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Why Have People Left CR4?

12/30/2014 12:07 AM

?It's as simple as that.

Over the past year or two, many valued members have left. There are people with expert skills who have just gone. Why ? I'll not name names, but more than a few people have just gone. On top of that, folk who kept the CR4 humour and hilarity have gone.

Unlikely they will come back and explain, but does anybody know ?

I've no beef with IHS, but some of the most talented people have simply gone. People enjoyed the banter and techno stuff. If you have any doubt, just look at where the the really clever folk have gone - it's not here.

No intent to insult, but (and I'll not name them) numerous people are just not here any more.

This is no critrisism of Savvy and the crew at CR4. I'm sure IHS can explain. I'm an optimist - count and check how many good posters have gone. CR4 is made by the people here, I could ( but will not) tell you who. More than 20 people have simply left. Every single one has been a huge contributer. Is it so hard to figure out ?

IHS - give CR4 some leeway. People just want to discuss stuff and have a mild giggle. Get you heads around people giving their time. Ban me if you wish, but at least have a think about it.

My excuse is a bottle of wine (I fib, but what is your excuse). Can we have CR4 back ?

This used to be a fun mix of techno chat and banter. It seemed to go wrong when IHS took over. We were doing pretty good before, and the kickback for Globalspec was probably not to bad.

Sorry if that offends - if nothing else, just consider it.

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12/30/2014 1:12 AM

Relax, chill out Kris. They're gone for the holidays. Anyway the forum and the site is not exclusive for those who left. They'll come back anytime sooner. Lyndoor and Krisdel is still here as well as S.E. , AH, europium mkii and the anons.

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12/30/2014 9:16 AM

many just lurk but rarely speak

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12/30/2014 9:31 AM

If only all would just lurk and not speak!

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I guess your tongue-in-cheek response was not appreciated by a couple of O.T's

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01/03/2015 12:39 AM

I everyone just lurked and did not speak, then it could be a rather empty argument.
In the local lingo (in that big island called Australia), 'lurking' also comes with the definition to follow a profitable strategy to dodge or scheme while learning the perks (and lurks) on how to get ahead of the 'system' ... and in a CR4 environment, maybe get a free ride without participating.

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01/03/2015 3:19 AM

Nor anons, apparently.

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12/30/2014 1:53 AM

CR4, a forum created by Chris and Rodger, I always liked to think that CR stood for Chris and Rodger's forum, but in their modesty, they said not so. A forum created by a modest pare of individuals, that to my way of thinking, reflected their high principals, that included free speech, and to uphold that they included guests.

When I joined CR4 there was good comradeship, where there was a lot of give and take, not engineering nut and bolt subjects. But! Later on, after getting rid of guests, it became the Control Room forum, if you did not talk nuts and bolts you where not welcome.

The Control Room then progressed into the Criticise Room forum, if their post was not up to scratch, nuts and bolts, don't come back.

I have noticed that quite a number are not coming back, and new posts are becoming rare? There are a large number of good members that put a lot into this forum, lets have more good comradeship.

I really enjoy this forum, so lets have a Kris Del solution? (sorry memories)

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12/30/2014 2:56 AM

KrisDel solutions are available in handy 100ml bottle.

Suitable for all your cleaning, dissolving and glueing needs.

(any resemblance to UK tap water is purely coincidental)

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(I don't think there is the range of interesting questions that there once was)

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12/30/2014 3:19 AM

That's not big enough bottle. Get serious!

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12/30/2014 7:30 AM

But it makes life easier at airport security .

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12/31/2014 5:25 AM

First of all "Happy New Year to all our friends"

If I remember CR4 is derived from "Conference Room No.4". Now if some of the old guys who were active and humorous have left, may be they have found some other social media. Nothing to worry about. We still have many talented people in the forum.

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12/30/2014 5:10 AM

Things change outside of CR4.

There are job and family situations that come up, people die, and I think some have even cut back due to the NSA collection revelation.

The only reason I keep typing along is that the government already has my profile built and it's too late to change it.

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12/30/2014 5:38 AM

Talk about cutbacks - 100ml bottles . That doesn't go far when one has fur. Times may be tight, Del, but we have to get the consumers back ! I have contacts who can supply the magic fluid, possibly even folk who can give our regulars a good rub down .

It's all very safe - NSA are some of out best customers ! There's a thread somwehere, 'are you an unowing terrorist', and they haven't got this on their list yet. Get aboard whilst the going is good ! I would not take the pee at the end of year......

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12/30/2014 5:33 AM

Lives change, or cease. Those wise, talented ones may simply have passed away. (Moment of silence here)

Illness/infirmity is also a reality.

Interests/priorities also change. Do you do, or like to do, all the same things you used to.

Employment circumstances may have been the reason for some leaving. I can think of a few who only seemed to post during what I supposed were their work hours.

Some may have acquired wives or children (or other toys) who are more important to them. (Hard to understand, I know)

I don't even remember how I stumbled on to this forum, but I was not looking for a place to hang out, I'm not that social. I was looking for an answer to some question and liked the answers I got here.

Blame it on evolution, I guess.

Finally, some may not recognize this:

Others will.

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12/30/2014 5:55 AM

Like many, you just ended up here Lyn. I long since gave up trying to understand why or how I giot here. It's a tecno black-hole from which we cannot escape.We've all got sucked in, so may as well enjoy the juicy syruup of it all..

My initial comments aside, very few escape. Some take a break, some morph, but they come back. With no intent to suck up, it's because the place is pure damn fun. A freebee site that mixes technical stuff with good giggles. We all like to gripe at changes, but it's still very much 'CR4'. The label may change, but it's still the same folk who make it what it is. Serious questions, daft questions, plenty of good natured humour and 'weekend questions'. It's still CR4 (call it what they may), and we can now enjoy it going for another year. IHS, if they know it or not, have acquired the best meet up place for engineering/science types.

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12/30/2014 5:20 PM

Yes I remember, a valued member from NZ, who did not return, his anniversary post being tomorrow. The general consensus being that some members leave for reasons beyond their control?

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12/31/2014 4:12 AM

Sparky went some years ago, sadly.....

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I remember he was "Sparky" from New Zealand, scholar in electrical engineering. He would post long comments on electrical eng. Also there was "S.Steve" with avatar of guitar. He went to Malaysia. Also visited Mumbai and Jamnagar petroleum refinery. He was refinery expert.

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12/31/2014 11:06 AM

Sparkstation.

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12/30/2014 6:10 AM

$10 or I leave, or your money back. =) Probably I wont. I recall Lyn was my first acquintance when I came, we have misfits with Andy before and i have no idea they were acquinted with Lyn, but no matter how cheezy it is, i was never so serious and care on bullying and discrimination(shet happens), pretty sure you people around here has alot of experience and tolerance compare to anyone else with that stuff. I wanna thank you all for reading my comments and shares, its an honor to exist, I am grateful. Happy New Year to all, whatever we are, whatever evil or good things 2015 may bring. Whatever it is i like to be remembered smiling =)

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12/30/2014 6:54 AM

Noudge, you will be remembered. More than half here are barking mad. Mostly they are all all half barking mad. Subtle difference.

Lyn, I dare not say, but I've seen his car. It looks like one of thos NASCAR things (he's welcome to butcher me for that, if he survives next ride ). I could tell you of peeps who love shooting bows, riding on London busses, trying to hide at Snetterton, work at jaw dropping astronomy and phtysics places. Blow up stuff at mines and public events. People who wipe anyones rear end with theoretical physiccs, maths. I likle tgo think I am smart, but there's not a single topic I could not find somebody better on.

I've tried to describe that, just so I agree. I am an idiot compared to most folk here, I'm a complete idiot.

Thanks, Nouge - you have given me good cause to think. I apprteciate that very much.

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12/30/2014 8:50 AM

No problem Kris, take care, not so much with that stuff your drinking, or else, you wont gonna make it sober at New Years Eve.

Wifey always ask me "did your mother knew about it? - like your always laughing alone, you yourself".

I said "nothing much, just CR4 dear". --pretty addictive.

The traces of nut is by the way, is pretty impressive.

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Amen to that. You gents have helped to to a more open mind - you blow my mind!

Now if I could just find that brain squeegy.

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12/30/2014 7:17 AM

It may be they got help for their computer addiction.

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12/30/2014 8:20 AM

Since I've been coming here I've enjoyed the banter between others,Answers to questions of my own and learned a lot about things I never knew I had an interest in. I have given input on some things I know about(rare)but mostly read and learn. I admire some for their views and others for their willingness to share experience and knowledge.

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12/30/2014 8:30 AM

They are probably coming back as anonymous posters.

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12/30/2014 8:38 AM

The unregistered users have dominated the site since I got here.

Right now there are 116 on the site, with 20 of us named users. It's always been like that.

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12/30/2014 8:39 AM

My post was intended as a cheap shot to add some levity to the conversation. ;-)

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12/30/2014 9:07 AM

"The unregistered users have dominated the site since I got here" - but unregistered users cannot post. They can only browse, i.e. read what's already posted.

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I am Spartacus!
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12/30/2014 9:52 AM

Yeah, or they are registered and not signed in.

People always come and go, and there have always been a relative few of us jesters keeping the masses entertained.

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12/30/2014 10:32 AM

I found myself invited here to take the "Trebuchet Challenge" while browsing GlobalSpec for various and sundry items. GlobalSpec proclaimed the site to be "for Engineers and anyone interested".

It took me a while, considering my density, to realize "Engineers" did not mean train drivers, but actual Engineers.

For the most part, my experience has been interesting and enjoyable. I sincerely hope that CR4 remains an opportunity to interact with people that know how things work and share this knowledge.

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12/30/2014 10:58 AM

Yes, all the train people made tracks and left.

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12/30/2014 11:05 AM

I think of this forum as a "one stop shopping" place for information from knowledgeable people. My interests are hands-on applications and this forum supports that better than other forums do.

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12/30/2014 11:17 AM

I'm only here 'til I hit 500 GAs.

Then I'm going to cash them in and take that trip to Hawaii I've always wanted.

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12/30/2014 12:53 PM

Yeah, now watch all the GAs pour in because everyone will be expecting your exodus! ;-)

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Ha! I rest my case!

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12/30/2014 1:26 PM

Two reasons I stopped posting, I needed to spend more time on my business and secondly, after while there gets to be a degree of repetition.

My daughter just bought me a copy of "Landrover monthly", very informative and interesting but would I want to read it every month? I think not.

The forum is a bit like a local bar, sometimes you just need a change for a while.

A seasonal greeting, molt d'anys

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12/30/2014 1:40 PM

as soon as everyone buys something with graphene in it I'll disappear

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PMSL....
So that's 2035 then ?

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12/30/2014 5:59 PM

They probably bought new laptops with Windoz 8.1 and can no longer deal with it!

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12/30/2014 10:43 PM

2015 is the Year of the Sheep ... or Goat, depending on which interpretation you are following, not that I suggesting that we are sheep or goats. But going further, it is said that 2015 is a year to use mental abilities over brute force. For those who wish to be aggressive, expect to be out-flanked by strategy and common sense. Sounds like a fruitful CR4 discussion to me! (It starts Thursday 19 Feb 2015).

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"...expect to be out-flanked by strategy and common sense."

Bah! Just have the wool pulled over their eyes!

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12/30/2014 11:28 PM

I am only very new to the forum so have no idea who was here previously. Sad to hear that some have been lost

The only criticism of the forum that I would levy is the quite indiscriminate use of the off topic button.

Most queries get answered within a few posts and then the banter begins. There are some very clever comments which, whilst technically off topic are damn good reading and often stay visible. No problem as far as I am concerned.

Where I have a concern is the very common practice of people using the off topic button for no reason other than that they disagree with what was posted.

If an answer to a query is given, and it relates to the topic, then, even if it is wrong, it should not be voted "off topic" because it is clearly not off topic. There are enough savvy people on here to quickly point out the error of the poster's ways and they should offer their corrections to what has been stated.

If you don't agree with what has been said, then it would be far more informative to all readers if you were to simply say so, and offer up your conflicting views and/or evidence to support that particular view. Put it out there for peer review if you're game

I fully expect this post to be voted off topic.

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12/31/2014 12:26 AM

The problem is that GA and OT are incommensurable choices. There is no way to vote and answer as bad other than to call it OT. Dangerously wrong answers can be "on topic", but there needs to be a way to vote them down. Of course, detailed refutation is even better, but there are limits on free expertise.

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12/31/2014 1:58 AM

I accept what you say, and I also accept that an "off topic" choice is handy to have to remove dumb or totally erroneous posts, but OT shouldn't be used "just because you disagree"

So maybe there needs to be an adjustment made to the available voting choices so that any safety concerns or just plain disagreements can be addressed in a more realistic manner than is at present the case..

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12/31/2014 2:41 AM

Something of that sort would be a valuable improvement. Even a simple thumbs up/down would be better than the unrelated choices we now have. BTW, Amazon Discussions have a similar problem with their voting choices, which are misunderstood and sometimes abused in much the same way as here.

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12/31/2014 7:46 AM

Some of us have been asking for the GA/OT scheme to be reworked for, literally, years. We're still waiting.

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12/31/2014 8:28 AM

This is the new-math approach. There are no bad answers, Johnny.

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12/31/2014 4:26 AM

The ONLY way another member can alert you to a mistake, or anything else wrong is with that button. Its the only one...

The reason somebody used it will not always be apparent to the poster.....many marking the same post OT should be a big Heads Up for anyone. A single one is less valid.

There are people (still here) who want a range of buttons, some practical, some not, but if implemented, should give the poster a better idea of why he went wrong.

Some original questions here are so "inane", its hardly surprising the they get marked OT immediately by many.....

If I get an OT, I just think of the Old Testament quote, also O.T. by the way (I think it was from there!):- "Pearls before swine!"

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12/31/2014 6:38 AM

Hear! hear! - I have been marked as 'Off-Topic' on occasions for a post being 100% bang on topic. Puzzling! I read OT posts anyway.

I have also been given GA's when considering other posts of better merit that seem to be passed over.

There is a chance to comment at CR4

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/25664?frmtrk=cr4sd#newcomments

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Well it was, but I have put you back to neutral.

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12/31/2014 12:12 AM

A healthy forum will have a stable number of people leaving(old age, death, alien abduction, etc.), but an equal number of young new people coming in to replace them. The population doesn't just drop for no reason. My opinion is that new people wander in looking for help and camaraderie, post an innocent question and the half dozen(out of hundreds of sincere members) trolls crawl out and bully them into submission. They leave disappointed, and I suspect some older members are embarrassed and discouraged and leave themselves. I've been much less liable to post myself after consistent attacks like that.

(Can anyone suggest an engineering forum that is a civil community?)

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12/31/2014 9:19 AM

I cannot speak for anyone else but I prefer the undiluted truth as it is much easier to understand and eliminates insinuation.

I would dearly hope that my peers catch my mistakes before they are repeated by others due to my misinformation.

Keep up the good work and HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!

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12/31/2014 3:29 PM

Have you tried Googling to find that civil engineering forum?

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12/31/2014 3:44 PM

Do you mean, as opposed to an uncivil one?

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I was under the impression that you did not need to search for an uncivil site.

It would seem you are well entrenched here. Though not productively, as near as I can tell.

I believe that the reasons people come and go have been covered quite well.

Some "reasons" have been mentioned ad nauseum, here and elsewhere.

I'd be thrilled to help you find a more suitable site, if you'd like.

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"(Can anyone suggest an engineering forum that is a civil community?)"

Civil Engineering? I mean, as in, "CIVIL ENGINEER...." Oh, you know what civil engineering means. Anyway, THAT!

But probably not this, anyway!

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It is a cultural phenomenon. Web Forums of any sort (not just specifically CR4) are prone to have veterans bullying newcomers.

It's ugly and pointless, but it's there. This cultural phenomenon of veterans bullying newcomers on web forums must be a reflection of our globally-connected common society, driving itself into self-destruction, not unlike most recent history.

We're simply a crazed bunch of bored apes, determined to hassle each other to death, because we live in a very unfair and cruel civilisation - that's my sad observation.

"We" in that context is the Human Race.

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02/20/2015 4:22 PM

I've been in many workplaces that work like that. In the last century. Nowadays, assholes get called down to the HR office for behavior like that.

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"...get called down to the HR office..." - not to be winked at, I hope

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How can anyone be taken seriously with such eyebrows?

IMPOSSIBLE!!!

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02/20/2015 7:30 PM

That's a pretty Eyebrowist statement! You should be ashamed of yourself!

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I am!!

Stupid me, I looked at the post and was simply FASCINATED, in a very macabre manner.....then I felt like having a good Grouch!!

Then I wanted to leave Marks everywhere....

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY???

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Neither have I, but I gave you an extra OT anyway .

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rofl ! I think that Del has the record- it was something in the twenties. Anybody who can recall the thread may have a well earned GA .

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There was a time when moderator Merph gave 20,000 OT's to somebody as a joke.

IIRC, the most GA's on a single post was to Blink for a refutation of some over-unity fuel-mileage nonsense.

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What on earth do you mean by 'over-unity nonsense' ?

Are you trying to say over-unity is not real ?

I though this is a scientific forum

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- Should I OT myself ?

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I'd forgot that one - priceless funny !

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Thanks, but I have seldom earned so many OTs it for so little work, and had such fun, funning!

I always say that you have to leave a few Marx behind, to show here you were!!!

You are simply a very kind friend....thanks for Offing me!!

Its not quite a record yet though!!

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I like OT comments. Some are worth a GA, but there's no button to click.

I have picked OT's in the past for comments more On-Topic than the OP.

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I don't know much, but i believe your post is funny. An extra OT from me. For the laugh.

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That is most kind, thanks. You are right, my post was a small attempt at humour!!

But, as many are aware here, I am not a "searcher" for either OT or GAs.

To be here for just to get GAs for example has no interest for me personally. I often have a completely different take on the best way to identify and fix some of the problems brought to CR4. But I usually wait and chime in quite late, see what has been offered and sometimes manage o point something out that nobody has thought about up till then.

You can see that time and time again......

I find it a lot of fun to be on board with such a great bunch of engineers, even if some of them react like "prima donna" ballerinas.....I usually ignore them......

CR4 simply stay as you are, it works quite well!!

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I was trying to give you a laugh with an 'inside' joke. I did a translation of your tag line and came up with "those who don't know, can be told anything". but i see from an earlier post that you have a different take on it. Of course speaking a language and knowing the nuance is going to give a different interpretation than a literal translation will. For instance if my wife "puts me in the dog house" i am not going to live in the kennel. Could you be so kind as to give a word for word translation of your tag. You have already described the sarcastic nuance that translates as " For those who understand, no explanation is necessary, for those who don't, no explanation is possible!". I don't speak German but i often feel that i can read it and get an understanding of what is being said. Probably wrong!Jim

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Which is pretty good for translation software!

"Those who know nothing, believe a lot!"

Its slightly sarcastic in the second half of the sentence....

By the way, I have two sayings, they are numbered for the simple folk now!!

It fits with a few that I know, like the ones that believe that the US government brought down the Twin Towers with explosives after paying Arabs to fly planes into them, or that NASA did not go to the moon.....for example.....

Basically, the less educated a person is (not the one who properly self educate), the more likely they are to believe in "Conspiracy theories"......

Just look around yourself at the office, in the pub, almost anywhere....

I hope that I have answered your query...

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Just had a look at another thread and you answer the questions i have, on that thread. Murphy made me look at this thread first and left me with 'egg on my face'. Translate that! Jim

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To Andy.

You had 5 OT's when I replied. I gave you an extra OT for fun. But then I found I have been hit with 5 OT's as well.

I can guess why, because that's the way the programme works.

But logically an OT against an OT cancels out and puts the reply back on topic.

On the face of it, if I wanted to collect OT's to set a record, all I need do is to keep replying to the post that had the most OT's, and then get a couple of mates to give me OT's at the last minute. The winning post you might say!

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If you reply to an OT post, the "Yes, this comment is very likely to be considered to be 'off-topic' " box on your reply is automatically checked (and your post gets 5 OTs) - but you can still un-check it.

".... logically an OT against an OT cancels out and puts the reply back on topic" - what the hell kind of logic do you use? .

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JohnDG.

Humour based on Goon logic. Like 3 people going into an empty room, and 4 people leave. It will be empty again when the next person enters.

Or, 12 people enter a building. None leave. After 1 hour there is not a single person in it. What sort of building is it?

Answer: deirram tog lla yeht ,hcruhc A (read it backwards)

Or, why is a chicken? Ans: Because one of it's eggs are both the same.

Or, how many CR4 people remain after this response.

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02/24/2015 3:03 AM

"... how many CR4 people remain after this response"- must be plenty of 'em. Cyberspace is echoing with their groans.

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".... logically an OT against an OT cancels out and puts the reply back on topic" - what the hell kind of logic do you use? Fuzzy logic.

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After reading this discussion topic, I have analysed this issue at various angles. There are various reasons for a participant's absence from various internet forums including CR4.The major reasons are,

1. Sudden failure of laptop/palmtop/desktop/smart phones.

2. Poor internet connectivity to open CR4.

3. No internet connection due to terrain condition.

4. Got new job under a strict boss.

5. Heavy workload.

6. Sudden change of company policy on internet usage during working hours.

7. Relocation due to marriage.

8. Relocation due to natural calamities.

9. Relocation due to new job.

10. More time required to spend with family and friends.

11. Internet connection has disconnected due to anti national activities.

12. On a long travel including adventurous trip, pilgrimage etc.

13. Objectives are achieved.

14. Lack of interest due to various reasons.

15. Found another much better forum for discussion.

16. Lost in a dense forest.

17. Not battle hardened to handle bullies in CR4

18. In Jail.

19. Sick.

20. Injured

21. Kidnapped

22. Passed away.

Above mentioned list is not complete. I just prepared it based on points suddenly came in to my mind.

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I gave a GA just because i want to see an anonymous in the high GA list.

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12/31/2014 4:13 AM

OK guys,it is time I 'fessed up.

I was hooked on placebos and they had to put me on real medication to get me off

the hook.

I guess it all goes back to my childhood.

I was an ugly kid.

Mom used to put me in the corner and feed me with a sling shot.

Dad had to get her drunk so I could breast feed.

I had to stay at home and trick or treat by telephone.

And you ain't heard the half of it.

So don't tell me your problems..I've got enough of my own!

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Beautiful!! Sorry, I meant UGLY!!!

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12/31/2014 5:41 AM

Going back to Kris's OP, I would like to know the names to which he alludes. (I think it coy not to specify.)

As for me, I miss Galel Halim Galala, who was our best pressure vessel expert, as well as knowledgeable on piping. M Samad has not posted much recently, and was one of our best electrical power distribution engineers. Ky was a delightful artist, and strongly humanitarian. ChrisG288 produced so many excellent drafting graphics.

These are just a few friends from whom we have not heard in a while. It would be great to hear from them again.

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I haven't seen any posts from Rose or Sue in a long time.

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English Rose is lurking, but has little time for posting (or reading posts, for that matter). I believe Sue lurks, but very rarely posts. She is well.

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12/31/2014 6:14 AM

In the past I posted a lot more than today, and yes, I looked for other engineering forums.

What me stops are comments like:

- don't you know how to use GOOGLE ?

- are you to lazy and to stupid to search the internet ?

- are you mad, have you no sense of responsibility if you want to try this or that?

Of course I know how to google, and surely I have searched and researched the internet. But if I have a problem, I want a quick answer, and finding the answer on google is a lot faster than waiting for an answer here on the forum …

Secondly in most cases google gives me hundreds of answers, so I can't see the trees in the wood. Which is the right / best answer, and that's the reason I ask the question here again. Not because I'm to lazy to search.

Finally if I want to dye my hair black and brown by means of putting my two fingers in the power outlet, than I'm happy if someone tells me it's dangerous. But I don't want to read twenty times that I'm an irresponsible fool.

I come here to get good advice for free and in return I will shear my knowledge if I can. It is not because I can't pay a professional to do the job, but it's because I want to have some background information, to prevent the professional selling me apples in stead of pears.

Dear members, thanks for shearing your knowledge and my best wishes for the new year.

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I give you a GA. This is a forum to provide assistance to those struggling for answers. I believe that too often replies such as those listed above are piled on to potential new members to the forum.

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Some Senior members need to be polite to young members who some time post silly questions. Even if these questions may be home work questions and if Seniors do not like to reply, then they should simply keep quiet instead of making above remarks. These young engrs are likely to become future engineers so let us not frustrate them. I hope all will agree with me.

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12/31/2014 1:09 PM

What's the line from the chief heart surgeon (Dr. Mark Craig) from the TV series Saint Elsewhere?

I'll have to paraphrase it, "New residents are like throw rugs. They deserve to be stepped on and occasionally beaten."

While no one should be simply beaten down for no reason at all, there are times when some people do need that kick in the butt to straighten them out.

It is not always easy to tell when someone really deserves that discipline on an internet forum, but if we treat everyone as 'always right flower children' we will soon be overcome by a society of lazy idiots.

The only thing worse than that are lazy idiotic engineers.

The bottom line is that the peer review process is not for the faint of heart and if someone wants to be a success in the field of engineering they would be wise to not take criticism so personally. Reality is not all daisies and sunshine.

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12/31/2014 1:32 PM

An associate of mine, an EE, Vick Johansen used to say, " If the truth hurts, maybe it should."

This forum is FAR more civil than many internet forums and far more informative than most.

People come and go for many reasons. Some may leave because some members may not want to coddle and spoon feed them rudimentary information. That does in no way prevent other members from indulging the helpless ones.

Anyone who pays attention will realize that the opinions given by members are as diverse as the Google search. People still have to decide what is credible and what is not.

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12/31/2014 1:45 PM

I'll try to help anyone as long as they are willing to try to help themselves.

I have a clear record of that on this forum.

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12/31/2014 2:57 PM

That disqualifies about 95% of the current crop of anonymous posters and many registered posters, as well.

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12/31/2014 8:18 PM

You once gave a person with a Cavalier a link to a Cavalier forum telling them that this is not the correct forum for them. I followed that link and saw pages and pages of rubbish. The help given by both yourself and others on CR4 was mostly of good quality. Of course the banter was there, after all it was a Cavalier. I read all posts with Cavalier in the title even though there are no Cavaliers here. ( I know, I am wrong. Put me out of my misery... Tell me.. ).

Because of the "harshness" I do always do a Google search myself before posting, just in case. ( I haven't looked for Cavaliers in Oz. Making me a liar )I guess that means I have been taught a valuable lesson as there was a time I called Google and Wiki " Mugs Manuals". Maybe the forums such as the Cavalier forum are accurately described as Mugs Manuals. There are a lot in the medical areas as well. Conversely one can also access serious journals. The serious journals take a lot of time to condense to a digestible bite size whereas the mugs manuals have people on there who have already done this. At least that is the assumption, and we all know about assumptions. CR4 is somewhere in between. There are experts who could WRITE the articles in the serious journals ( and probably have ) who are willing to offer help and THAT is why I come here, as well as for the fun. I often provide 'bait' to entice some fun but don't get many bites. Are posters being way too serious? More fun please.

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12/31/2014 1:36 PM

I've worked in businesses that take that approach. Nowadays, the HR department steps in and explains what "harrassment" means.

It isn't that hard to politely explain (what you perceive) is the wrong way.

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01/02/2015 3:09 PM

GA. I don't believe in mollycoddling.

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01/01/2015 10:30 PM

Oh, in West point, there 's always this seniority and superiority.

I believe others cant get over that easy yet.

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