak". I see life from a micro (as in microbe) level. I know there are harmful microbes on every surface one comes in contact with. Thankfully, most have a short life, but you never know where the really bad ones are. I try to avoid supermarkets and even hospitals. As a result, I have remained free from common colds for two years. If I get a cold, it's because someone in my family gave it to me. When I go to a public restroom, something I dread doing, I use paper toweling to wipe myself; wash my hands with soap and hot water; dry with paper towels and use the towel to open the door. If I'm walking down an aisle and someone sneezes, I hold my breath and immediately turn around and retreat a safe distance. I try not to touch door handles. if the door can be pushed, Iuse my elbow or shoulder to open the door.If it swings toward me, I use the bottom of my shirt or jacket. In many ways, I am like that TV character Monk.

Here is a hint for anyone who needs to go and doesn't want to go to a dirty supermarket restroom. Go to a doctor's professional building and use their restroom. They are always kept clean and not in frequent use.

At home I wash my hands before preparing food. I wipe down cutting boards before using them. All of this is in direct contrast to my early years. I was born in New York City during the depression years. Hygiene wasn't practiced any great amount. Even hospitals were dirty compared to today. Back then, if you were old and poor, you went to the hospital to die, not get well. I still have vivid memories of dying patients in 90° hospital wards, windows wide open and humidity 90%. Back then as kids (and adults), we played in the dirt, ate food with our dirty hands and somehow got away with it. Maybe it was the dirt that made us immune to disease.

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Thanks for your post, we agree on quite a few things, though I tend to wash my hands so often when preparing food, especially if raw eggs have to be handled, I get skin cracking problems in winter time...I use a Norwegian skin product, its really effective.,,,when I remember.....

I am borderline mental with hygiene.....

I try and force myself NOT to wash my hands after taking a pee at home and not actually touching anything other than me, can't do it....awful really!! I'm too old to change now.....

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http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bathing.jpg
This man has not washed in 60 years. He is now 80 and claims when he washed he got ill. Being dirty kept him healthy....but an ineligible bachelor.

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Picture is useless, no hot linking allowed....

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Hope this works.

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NOPE!!

Wrong format. You need to convert to either .jpg or .png is I remember correctly...

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Nope. You'll need to downlooad it to your own PC, then re-post it from there.

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I see he smokes too....lol

Talk about a minimalist....

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Thanks SE. I not quite as old as the guy in the picture but still an old dog. I will try to figure out the jpg as I thought this was when I posted.

Imagine the immune system this guy developed. But then everyone avoids him so he avoids communicable disease. Or is he the disease we get when we don't wash our hands after using the toilet?

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In normal life, there is a balance (as with most things in REAL life), you need a certain amount of bacterial content/contact each and every day to keep your body's immune system "fighting fit".

But you don't need an overdose either.....

I personally believe that using strong disinfectant sprays (kills 99% of all known germs, and the like) are really bad for general health, especially around children of any age, except where something nasty and communicable is around.

Like the flu epidemic from 1919 for example. Look at how many died!!! Estimated at between 3 - 5 % of the world population then, somewhere between 50 and 100 million people. It is not known exactly. It ran round the whole world before dying out between in 1920....

An almost total lack of knowledge about the effectiveness of hand washing was probably a major fact in just how quickly the infection spread!!

Even today, if a similar pandemic happened, say with flu again (but new strains of course!), then there is simply NO WAY that the drug companies could supply the amounts of medicine needed, in the required time scale!!!

Obviously far more medicine will be needed than (but of course completely unavailable!) in 1919!! Many times more.....

By the way, the flu jab is also something I believe in, as it appears to not only to have a generally good protection for most years, but to reduce the symptoms if you do catch it! I also find that I get less, sometimes no colds during the winter, but whether that is to do with the flu jab or not I cannot say....

That is why a "healthy" attitude and good practices with regard to normal hand washing and the like, discussed here already at length, is probably the only form of illness prevention that will be available to many people everywhere.....maybe a few muslin (Muslim!!) masks might help too.

Have YOU got such masks at home, I admit that I don't.....must buy some!!

If you are not particularly careful with bacteria and the like, even if your immune system has been "well trained" with "dirt" and the like for many years, you will still go the way of many in 1919.

Do not forget, there were in 1919 VERY few people who were inoculated against ANYTHING! Even though it was known for some years but only for certain illnesses, smallpox for example I believe was one, and little or no effective medicine against Flu then as far as I am aware.

SO VERY WELL TRAINED IMMUNE SYSTEMS FOR ANYONE WHO GOT TO BE 21 OR OLDER IN 1919!!!!! Far far better than our immune systems today.

Remember, many children died young of such communicable illnesses, right up to WW2, before methods and medicines started to be available. My Grandparents lost 3 children of the 7 they had.....absolutely normal......then!!

My father almost died of inflammation of the brain in 1918 at 4 years old, till a kindly local doctor bored a hole in his skull to reduce the pressure on his brain from the fluid, ("ICP"), at home in my grandparents kitchen!!

Theoretically at least, the first time this was "officially done" and the patient lived a normal life afterwards in the UK.....though some prehistoric and historic evidence of similar ops also exists I am told....amazingly.....!

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08/17/2014 3:20 PM

I spent a lot of time in the water industry and in particular ground water. I know full well the problems of bacteria and water supplies. We were licensed to operate public water supplies. It was interesting to go into schools where a janitor without real training was tasked with the water supply. Using colorimeters without really wiping the flask and then recording that reading as a measure of chlorine in the water supply. Yep, as expected many false readings. Thankfully, all operators are required to be licensed and trained and renewal was based on conditionally expanding the training each year.

However, if you have a fear of bacteria from banisters, doorknobs, taps or drinking water, you will be even more afraid of knowing what can exist in water supplies. Pharmaceutical, Personal Care Products or PPCP is the latest acronym for a whole new look at water supplies. These are things that show up in water supplies that receive normal treatment such as some filtration and chlorination. They test regularly for bacteria but very seldom for PPCP. Areas of concern are small build up rural areas where individual wells and septic systems support the residential waste and water supply. However, most receiving streams of urban waste will also contain these products. PPCP could be anything from caffeine, estrogen, cosmetics, any drug residual a person can excrete, and the list grows. I do believe future treatment will focus on treating such waste but that does not exist today. Be wary of a water supply unless you know and understand the source and history of treatment. Anyway, I thought I throw in my own phobia to hygiene.

We could drive ourselves nuts over trivial problems but we can still practice safe hygiene and water consumption. I would sooner use a tree than a "johnny-on-the-spot" outhouse. Sometimes my bladder aches too much and the outhouse is the only alternative. I do have a small bottle of Purell ( an alcohol) cleanser that I use for such emergencies.

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08/18/2014 8:36 AM

Nothing to do with personal hygiene, but another issue in drinking water is pesticide, mostly from agricultural run-off. I also worked in the water/effluent business for many years, and we did good business in the 80s and 90s with removal plant using ozone and GAC, occasionally hydrogen peroxide as well. It would probably have some effect on PPCPs, but I haven't heard of it being quantified.

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08/18/2014 10:50 AM

Pesticides are at least tested by regulation at specified intervals. PPCPs however are not a part of any routine testing. I think a peroxide system in conjunction with activated carbon should be a part of any treatment regime for PPCP.

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08/18/2014 2:37 AM

Not quite sure.....but the hands look as though they're covered in spatter!

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08/16/2014 4:24 AM

I am not jealous......

Thanks for posting.

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08/15/2014 6:56 PM

"Others think I'm obsessive in my behavior. I don't regard myself as a "clean freak". I see life from a micro (as in microbe) level."

See that's the thing most people with OCD type afflictions see themselves and what they do as being perfectly justified and it's the rest of us who never have such thoughts cross our minds that are the ones who are nuts.

Personally I don't know who is right and who isn't but so far I have met anyone who had to take meds so that they would worry about those things until they spin out of control.

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08/17/2014 12:42 PM

When I was growing up in NYC, I can't recall anyone washing their hands after a toilet stop. My dear departed Aunt was a real clean freak. She would take her own silverware and a napkin when she went to a restaurant, but she would drink out of glasses in cocktail lounges. Maybe she thought the alcohol in the drink would kill any germs. When she traveled and stayed in hotels, she brought along her own sheets, pillowcase and bath towels. I can remember wiping my silverware with a towel in restaurants. That was a habit I picked up from my Aunt. I'm sure at the microbial level, it didn't do much good. Being pretty free from contagious diseases for a long time makes me believe I have been doing something right all this time. Better safe than sorry.

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08/17/2014 1:15 PM

How clean was the towel that you wiped the restaurant silverware with? Was it from the "sanitary in question" restaurant? Did you bring it from the "clean home"? What was the container you brought it in? How clean was this? Where did you get the container from? Once you cleaned the silverware did you rest it on the potentially dirty table cloth, dish or linen napkin? Did you wash your hands immediately prior to opening the container? How did you protect the silverware from airborne germs, etc. and the results of the people around you sneezing? Did you use aseptic procedures in removing the silverware from the bag? Were the silverware steam sterilized just prior to being put in the bag. If gas sterilization was used, how did you remove excess Ethylene Oxide from the container. Did you use a temperature sensitive indicator to show that the load had in fact been sterilized in steam. ETO indicator if it was used.

Even with extensive person hygiene habits, almost to the point of excessive compulsive disorder (ECD), there are still numerous daily things that can "break through the hygiene barrier".

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08/17/2014 8:51 PM

To whoever gave the OT--> You should learn more about extreme cleanliness! Every one of the items listed is from an environment much higher in "hygiene" and cleanliness than you could probably and practically ever be! Even those with hygiene OCD are extremely dirty and outright filthy both in body and their actions. Their "cleanliness" is worthless in comparison to THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH STERILE DRUGS ARE MADE and even some non sterile ones.

http://informahealthcare.com/isbn/9781420081312

Google "sterile dug manufacturing environment" or "sterile manufacturing" or other similar phrases. It will be easy to recognize that those shots you got for the flu or pneumonia last year were clean and injected into a "dirty body".

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08/19/2014 8:23 AM

All the above reading justifies investing in proper bathing equipment. The cast iron bath is clearly one of the best investments one could make. However, once it gets to a certain age, the problem of getting rid of it begins to arise pending its replacement.

Does any reader have any good ideas about getting rid of one?

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08/19/2014 9:59 AM

Makes a great planter...can even do veggies in there!

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08/19/2014 10:45 AM

Good point, I bet certain veggies thrive in such a place.

Lets start a list of the possible uses for an old bath. I will start.

1) Full of water to let river/lake fish clean out their intestine and meat over a period of a week.

2) Bathing itself!! I just got out of one 10 minutes ago as its a great way of getting rid of horny skin on my feet. (Too much info?)

3) Horse and cattle trough set "on" the ground. Set deeper into the ground, even a pig and other livestock can use one, even ducks. Always have a few bricks at one end to allow such animals a "way out" if needed.

4) Redneck aquarium for Turtles and the like.

5) Redneck motorbike engine/gearbox washing. (usually still in the bathroom!)

6) Water butt for plant watering.....

7) Holding "live" bait alive for fishing.

8) Soaking fresh water fish catch (dead & cleaned!!!!) in salt for a better flavour.

9) Mixing concrete/cement by hand.

10) Cleaning/washing the dogs before letting them in the house.

11) Ditto for small children!!

12) I once broke an old iron bath and strengthened a new concrete floor slab I was pouring, to the old one alongside it with some of the pieces, 28 years later still no cracks!! I took some stick on that one, but it came out really fine! Cheaper than Rebar!

Knowing CR4 members, I am sure you Guys can beat all of my uses with dozens of "better" uses. Please add them here....

(Caveat, I have not done all of the above myself, but some uses have come from friends....I've seen them done....)

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OF COURSE!!!, how could I forget?

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08/20/2014 12:43 AM

How about "I wouldn't drink anything that fish have been f****** in." - W. C. Fields

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08/20/2014 4:50 AM

The opinion of experts is always to be valued.

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08/22/2014 2:50 AM

Next they'll be censoring Martin Luther King! Dang!!!

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08/22/2014 6:13 AM

..and he wasn't even packin' cigars.

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Kris?

Sadly Admin closed the original Blog.....maybe Kris still has his big hammer?

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Break it up with a sledge hammer and throw the pieces into recycle.

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