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What would be your best choice for a survival weapon?

06/30/2008 10:50 PM

I'm not a real survivalist or anything, but I do keep my backpacking and survival gear ready to go out the door at a moments notice, with enough food for a few days.

So, something really big happens, ( like a Katrina in Massachusetts ), and I don't feel safe in my home. I deem it necessary to fade into the woods, for a while. I don my gear, and unlock the gun cabinet. What do I take. How about the Ruger Mini 14 in stainless, or perhaps the Winchester Model 94, totally dependable, but their ammunition is heavy. I'm thinking the Ruger 10-22, I can carry 1000 rounds easily, good for getting dinner. Then my Colt 45 for protection.

What would you take? Or perhaps, what you would like to see in weapon designed for this purpose?

I've grown tired of all this free energy and China stuff. It's like banging your head against the wall. It's time to move on. And this might really happen someday!

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07/03/2008 5:05 PM

Use the CR4 search fuction to find Blink's 'Axe'. Very cools, but perhaps not much use in a survival situation ( althogh I'd be happy to stand corrected). A guy needs some wheels.

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07/03/2008 3:00 PM

I was thinking and someone probably already mentioned this, but your most useful weapon that would also double as an essential tool that will come in handy almost all the time is having a good knife. One like Rambo had. Basically with serrated edge for sawing on one side and sharp edge on the other and big enough so you don't wear yourself out too quickly.

It would also cut down on what you would have to carry on your person.

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07/04/2008 1:52 PM

In the vein of most utility for lb. carried, take a look at the RMJ tactical tomahawk. http://www.rmjforge.com/Tactical%20Tomahawks.htm

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07/04/2008 2:59 PM

Cool, but on the on the other hand a different type might be useful;

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07/07/2008 1:20 PM

I would take a 12 gauge shotgun, with a mix of #4 and 00 shots. I would get shells from different suppliers so you could have green shells for #4 and red for 00 or whatever. Use #4 for birds and 00 for deer or in extreme two legged animals. I read somewhere that a shotgun is the best thing to have in a firefight. While it does not have the range of a rifle, what you hit with it stays down... no sleepers.

Others will disagree with me but lets see.

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07/07/2008 1:50 PM

My only point of disagreement is that I chose a .410 vs a 12 ga. due to lighter weight and the ability to carry many more reloads. It's not that much less gun, and if you're in any range at all, it will be effective enough. Aim is far less critical, which can be a deciding factor, and really all you need is the ability to get away from, not the ability to bury, what you shoot. While if it's used as a dining enhancement tool, it's big enough for what you are most likely to encounter at the distances most likely to occur. Besides, a BAR is wonderful, but impractical for a solo operation.

(This might be nice, tho'!)

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07/07/2008 4:12 PM

.410 Lakefield with rifled barrel and .405 Win. ammo....best single shot survival gun. It'll drop a moose at a hundred yards + and put partridge in the frying pan.

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07/08/2008 1:08 AM

I would take the Ruger 10-22 with the telescope and the Ruger .22 pistol since they both use the same ammo. A dozen boxes of ammo doesn't weigh much. A fishing rod and a small box of tackle would get food silently. Several butane lighters in a Zip-lock bag with some tinder. A space blanket, a regular blanket, a towel, soap, TP, a canteen, a small bottle of Clorox or some other water treatment, an Army mess kit, a trowel or small shovel, a compass and a map, one change of clothing to match the weather, a heavy plastic sheet that will serve as groundcloth and half-shelter, rope, some emergency food and a first-aid kit. I would also have to take my meds with me and hope that everything settled down before I ran out of them and died.

The next problem is getting the wife to do the same. She could help carry some stuff, and we could share some items, but she's not much for roughing it. Those here with children would have a harder time, mostly with the wives, in taking the family into the woods with them.

Bricktop - It sounds like you are single.

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07/08/2008 7:21 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it (so to speak), but I didn't see mention of your stone knife. Or will you rely on knapping a new one as needed?

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Not to put too fine a point on your knapping proposal but I thought that I'd mention that I'll be sitting comfortably on my sailboat watching the survivalists degrade into rabid canniballistic tribes as the powder and game runs out. It should prove to be quite entertaining while I dine on fresh salmon and halibut....lobster, oysters etc........ When I run out've wine I'll sail over to France and get some more.

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There's a lot to be said for SOME of the old ways, eh?

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Ya man............it has a way of grounding a soul...........Georgian Bay, north shore.

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LOL !

If it ever happens, post a message. I'll be the idiot dude hoping to join you, swimming mid-channel. I'd even put up with Enviroman knapping his flints.

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Yeah, but then we'd have to feed the bugger...............

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....not if he knapped enough. 'Prairie Oysters' would seem like a pleasure by comparison. I'd be dead from laughing, so you can flambe them for yourself.

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Not me, you wouldn't! I'm pretty dang good at feeding myself, but thanks for the offer...

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... you'd flame your own ...? ROFLMAO. Where is Vermin when ya need one. Oh no, I suddenly feel sick.

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I see what you mean - the concept of "ownership" gets a bit murky, don't it? I guess after I catch 'em, they'd be mine though... No worries for you, skwirrels have extremely small ones as I recall! "I say, whose nuts are these, then?"

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I have no idea what these are !

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Mountain oysters on the half-shell, perhaps?

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One of us needs therapy ! You do 1/2, I'll do the other 3/4.

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Sounds like a fair share to me, Mate!

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Ye both just lost yer allotment of Brownie points with those posts.

No nutcases on my boat.

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OK, OK, we'll share - you can have the other third! Can't he, Kris? Can we sail wi' ye now, huh? Huh? Can we? Can we? Huh? Purty puh-leeezzze?!?

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What do ya mean ? There's only 25 % left, and we need 2/3 to keep vermin calm !I''d prefer the left leg, but am amenable to share. You is both 'mericans', so you can have first slice;Just don't laugh too bad when I do. Sorry vermin, but someone has to sacrifice.

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I'm startin' to think it's your therapy that needs some math skills (or is it the other way 'round?).

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On the other hand I would propose dining on those who managed to score 'good answers' in this post.

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07/08/2008 6:58 PM

OK, it's you. 'Duck' we can use the terms. I'll use vermin for bait.Pillls are round.Except tha erianglar purple ones.

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Well I'll be.........it's making a bit of sense now........If Vermin is agreeable I suppose an edible figurehead might be the civilized way to go.

You both realize that you'll be swabbing the deck clean afterwards AND carving a new leg for the fellow.

I'll supply the wine. Red?

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We have something called " Blue Nun". I really couldn't explain.

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Nun in the morning.... nun at night?

With some triangular pills maybe?

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Forgive my late arrival. I was at the train station and missed the ferry while waiting on the #7 bus.

So when you duckinthepond don't you get water in your ears?

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Hey Texas....................! What kind of ferry was it that you were getting on?

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The pilot looked as such:

A mysterious dude. Ranting of monkeys and such.

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How Ghastly........the Yanks have kidnapped my uncle and have him chained to the fairy wheel!

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07/09/2008 8:19 AM

http://www.chumfm.com/MorningShow/bits/march24.swf

Totally off topic but I thought you'd get a laugh out of this. Turn speakers on.

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Oh, Lordy! ROFLMSAO!!! Great - thanks! Not so off topic though, those li'l ol' ladies had their survival weapons chosen!

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07/09/2008 12:30 PM

This had the entire city of Toronto laughing for weeks.................It actually caused early morning traffic jams.

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ROFL ! The way that guy just watches and describes is brilliant.

Can't figure out how ya get 4 old ladies in one of these ;

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That's the old model. We have newer ones...

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Best guess...

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Hillary Clinton?

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If so, many, many years ago...

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You lot are gonna kill me laughing whatever ! Can't think of a better way. Loves ya all.

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That's all right fer YOU - yer uncle ain't been kidnapped by us Yanks, now has he?!?

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Ok Ok.......I lied.......he wasn't kidnapped by Yanks. He attended the Ottawa political science seminary and because of a speech impediment they dipped him in the tar sands and made a gargoyle out've him.

Blaming the Yanks only accomodates tradition.

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"...because of a speech impediment..."

Guess he shoulda' gargoyled with this instead...

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Ever seen "South Park" ? I don't know why you haven't nuked 'em, or at least said "we want Alaska, it's nearer to us". 'verbal America bashing' is a Brit sport. Funny thing is, we end up copying them, usually 2 years later.

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07/09/2008 12:13 PM

"...we end up copying them..."

Right! The way Steptoe and Son was modeled after Sanford and Son...no, wait, that was the other way 'round. Hmmm...so what HAVE y'all copped from us? Back in the '60's it was "the British invasion" of everything from Carnaby Street to the Beatles, Twiggy to Tiny Tim, James Bond to what have ye. I'm hard pressed to know ('specially not being there) what things American you might have copied. Certainly not our good looks...

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07/09/2008 12:15 PM

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07/09/2008 12:20 PM

Remember H. Salt? 'fraid we copped that, too...

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07/09/2008 1:26 PM

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07/09/2008 12:30 PM

Crime rates.

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07/09/2008 12:41 PM

Oh, sure, copy all the good stuff! Sleazers...

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I've always believed there's a way of insulting someone the effect of which makes them laugh at themselves. Unfortunately the latest round of Yank bashing here in Canada is crass and highly offensive to the citizens of the US. Most of it is theatre created to get ratings within the Canadian media. On the other side of that coin I believe Canadians who engage in that type of rubbish are over-compensating for their own lack of character and political moxy.

One example is Canadian vacationers in Florida who fly the Canadian flag on US soil. That in itself is a declaration of war. In this days reality it is an indicator of a lack of protocol and ignorance on the part of those Canadians who do that. Furthermore, it is the right of any US citizen to remove the flagpole of the offending party. It hasn't happened yet and I'm impressed the Yanks allow it to go on.

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07/09/2008 12:33 PM

GA ! I agree with you. No offences was intended.

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07/09/2008 12:42 PM

I just wrote that in case any of 'em started to sulk. They get downright mopy when they're like that and start voting.

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07/09/2008 12:34 PM

On the other hand we did bash them in the war of 1812 AND burned down the White House (Just a log cabin at the time painted white).

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07/09/2008 12:43 PM

AND filled Louisiana with Cajuns, I hasten to add... A fair trade.

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07/09/2008 12:55 PM

We lost the best chefs on this continent with that stupidity....not to mention the culture.

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07/09/2008 1:38 PM

No pity! (You ain't gettin' Emeril back, not no how, not no way...)

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07/09/2008 2:35 PM

How 'bout tradin' some tar sands crude for the fellow?

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07/09/2008 3:04 PM

Nah, we gots oil shale... You can have my share of Martha Stewart gratis though...

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I'd LIKE to believe it's because we think it's cute.

I'm afraid I have to think it's because most of us Americans are ignorant of proper flag protocols.

I guarantee I was not personally aware of any overt animosity. I have friends who are from Canada, and they don't demonstrate any hostility. (For that matter, neither do you...)

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Spent time sailing into differrent ports around the globe. Discovered that it's good manners to fly ones' own flag alongside that of the nation one is visiting (it's also correct protocol). In many cases it helps break the edge with the national authorities.

To fly ones' own national flag on another nations soil is ok if one also flies the host nations flag. However, one's own flag has to be slightly lower.

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07/09/2008 3:08 PM

Except the US flag code specifies that our ensign is never to be flown lower than any other (and manners be damned, I guess...). Oh, well, for what it's worth...I DO take a bit of pride in 'er!

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07/09/2008 3:33 PM

That is correct protocol for boats and ships because it signifies point of origin and nationality. Unless one has express permission (invited military compounds on foreign soil for example) it cannot be flown higher than the host nations flag if one is on their soil....except on embassy territory.

My neighbour took pride in flying the Ca flag while in Ft. Lauderdale until somebody yanked his flagpole out. He's an arrogant idiot at the best of times and got no sympathy from me.

What flames me is that there was a radio station here that urged people to do this.

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07/09/2008 3:39 PM

Hmph! Give 'em THIS Florida (formerly, anyway) flag to fly from me then, eh?

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That's my neighbours 81 yr. old mother shovelling the drive (18" snow) last winter. That's his truck parked at the foot of the drive. He doesn't take her to Florida. He's never mowed the lawn.

Just to give you an idea of who these people are...............yep, you guessed it! We got 'em too!

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Well, to his credit, at least he left his truck for her to drive... Bloody cretin! I'd offer to keelhaul him fer ya, but Ft.L. is way over on the 'Lantic coast, and I don't like to go there that much...

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07/09/2008 4:46 PM

It was plenty good then....freakin' social "evolution".

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"at least he left his truck for her to drive"

She doesn't drive.

Personally I've never seen or imagined anything of this nature. Senior abuse on a level that can't be prosecuted.

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She doesn't drive, therefore needed to shovel a foot and a half of snow out of the driveway because..._______ (fill in the blank). Maybe mental insensitivity runs in the family. But he still oughta be keelhauled, the blighter!

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needed to shovel a foot and a half of snow out of the driveway because..._______ after having the neighbourhood (myself included) do it for her without any offer of compensation or thanks it was decided enough is enough. She has three sons and eight grown grandsons all within a ten minute drive....a cop, a customs officer and a gas utility repairman...and all of whom are a study in one form of pathology or another.

The cop, by the way, attempted to hose off a climber (The Human Fly) from the 30th story of an office tower. It was filmed and the entire city of Toronto wanted him lynched. He is now a detective and makes 80k.

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?!?!?! And here's me thinking OUR society rewarded stupidity too richly! Well, if she couldn't even muster a thanky-kindly for a neighbor clearing the drive, maybe the boys come by their boorishness rightly. Guess it could be a heritable trait, certainly can be a learned one! I ain't sayin' they don't deserve a hiding, but I'm losing sympathy for the old lady rapidly...

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You're absolutely right on the mark. I suspect the trait goes back to an Australopithecine era........though I might be doing Australopithecus a disservice here.

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And why some of Abner Ugg's neighbors couldn't have been pissy little whiney babies I cannot imagine. Why else would we have developed the trait of conducting war?

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07/09/2008 5:22 PM

Flying foreign flags can and will lead to this sort of action! Nothing like a vet with his K BAR! Hoorah!

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As a citizen he's well within his rights but I have to wonder whether this could have been solved without such anger. Had he explained the correct protocol perhaps the Mexican fellow would have understood.

A bit quick on the draw I'd say.

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Pretty dull K-Bar. I can still shave with my old army knife.

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HooRah! Indeed!

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Yo Texas............the Mexican did state he was unaware of the protocol....understandable, no? He is, after all, an American citizen.

The vet merely accomodated his own rage. Not much of a Hurrah given that it could have been settled amicably. Unfortunately the diplomatic possibility has become even more complex given the 'shoot first, ask questions later' attitude.

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And yet you seemed (correct me if mistaken) to think it quite right that the Floridian uprooted your boorish neighbor's boorish son's flagpole... How diplomatic that was!

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He was asked for four years to comply.

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Arrrr! Keelhaul the rotter!

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Good Stuff.

Could we ply her with wine... warm her up... and make her forget her bad habits??

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Vermin (our vermin) don't got legs, but probably could be used for the swab. I presume there's a "where to put the handle"...

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Yeah ok...but what if it goes bald?

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???Don't know if that's even possible...??? Can pocket lint go bald? Sometimes it can glow in the dark - handy as a nightlight I suppose...

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Classic Brit joke from " Only Fools and Horses"; A guy known as 'Trigger' is a road-sweeper. " I've had this broom for 20 years" he tells his stunned mates. " In that time it's had 14 new heads, and 5 new handles"

This may be 'Off-Topic', but hey, a broom could be a weapon. Inserted in vermin's **** it would be ! I ain't volunteering to try it.

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I suppose one could use the handle pneumaticallyand use vermin as a ballistic....

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hello;stumbled into this site.it seems most of these people [i do not mean to insult anyone]haven't had to do much except from the arm chair,your info is good,but one could always get better,if you haven't had to survive,than it would be hard to know,i've learned how to do this because i've been in a situration where i had to-i see no one has mentioned a flare pen-not gun,in an emc.you could use a 22cal.bullet if you had to,thankyou

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The US of A.

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If only one weapon: a ruger 10/22mag, and as many bricks of hollow points as practical.

If more weapons: My 300 Weatherby mag and my reloading gear; 10mm mag and a Good 308, for gov loads, 30-06 (ammo easy to find and I have dies)

And if possible my forge, anvil, etc. Coal or charcoal and scrap steal makes knives and axes etc. for trade and opportunity.

Without a analytical, tactical mind they are all useless.

Would like a solar powered rugged PC with extra parts and DVD backups (take a semi truck for all the reference books)

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I do wish I had stumbled upon this discussion sooner, but just in case anyone is still listening...

For a single weapon, I would take a Sharps in .45-110 and maybe a couple hundred rounds. With a paper-patched cast lead bullet, this thing is accurate to a thousand yards if you can shoot that well, and a 500 grain bullet arrives with incredible authority. The rifle is adequate for anything from critters to an elephant, and that includes two-legged predators, the most dangerous of all. It's an extremely rugged design, and not too difficult to repair with the simplest tools if you have to. Further, reloads are easy to make, though one might wish to stash a few thousand primers as those are a pain in the butt to make, and you can cast your own bullets and make your own black powder. IMHO, this is just the ideal weapon to put meat in the pot and discourage rude strangers.

Beyond that, an excellent knife and hatchet. Given those three things and the skills and inclination to use them, a man could survive in the wilderness quite easily, and even provide for a family. An axe would be nice to have but is a bit awkward to have to carry if you are going to be on the move a lot. Maybe a few files, some super-braid fishing line and some hooks, stuff you could easily carry in your pockets if you had to. Keep it simple.

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