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Spider's Web

11/17/2008 4:40 PM

The silk material of a Spider's web is very strong...how can we harvest it?
I think it would make a very good backing for a bow as it is very strong in tension.
Could well be better than carbon fibre...

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Re: Spider's Web

11/17/2008 5:00 PM

Do the rewiring on council houses! Under the floors there's an industry just waiting to be tapped!

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11/17/2008 5:42 PM

Del,

There have been several attempts at both trying to duplicate the fibres and trying to harvest what is produced in nature..(Spider Farms).

The results from the chemistry lab that I saw on Discovery Channel" where funny to say the least, they got either "goo" as in the technical term or very weak polymer strands which had all the strength of "Silly String"...

The Spider farms didn't go that well as all the spiders with silk strong enough to use had this tendancy to harvest each other and only the four left (one in each corner) produced anything.

Apparently the secret is in how spiders weave the strands to produce the stregth we are after, but they aint tellin'.

The military wanted it for bullet proof vests, super light, super strong.

One last bit of trivia. Natives from Papua New Guinea (from memory) have used the silk from Bird Catching spiders for Bow strings.

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11/18/2008 2:41 AM

Natives from Papua New Guinea (from memory) have used the silk from Bird Catching spiders for Bow strings.

Hey that's not TRIVIA

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11/18/2008 4:06 AM

I once drove my car into a bird catching spiders web. The resistance was quite noticeable.

I would think it would make an excellent bow string.

Although the spider venom is very toxic, there is no record of a human fatality from a bite. It is thought that the spiders take one look at a human and decide "too big to eat, save the venom" and leave us alone.

Just as well, they're big, ugly beasts!
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11/17/2008 6:06 PM

I think that spider's web is sticky, so it will adhere on your hands, cloth, or on anything that you touch. Bah!

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11/17/2008 6:19 PM

First get a Golden Orb spider. Then tether a cat...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061030183133.htm

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Now Thats a really cool link..

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11/17/2008 8:07 PM

Hello Del the catTo harvest spider silk is going to mean we will have to domesticate the spiders, in a manner similar to the honeybee "domestication" centuries ago.Unfortunately the habits of almost all spiders are against any easy domestication, as the general rule is the larger spider eats any smaller or less aggressive spiders in the same container.Spiders are not a cooperative as the silkworm, who are easily manipulated although not actually domesticated, and do not bite people, either.Spider silk was commonly used throughout the Pacific areas, to assist in catching fish, refer: http://www.naturia.per.sg/buloh/inverts/nephila.htmA pair of recent pictures taken in Queensland, Australia, shows that the spider-webs can be immensely strong.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3353693/Giant-spider-eating-a-bird-caught-on-camera.html

I must confess that I admire the superb engineering design of spiders, although like most people, (It seems to be instinctive, as with snakes) I do not actually like them.

There are several types of spider web, the one needed to use as bow-strings and the like, is the type which has no "sticky blobs" on it, the type of web used for the initial framework of a web.

At the right is a picture of near Mount Everest, Luks snakes caught in spiders web.

I have not been able to establish the actual size of those snakes, but the web looks like a large one, and some species of spiders do co-operate in building a community type web and then all share in the catch.

For use as a bowstring, the spider silk would need to be twisted together, since as is with other mono-filament fibres, once the surface is nicked or scratched, the filament strength drops markedly at that point, and failure may occur suddenly, not something desired in a bowstring, of course.

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11/17/2008 8:28 PM

Hi Del.

Tensile strength is not so much to brag about but the 10o resilience and high breaking strain % should make the cat purr.

Table I. Average Values of Mechanical Properties of Silk Fibers and High-Performance Synthetic Fibers

Fiber Type

Density (g/cm3)

Modulus of Elasticity E (GPa)

Tensile Strength σR (GPa)

Breaking Strain εR (%)

Resilience (MJ/m3)

Spider Silk
Argiope trifasciata 1.3 1-10 1.2 30 100
Nephila clavipes 1.3 1-10 1.8 30 130
Silkworm silk
Bombyx mori 1.3 5 0.6 12 50
Nylon 6.6 1.1 5 0.9 18 80
Kevlar 49 1.4 130 3.6 3 50
PBO 1.6 270 5.8 3 70
Steel 7.8 200 3.0 2 6

table is from: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0502/Elices-0502.html; great references here too.

The following MIT paper points out it doesnot compress well transversely- sonot crushing the fibers with the arrow when pullling back could be problematic:

http://web.mit.edu/course/3/3.064/www/slides/Ko_spider_silk.pdf

A couple other sources of data:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080221100539.htm

http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v4/n12/abs/nmat1534.html

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11/18/2008 2:34 PM

Milo,

You don't mess around, do you? Most impressive.

I hope I can count on you in an emergency, since as school starts on Dec. 1. I'm re-training in Networking at ITT-Tech. I'm trying build a web over here to catch me if I fall and haul me back up.

I thought they used silk in Kevlar: or am I thinking of Silkworm Silk rather than Spider silk, which has twice the protective qualities of Silkworm Silk, which is what your chart clearly shows?

How much private room does a spider need in order to produce a web in captivity? I saw the photo of the Bird-Catching Spider web, except that it had caught snakes. The communal spiders didn't seem to mind. Can we produce the correct environment to be able to efficiently harvest their webs?

What is the population density: web production for colonies of Bird-Catching Spiders, seeing as they seem to produce more than enough silk.

I recall one odd fact about certain spider silk. Spiders silk is a complex protein created thought the spider's body, but that undergoes a chemical transformation at the site of the spinnerets, behind the abdomen.

Some spiders build a new web daily, and then 'take them down' and reabsorb the silk to make the next web. Other, more exotic species, like the Bird-Catchers, will wait until the web is somewhat fouled before the reconstruct.

The biggest problem is that all of the arachnids prefer live prey. That means we have to feed these ugly, little critters lab rats and Guinea pigs. Still, what is cost cost of a human life?

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11/19/2008 8:31 PM

You said:

"That means we have to feed these ugly, little critters lab rats and Guinea pigs."

Again I disagree. PETA will sue. Lawyers, on the other hand, are suitable prey, and do not have a professional courtesy agreement with spiders like they do with snakes.

HA!

All of us here on CR4 will be pulling for you as you return to your studies.

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11/20/2008 12:42 PM

"...Lawyers, on the other hand, are suitable prey..."

I'm not so sure about that - a spider would have to be near starvation to suck the juice out of a lawyer...

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11/17/2008 10:19 PM

Spider silk is incredible stuff and far superior to anything we currently have in the way of super tensile and/or super-elastically (is that a word) man-made fibres.

Two methods still currently being worked on last time i checked (which was a few years ago now)

(1) Natural harvesting. Slow and slightly scary as lots of spiders needed.

(2) Artificial creation. The most promising was "BioSteel". Dow-Corning were working with others to grow spider silk inside the mammary glands of goats (no I am not joking). It came out as a natural spider silk sludge that was drawn into a superstrong filament. I did a business study on it back around 2000 and it looked REALLY promising. I haven't heard anything recently, but that is probably because I haven't been looking.

Some abstracts below....

"Nexia Biotechnologies (Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC) - which produces BioSteel®, a spider silk protein produced within its transgenic BELE® (Breed Early, Lactate Early) goat system.

Nexia's patented technology allows them to insert the gene for producing spider silk into a goat's mammary gland cells. Nexia is focussing on two medical device markets: wound closure systems (e.g. sutures, patches and glues), and ligament prosthetic devices. Another application area is industrial fibres including fishing line and soft body armour protection for military and law enforcement personnel."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_silk

Plenty more on the web. Google "goat gland spider silk dow corning" or similar for more info.

As far as I am aware commercial products such as spider silk helmets and partial armour WERE produced but not in any large quantities that I am aware of (I don't rember if the silk was natural or artificial). They were superior to Kevlar, but I still think mass production is an issue.

For more information, consult your local goat's mammary glands today!

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11/17/2008 11:59 PM

now a days spider's web is used for making bullet proof material as per its size it is strongest . it is difficult for an induviual to cultivate the spinder web it requires high level resarch . the web cell of spider from spider's DNA

is mixed with the milk cell of cow then the milk is dried and the web of spider is cultivated

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11/18/2008 12:17 AM

Del,

Since it is agreed that Spiders are a trifle difficult to farm, what about Green Ants. Adult green ants hold leaf edges together and other adults bring larvae (could be pupae) from the nursery and stimulate them to make silk which they use to hold the nest together.
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11/18/2008 12:49 AM

Hi,

there are minimum 7 different types of spider silk mixed or not for different tasks.

Sticky, super-ductile, super-strength, hygroscopic, ?,?,?

So first would be necessary to grow a super-spider with the products of the different spin-glands to be separated and production switches installed what to produce.

Ancient Egyptian high ranking women had dresses made from spider-silk.

Only those made ultrafine were considered best: proof was the possibility to draw the dress through the finger-ring of the proud woman.

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11/18/2008 1:16 AM

An ancient Egyptian high ranking woman in a spidersilk dress that is an image i want to see

but producing superspiders? the way they handled the bees in south America we will soon have an "arachnophobia" or "eight legged freaks" on our hands.

producing it chemically by an artificial spinster would be most desirable

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11/18/2008 5:07 AM

"An ancient Egyptian high ranking woman in a spidersilk dress that is an image i want to see"

Hi Epke,

there was a poster - if my memory is right it was distributed by SciAm at the 200th anniversary of the US constitution - showing such a "dressed" noblewoman from a painting in a second period grave.

You had to look twice to detect that she wore something.

Unfortunately I had this poster in my office for years until the sun bleached the colors too much.

May be you can get it from their archieve.

Else to search all Egyptian literature and museums would be fine but when to finish?

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11/18/2008 9:53 PM

Thanks for the hint, i have seen lots of egyptian lore

but i meant in real life

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I hope Versace is reading this...................!

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11/18/2008 2:21 AM

it is much more stronger than carbon fibre

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11/18/2008 4:52 AM

Actually, carbon fibre is about 4.5 times stronger to failure than spider silk. But this is nothing to carbon nanotubes which have a tensile strength over 10 times higher than ordinary carbon fibre. A strand of carbon nanotubes 1 square millimetre in cross section would be able to support a weight of 6,200 kg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength

This strength may be handy for applications such as the space elevator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator as a carbon nanotube fibre thousands of kilometres long can support its own weight without breaking. By comparison, any steel fibre over about 5 km long would break under its own weight, and a spider silk fibre might would run into trouble above about 100 km.

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11/18/2008 2:48 AM

GAs from everybody...
I'm still wondering why spider's need bullet proof vests...I'll have to re-read that post maybe
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11/18/2008 12:47 PM

Perhaps they read the posts here regard people's ideas of trying to enslave them for the purposes of harvesting their precious silk, after all we all know that spiders are constantly on the web.

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11/18/2008 4:44 AM

On the transgenic goat front: I believe that although they managed to harvest loads of protein they never managed to discover the trick of spinning it the way spiders do. By that time the US military were heavily involved and realised that the main researcher would be better employed creating goats which could produce a "vaccine" against nerve poisons (all from memory: not very good now).

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11/18/2008 6:30 AM

Del open Spider farm and collect them. See that Cat does'nt eat all of them..

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11/18/2008 9:50 AM

Del, good morning.

There has been a lot of activity re the composition and structure of spider silk recently. You might try contacting the Commercial Development people at MIT in Cambridge, MA, for info. I'm not sure what your flex requirements are, but carbon fiber may not be the best for that application, unless it's for the bow itself. You'd need a polymer matrix for the carbon fiber also, but I'm sure you're on top of that aspect.
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11/18/2008 9:58 AM

Here Del, what about using....................cats-gutz????

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11/18/2008 10:10 AM

Good Morning Gents,

Everyone is talking about the creepiness and unhandlability (not sure that's a word, but it works) of spiders. I have been in the process of collecting some invertebrates for classroom terrariums and have come to find that many spiders and scorpions and other creepy organisms are actually quite easy and safe to handle.

I suppose the real key is effective harvesting and handling of the fiber rather than raising the spiders themselves...and quantity.

Perhaps this is enough silk to do something with:

BTW, This is not terribly far from us and my father-in-law fishes at the nearby lake Tawakoni quite regularly!

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Tell your dad to be careful:-

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Actually, that looks more like tent caterpillars to me.

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That's what I thought, but the TPWD verified it to be spiders. Are you anywhere near there?

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11/18/2008 12:34 PM

Jackofalltrades beat me to the goat's milk concept, GA to him for that! And as another pointed out the trick is in the spinning. Silkworm silk should be an easier product to harvest, have you tried it?

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11/18/2008 5:33 PM

Weeeeell...I did get Mrs Cat a nice pair of silk pyjamas ...but I don't think I'd better harvest 'em .

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11/18/2008 7:07 PM

.........I would suggest a dozen or so glass enclosed micro treadmills and a winding spool. Depending on the palate of aforementioned spider species one can dangle a carrot, so to speak, and entice the creatures to let loose while chasing the imaginary carrot ( a computer screen showing a repeating loop of flies stuck on a web might be the ticket here).

This would have to be done repeatedly and the supply of spiders rotated as the silk glands become depleted.

Extra strands can be sold to a company specializing in rifle scopes.

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11/18/2008 8:33 PM

Ha, the The International Brotherhood of Spider's Union will hear about this! A spider strike, just what we need now.

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"People say believe half of what you see, son, and none of what you hear.- Whitfield and Strong"

Well, if they say that, obviously you can't believe them. :-)

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11/19/2008 6:55 AM

Isn't that the revenue branch of the civil service? Hopefully they can co-incide the looming strike by the time the deadline comes around.

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11/19/2008 11:56 AM

No, no, it's not a "looming" strike, it's a "spinning" strike! Please don't get the weavers upset now...

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11/19/2008 8:16 PM

Hi Del

I like the idea of cat gut for bow strings as we have to many feral cats here.

To put a different spin on the spiders web string thing, may be we don't need the spiders.

How about goats?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/889951.stm

http://considerthefuture.com/Genetics/GeneticsArticles/gen2_spider.html

http://www.abc.net.au/science/bernie/news/981016.htm

I don't have much time at the moment, work getting in the way, but have a read of the links. The idea of a biologically produced material that is as strong as steel and more flexible than spring steel or plastic is enough to set the mind racing.

Imagine a blacksmith sitting down with his wife who doubles as milk made to knit a suit of armour.

One silly question, does anyone know the flammability index for spiders web? It seems to burn well. Maybe that is the answer to the Spiderweb Bullet Proof Vest, BPV, just use the flame thrower in stead of bullets.

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11/20/2008 2:42 AM

Mmmmmm...silk milk
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11/20/2008 12:14 PM

It's just not the same - and I don't think it would reinforce a longbow very well...

Soymilk.

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11/20/2008 5:26 AM

You could build some stocks ;

"Civil War surgeon Burt G. Wilder tackled the challenge too, publishing a series of papers on his efforts between 1866 and 1873 in the Proceedings of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the Proceedings of the Boston Society of Natural History, and the Atlantic Monthly. Wilder built a device that resembled the stocks used to hold criminals in colonial New England. The stocks held spiders still while Wilder gently drew silk from their rear ends. He succeeded in extracting 150 yards frir rear ends. He succeeded in extracting 150 yards from one particularly cooperative arachnid, then calculated that it would take 5000 animals to retrieve enough material to make one dress."

"In 1830 the Society of Arts presented a silver medal to the inventor Daniel Rolt for a device consisting of a spool attached to an engine to harvest the spider silk. This invention reportedly wound 18,000 feet of silk from two dozen spiders in two hours"

Here's some kind of forced silking contaption ; http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content-nw/full/208/14/2633/FIG2

...and this looks familiar. But this guy is the man !

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11/20/2008 12:44 PM

I recall reading once that spider webbing has been used as a sort of gauze under bandages, too.

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There's various bit's on the web (ha !), like here, here, and here. In ye olde days, old crones with bags of 'erbs probably used spider silk. Natural spider silk seems a bit limited in potential use, due to their canibalistic tendancies, but synthesizing it may produce something. I've never seen one of those survival type dudes on TV use spider web dressings, there's probably better stuff.

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They may act macho, but I'll bet spiders make them shriek like schoolgirls...

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For sure !

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Ugly brutes, ain't they?!? Makes these look absolutely cute by comparison...

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Did you ever catch this one ; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DK3dX2FXXO8

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11/21/2008 4:03 AM

Christmas is coming.... I've just showed Mrs Cat the video...
Fingers crossed eh?
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hehe, this one might be more up your tree;

I think Christams is cancelled - Mr's K caught me rummaging her silk undies draw, and doesn't believe my explanations, "Spiders be damned, and that's no way to test tensile strength. Take them off. NOW !"

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Yeh pulling stuff over your head isn't a recognised test method .

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ksplurphhh!!

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Kris are you sure you never went to Bugis Street, Singapore...............that's the old one, not the Bugis Street of today!!!!!!!!!!!

These maybe not what they seem to be!!!!!!!!!

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PMSL - I have a funny story about a mate who 'pulled' out East. A slight variant on "can't see the wood for the trees".

On yer bike, mate.........

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Hey, Kris, this is good - http://www.eta.co.uk/Latest-green-car-is-made-from-bamboo/node/11364

It even looks a bit like a web so it's not totally off-topic, Kris.

Well, I dunno Kris.....

Oh go on....

Nah.....I'll leave it hidified for future use in one of those car-safety/eco threads.

Dammit Kris, pathetic word play won't justify on-topic...

Oh, OK then Kris.....It's time for coffee anyway......

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Certainly marches to the beat of a different drum, doesn't it?

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Maybe we can make a Farmer out of Del .

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It's apparently happened before...

http://www.dltk-teach.com/rhymes/farmer/song.htm

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Roll indeed! That was unfair...I wouldn't expect that from an honest doctor...a devil at a PC or a pesky squirrel maybe.
I shalln't trust you enough to ask about my gypy knee now.

Talking of wildlife..I saw a Goldcrest in the Yewtree outside the kitchen window thismorning...first one this year.

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honest doctor

My doc has enough pharmacrap on his desk to open a pound-shop. Mugs, pens, calanders, you name it. Then there's the holidays he probably enjoys after trialing new drugs.....blah blah blah....

Try golfing with the other arm - It may not help, but with two knackered knees you'll be balanced.

I saw a hubcap at the weekend ;

Ptolemy Elrington - check him out, very cool.

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Cool Owl.. I shall check out the guy later... wot no link ? You lazy Bas**** ..call yourself a Linkmeister? I remember when I was a...drifts off into rambling rant...
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hahahahaa ! Just tab over to google images and dong his name in, it's easier than waiting for specific web pages to open.(A rather excellent company gets a fair few hits, but don't tell anyone !shhhhh)

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Oh I'm exhausted now..I had to do multiple clicks...must...lie...down...<flump>

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I just have a cigarette or roll over.

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...........you stole my thunder with that.

As they say, "Great minds think alike"...................by the way.........who are "they"?

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"...who are "they"?..."

Depends on the context - could be the hoi polloi, could refer to the Great Faceless Voice Of Authority. It's not the same as "them". "Them" is giant ants - I know, I saw the movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047573/

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You mean something like this???

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Close enough...

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That is is only a little tacker (or weber)

This fella is a bit bigger

I don't know about eating birds...............he probably eats beens...........hoomanbeens

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11/21/2008 11:40 AM

Although spider silk is strong, there are other factors that may make spider silk unusable. It is sensitive to heat (fire). It fails if crushed or nicked. It may become brittle at low temperatures. It stretches a lot.

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I don't think that when Del will use a blow-torch when he fire his bow. Here is some more stuff (sorry if it's a repeat, folks) ; http://www.earthlife.net/chelicerata/silk.html

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Wot about flaming bolts from the Chinese repeating crossbow, then?

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Fired from a Rickshaw ?

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Funny story about a rickshaw:-

A mate and I decided to catch a rickshaw from HMS Tamar to the Star Ferry wharf in Hong Kong..........many years ago.

The old Chinaman was just jogging along and my mate says "Pssst. Hey "John," I've got something to show you" He backed his way down the shafts of the rickshaw. My mate then says "Hey "John,"!! You go faster."....with that he pulled this big, lifelike rubber snake out of his pocket and shook it in his face............with that the driver dropped the rickshaw and us and took off, down the road screaming.........fortunately we were very inebriated......we picked ourselves up off the road, not too worse for wear..........I slipped into the shafts of the rickshaw, mate in the back and carried on our adventure until detained by the local constabulary.

Everything eventually end up OK.

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LOL ! It would have made a great headline, "Hong Kong Rickshaw Shanghaied".

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..........with photos, I'm sure..........the powers that be would have loved it........not.

...........charged........again.............drunk and disorderly..........a disgrace to Herselfs' uniform, et al

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...mentioned in dispatches...

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.............or...........awarded the DCM.

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Great story..the moral is obvious...never be without you snake

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Touch'e

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Have to be careful it doesn't rickoshay... http://www.comicstripfan.com/newspaper/r/rickoshay.htm

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There has to be one in every crowd!!!!!!!

OR

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMQt7ARAqXs

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That's just dandy, but we know the truth ! Cow pie

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Pshaw - a Brit "wild west" comic? And Dan's birthplace is Dundee? Where's he wild westing, then, Wales? Cow pie, indeed! As noted, it means summat quite different here...

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No match for those fearless crusaders Enviroman!!!!!!!

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I'm surprised that no one has asked Peter Parker for his input.

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That's cos Robin Hood started the thread.............

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11/24/2008 10:10 AM

WOT!!

Do you mean to say that "you all" living over there in North America know about Robin Hood, his merry men, the Sheriff of Nottingham, Sherwood forest and "wot all"" ?????

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11/24/2008 10:15 AM

Little John, Allan A'Dale, Friar Tuck, the whole lot of 'em! You Betcha - we be highly eddykated fer colonials...

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11/24/2008 12:45 PM

And as Robin lay on his death bed he said,

'Bring forth my faithful bow...
I shall shoot one more time...
wheresoever doest my arrow fall... there...
shall.....I ....be laid...to ...
rest'

He summoned his last ounce of strength to draw the mighty bow...
and let fly...
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clonk...and they buried him in the wardrobe.
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11/24/2008 1:47 PM

Remember the song "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport"? An old stockman, lying, dying, said: "Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred, tan me hide when I'm dead...uuuhhh." So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that's it, hangin' on the shed!

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11/27/2008 6:53 AM

Remember the song "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport"?

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!........Oi.... Oi ....Oi

Here, what goes on EnviroMan? This is copyright stuff for Aussies use only..........it is unheard of.........Americans singing Aussie songs...........next thing you know "you all," will be wanting to sing Waltzing Matilda........this is a NO1 NO!........you compr'e.........eh........hombr'e ?????

Just a little bit of trivia, I heard the two above mentioned songs sung by a magnificent Australian soprano, Mirusia Louwerse (now there's a fine Australian name????). She is touring with Andre Rieu............top show it was, one of the best shows that I have seen........sorry........the best.

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11/27/2008 8:49 AM

Its only way to communicate with the walkabout Aussie one happens to chance onto given he speaks no known recognizable language. Much easier to break the communication barrier with a rendition of Waltzin Matilda .........gets' 'em all teary eyed and sing-songy like...........compass helps too. He he.........

Love to chat but am re-tooling for impending global financial/industrial collapse. Oddly, it's not affecting Australia....wonder why.........

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11/27/2008 9:17 AM

Hey Ducky............. who rattled your chain..............speak when spoken to, not before...........grrrrrrrr...........grrrrrrrrr............grrrrrrrr!

I bet that frightened hell out of you????...............get off my case Ducky!

See you in the soup..............duck soup.

That's a laugh.

Yes at the moment things aren't too bad in Oz............but.............give it time and I feel the proverbial will hit the fan..............it will be a case of, "Hello Miss Spic and Span, where were you when the shit hit the fan?"

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11/27/2008 9:25 AM

Talking about it hitting the fan............it did in Brisbane (the capital of Queensland) the other day.........good stuff.

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11/27/2008 10:34 AM

Sorry Mobi. Couldn't help meself. Mate is from Cape York and after working and talking with the bastard for 25 yrs I still don't know what he's on about.

Interesting your posting the pic. One of those storms buggered my mast off've Cape York....which is where aforementioned Yorkie took me in tow (during the storm). I couldn't believe how fast those storms develop. My wsg registered 60 knots...the wind was picking jellyfish out of the water and smashing them against the boat. Add to that the fast approaching reef off my port bow.....two terrified kids and wife....I think you get the picture.

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