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Do You Have a Pet Theory?

04/20/2009 10:14 PM

A "Pet Theory" is one that we cannot seem to let go of regardless or all peer reviews, critiques, or known facts.

I have at least one.

No matter what I am always on the lookout for any shred of information that might resurrect my pet.

What ideas, or theories do you find that somehow came into your brain house, and won't leave, no matter what?

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04/21/2009 12:49 PM

Typical engineer

ANY mathematician knows it isn't so

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04/22/2009 12:08 PM

Tell us just a one number between 1 and 0,9... (infinite nines course).-

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04/22/2009 1:47 PM

infinite numbers between 0 and 1, unless you want to get more specific

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What is the value of pi?

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The mathematician: "3.1415296......"

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Uhm its 3.1415926 not 3.1415296

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04/24/2009 3:12 PM

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM........PI!! I love a good apple pi.

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04/24/2009 3:50 PM

Your taste is excellent, your spelling is AWFUL!!

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What,that's not how you spell "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM........"?

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You spell Pi "Pie" !!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

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04/24/2009 4:52 PM

My new pet theory is that engineers get foolish when faced with silliness.

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04/24/2009 5:00 PM

Or vice versa?

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LOL!

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04/26/2009 11:04 PM

Foolishness gets engineering when faced with silliness?

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04/27/2009 4:33 PM

About that Teleportation thing. I think it was Arthur Clarke that years ago wrote a book that listed 11?, Science Fiction conventions, like teleportation, or invisibility, and time travel.

According to my memory, he did say teleportation was theoretically possible if you essentially had all ingredients in the transceiver booths that were signaled to deform, and reform electronically.

He did predict that you would be a much different person after each transmission, due to "static".

Possibly with the advent and rise of digital this "flaw" could be obviated, at least to a minimum.

He also said Time Travel was theoretically possible, and as time has advanced I believe it is String Theory that puts some more bones on this common pet.

Far as I understand the underpinnings of theory for the show Sliders are correct.

As far as DIY, as opposed to hiring someone, the saying in Motion Picture Production goes: "If you think a professional is expensive, wait till you hire an amateur." Another saying is: "It costs what it costs, and takes what it takes." I'll tell you I once attempted to put down prefab sections of simulated hardwood flooring with this incredibly hard to work with mastic, glue, and then was in the position of begging for help from a professional.

One finds oneself in a bad bargaining position sometimes if you have created problems for the professional.

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One finds oneself in a bad bargaining position sometimes if you have created problems for the professional.

It's not a problem in that you've learned from the failed attempt. OK, it'll cost, but you learned. Many 'professionals' will roll their eyes, and go tut-tut. Why ? They can make more dosh, and word for the need of their expertize will spread. A real pro would assess things with at least a bit of commiseration, then set to tackling the job correctly. Everybody likes making something from a blank slate, but DIY screw-ups are good money for them. The professional exists to serve the client, so if they belittle some hapless DIY'er, the real problem is in their own mind-set. Comiserate, clean up, start over, collect the cheque. The poor git who gets the bill knows he's paying more than he need have. Attitude on the job is the most under-rated form of advertizing. When I get DIY supplies, I'll often use a small independent supplier - cost more, but the level of advise is way better then some crap superstore.

Oop, Sorry Transcendian, I was on a morning ramble.

He also said Time Travel was theoretically possible

I thought we were all travelling thru time right now ? One way ticket, but we're still 'travelling'.

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04/28/2009 6:26 AM

So, what you are trying to say is you've misslaid the time machine again?
Last time you did that it took ages to get all the Dinosaur crap off it.

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It looked like a soft landing place

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Here are 3 of my finest (Blackberry & Apple)

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2∏ or not 2∏ that is the question!

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04/24/2009 7:58 PM

perhaps in your world, but we have established that we don't actually exist so.....pi anyone?

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"What ideas, or theories do you find that somehow came into your brain house, and won't leave, no matter what?"

No way I'm cracking open that can of worms....

You have to spill the beans first.

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Here's the spilled beans: I can't stop trying to figure out how to put a hologram on a photon. According to Jorrie, who I greatly respect, it is impossible due to what is called coherence. I believe Europurium and I also went around on this.

I try and try to admit defeat, abandon the idea, accept that people more educated and competent have truthfully made it clear that according to known physics, it is impossible.

Still I find any further understanding I gain about the nature of light is ultimately aimed at coming up with an experiment that would overcome the problems.

It is my pet idea.

I struggle with even the ethics of keeping my pet.

Is the world damaged because I waste part of my mind by filling it with scraps of information aimed at doing something real experts, have as gently as possible told me is impossible?

What a great victory it was for me that Jorrie tacitly endorsed my post concerning a speed of light question.

I confess I felt as though I had learned something out of discussions about light, and my pet again demanded my attention, and thought. P.S. For some members like Jorrie, who have thousands of posts, and few GAs, but are known to us of CR4 to actually be Experts, I have suggested some sort of Title appropriate to their status on the Forum.

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P.S. For some members like Jorrie, who have thousands of posts, and few GAs, but are known to us of CR4 to actually be Experts, I have suggested some sort of Title appropriate to their status on the Forum.

I'd endorse that.

Kind of embarrassing to become a guru through sheer unwillingness to go away.

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What Title is most perfect?

I know in some cases I have written PMs to either Garthh or Jorrie requesting that they weigh in on threads that I felt they had known talent for.

Sometimes I have said, "Check with Del".

I'd recommend Roger Pink for Global Warming or Climate Change issues.

C-Mac for building... I know a few from the neck up around here and was inspired to imagine what sort of "Retreat" -get together in a Troy New York summer would be successful, by a toss off idea of Dr. Dougs.

Possibly this is a new pet idea we might share?

Probably more possible than sending and receiving holograms on scattered light.

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Feckless Leader?

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Don't know that feeble and ineffective, as "feckless" is defined is what I was thinking of.

Some Adjective that is the opposite and positive is more where I was looking.

SoFar stuck with Guru Expert.

I reject Feckless Leader, though I really have no say one way or another. P.S. How 'bout that T38 F-22 kill?

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My comment simply reflects my discomfort with the synonyms for expert: authority, leading light, leader, pundit, specialist

Perhaps we could go with something simple like Resource.

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04/26/2009 11:10 PM

how about Fecund Friend of the Intellectually Aspirant?

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04/22/2009 9:46 AM

Boy did this discussion get off topic, where did the cats come from? I agree with you about having pet theories that no one else believes in. I have more then you then I can shake a stick at and I have just given up talking to anyone about them, but I never completely give up on the idea. And no I don't think that your effort is a waste of time. It seems to me that the age of the back yard inventor is almost dead and thats to bad. Those of us that don't know that something can't be done, seem to be the ones that make the impossible happen. So don't give up and don't listen to the old stick in the muds that can't think outside the box.

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Put a hologram on a photon - or create a hologram with a photon? I think you would need to use an entangled photon pair, and manipulate one to control the behavior of the other. Unfortunately our current state of the art in manipulating photons doesn't provide a very big tool box, but I hope you keep trying. It might accidentally lead to something else. But there is a real problem here - how would you know if you succeeded? You would need to be able to 'see' the hologram. That means the photon would need to strike your retina. Since we are talking about a single photon it would only strike one rod or cone on one retina. It would be unusual for a single photon (of visible light) to have enough energy to trigger even one rod or cone - the are just not that sensitive. One photon strike would raise the energy level of one electron in one atom in a single molecule. Further I don't see how you could produce the 3D illusion with a single photon striking a single eye, no matter how much information you managed to pack into it.

You might try machine vision, but the same problems would seem to apply. You would still need two sensors to detect the parallax. I'm not aware of any CCD technology that can reliably detect a single photon. The only device I know of that can do this is a photomultiplier tube. A PMT can only detect one bit of information (photon = 1, no photon = 0).

I have one other thought which I hesitate to mention because it exposes my vast ignorance on the subject, but what the heck. I am fascinated by the plots generated by particle colliders, in which all the protons and neutrons and quarks and gluons etc appear to go spiraling off in different directions in response to their new found freedom. I assume (here comes the ignorant part) that the traces are generated by photons (as detected by a large array of sensors - probably PMTs) emitted by the spiraling particles. If you set your sights a bit lower, and tried to encode a hologram on a single atom, and then 'view' the resulting 'picture' using a particle collider, you would at least have a the ability to test the results - assuming you have a particle collider. But again I wish you luck.

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Cats could talk if they wanted to

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Huh? It's getting them to hush that's the tricky bit.

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I firmly believe my pet white American Shorthair cat is suffering from Kitty Alzhiemers....

She wanders around going Meow Meow and looking about as if she is wondering where everyone is or where she is, even when she just saw you ten seconds earlier.

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That would be as disconcerting as Grandma doing it

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Your cat may have gone blind. I had a affectionate orange tabby cat that lost his vision when the lenses inside both eyes fell out of place. For a brief amount of time one lens was trapped in the iris sideways. Seeing this clear thing in his pupil prompted us to seek a vet. She told us that both lenses had fallen out of place. So Max could tell if the sun was up, but nothing could possibly focus his vision.

We realized then that in the house he just navigated along without a problem. But whenever something was moved in the house and his whiskers contacted something that wasn't there earlier, a series of meows combined with adjusting head and ear movement followed. I swear he was echo locating.

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Hmmm... actually its not the cats that need to talk. Its us silly humanoids that have to learn cat words!

I'm still in the beginner class, 'cause I couldn't get pass the loud "miaw miaw miaw" (=food), that came right after "awrough" (=lets play!). Its those nasal vowels that kill me....

Luckily, I have two good teachers and they won't give up on me!

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prrrrmp, mrrpppp maa.
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I have a cat that is a linguist - the wife before our marriage had a cat that spoke "zipper", every movement was accompanied by a noise like a windup car, my cat spoke more conventional cat - when we moved them in together my cat "learned " to speak "zipper" within days...

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Not saying

But your post reflects recent studies that once we make up our minds we only look for confirming evidence - to the rejection of anything else.

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I am the only person who actually exists, and you are all a product of my imagination. Chaos theory applies to why my life and the world is in the shape it is and why I cannot control world events.

However I am currently going to the greatest shrink in the world (because I created him) and will soon learn how to control even the most minute aspects of our world and will soon correct all our problems.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this since you don't exist.

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I don't even know why I'm replying to this since you don't exist.

Dang it all! Why tell me this now? I had plans for the coming weekend, which I suppose are all for naught now!

And how am I, being imaginary, supposed to get a refund at this late date? Hmmm?

By the way, in future please stop figmenting me with these misshapen ears. Least you could do I should think.

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Yeah, I'm with Guest

If YOU are responsible for my life I'd like to talk about improvements, and a couple incidents in my past (he says slapping a ball bat into his palm).

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The funny thing is several years ago I created charsley99 as a character in a novel for a college course in creative writing, and now he seems to have taken on a life of his own. Please realize that he only exists in our computers, he is not a living character, although he is sentient, now.

You guys are lucky, he only appears to you on CR4, for me he seems to be around at least 5 days a week. Somebody please help me.

Wait a minute, if you are all figments of his warped imagination, and I created him....

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Wait a minute, if you are all figments of his warped imagination, and I created him....

Exactly

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Please step away from the computer and place your hands at your side! Do not touch the plug! Any and all means will be taken to ensure my survival!

(Bat suddenly disappears and turns into 3 foot cobra) Snicker, snicker!

Should have taken the red pill!!!!! Oh Dear! Oh My!

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splarf!... damn there goes my tea all over keyboard.
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04/22/2009 8:42 AM

I'll beat ya with a cobra, too!

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04/22/2009 2:50 AM

But isn't Charsley99 a bit like Tigger and sentient only in your mind? Therefore, is he your alter ego and drives the Harley to places you wouldn't normally go?

Transcendian - - why would you want to put a hologram on a photon when no one would be able to see it? BTW, Charsley99 and I just put a hologram on a photon. Can you prove that we didn't?

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Actually, to tell the truth, since so far we haven't seen outer space peoples television, and my suspicion that over long time and long distances such signals from others would degrade into static. Of course I think we are still getting telemetry from a space probe that left our Solar System.

I figured really that if it could be done, somewhere in the universe somebody would have figured out how to do it.

Really I was looking for a "hardy" signal, you know like one that could go from one universe to another, and still hold information.

In a way what then happened over time, I was sort of attempting reverse engineering, figuring if the outer space people had succeeded in putting visual signals on photons, we couldn't see them until we could do the same thing.

String theory, multiple universes 11 dimensions, add avenues of possibility as my pet theory wrests for control of my mind.

Gottah say in the end my pet theory has been useful in forcing me to learn some real physics. It also caused me to suspect that if there are multiple universes they would be demarced by different constants for the speed of light.

What if Seti needs not only to look way out there with Telescopes, and Radio Telescopes but into the underlying smallest and rarest possibilities?

Is there any possible better antenna?

Because Solar Panels generated power reacting to particle theory of light, I supposed that they would be the antenna. This is not possible according to coherence.

Then I considered putting two solar sails within proximity to each other and looking for he entangled sets of photon with holograms in them at a point between the two.

(Somewhere along the way I accepted "entanglement" as part of the path towards success.)

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04/24/2009 7:51 AM

Are you suggesting that I am living vicariously through a "sock puppet"? Alter ego or altered ?

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".....If enough of us believe, a new order can be made to exist. Belief structure creates a filter through which chaos is sifted into order." 'Analysis of the Tyrant, the Tarza file: BG Archives'

I'm gonna stick my toes into dangerous waters and get back to the thread.

I believe that the interpretation of E=mc2 that mass becomes infinate at the speed of light is wrong. That it's volume that becomes infinate as a wave form. The mass comversion in a star produces the varoius forms of energy that we can measure, even from vast distances. Or am I really just too dumb to follow what greater brains than mine allow?

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04/21/2009 12:52 PM

And what was it you thought was wrong with the ears?

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Hey that's just completely insane...how can you suggest such solipsistic nonsense in a learned forum such as this?

Anyway, I have a pet theory that the government is putting something into our tin foil. It used to be that you could put it over your windows and wrap it around your head to keep out the mind-control waves, but somehow they seem to be getting through now............

Ok, Ok...I have this other theory...that aliens have landed, and they have taken over the government and the TV (come to think of it they are probably the ones who have messed up the tin foil). They are now running an intelligence test on the human race by seeing how dumb and contradictory they can make our public policy discussions before somebody notices that the whole thing is a sham.

I have one other theory, but this one is kinda crazy and I don't want to talk about it right now...you all might think I was nuts and it's really complicated and hard to explain (what with all the mind control waves). But I'm thinking that maybe if I sandwich a layer of marzipan between two layers of tin foil it might make some kind of dichroic mind control wave filter. Then I could concentrate on the real problem - what's suddenly causing those rainbows to appear in the sprinkler....

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04/26/2009 11:24 PM

I find that if you turn the tinfoil shiny side in and apply a cross hatch pattern of copper wiring in just the right way to the dull side you can hear the alien controllers hidden broadcast. There's not much point as all they seem to want to talk about is where they're going for lunch or who's going to win America's Next Top Model... not that it matters since we're all a figment of someone's imagination and finite point less then one...

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04/22/2009 4:30 PM

If I don't exist, and this is all a part of your imagination, I'd like to file some imaginary complaints, starting with why Murdoc wouldn't stay dead on MacGyver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0t29VMq9gk&feature=related

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04/21/2009 11:48 PM

That the matrix was not just a story (the other 2 movies should not be mentioned!)

i am Neo-Epke!

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Yeah, they really tapped a vein with that one!

Like Harry Potter - I recently reviewed the beginning of the first movie again. There is gold to be mined in telling pre-adolescents They Really Are more significant than anyone knows, and someone will be along shortly to rectify this.

If that means ~you~ were adopted and you are really a powerful wizard left relatively wealthy and your importance isn't actually based on your efforts but just sorta falls on you - so much the better.

Gold, sheer gold - well, obviously.

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04/26/2009 11:27 PM

Awwww... You made me blow a huge snot on my monitor...

ROFLMAO

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04/22/2009 12:35 AM

Here's my pet theory:

Pets are good for people. They are known for reducing stress in their owners despite needing to be fed, petted, bathed, groomed, exercised and played with (exceptions exist for fish, but their tanks or bowls need to be cleaned occasionally). Parents can use pets to teach their kids about responsibility. However, pets can break your heart when they die or run away. This then can be an experience in dealing with grief.

Now for theories I treat as pets:

1. Cloud electrification is driven by turbulence in the cloud.

2. The base particles of matter are actually "pieces" of space folded in on themselves.

I admit I do not have the advanced scientific education/training/experience to validate these theories. Discussion in detail would require a thread on each.

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I like #1 triboelectric static

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Your pet theory of base particles being space folded in on itself almost seems to be similar to the string theory of extra dimensions and Calabi-Yau shapes.

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04/22/2009 12:36 AM

It is vacuum. If we harness the power of vacuum, it will mean free energy for the world! Shhh! Don't tell anyone. I don't want to get snuffed before I figure it out. I'm thinking maybe turbo-charge vacuum. Yes, that should work.

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I have this pet theory that Climate Change and mankinds' effect on it is the greatest con perpetrated on civilisation that we have ever known.

It is amazing that engineers generally can clearly see the arguments against climate change and our puny efforts to influence it, yet whenever we air these thoughts in public thousands of academicians howl us down. I have yet to see any academic or so-called scientific proof that indicates substantially to me that they are right and I am wrong - like I say - a pet theory!

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It is amazing that engineers generally can clearly see the arguments against climate change

Well a fella can only afford to trash his career going against the stream so often.

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I didn't want to be the first to say it, but I also think global warming is just a political ploy. Money making fiasco. It's happened several times recently, by earth standards, and we were not around every time to create it.

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I am at the arse end of my career (age wise) so I don't really give a good damn what the scientists and bloody adademicians think!

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Me too, neither!

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I'll get on board with that... somehow the environmentalists all seem to forget about little things like solar heating and cooling cycles... I don't doubt that the earth is warming or that we have some effect on it, but I don't think we're going to find a terrestrial solution short of wait it out... but then again, what do I know, I'm just an imaginary theater geek

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04/22/2009 5:26 AM

My pet theory is that it does not matter what the DIY job is, in your house, car or boat, if you employ a professional, it always costs far more than doing the job yourself and even having to buy the needed bits twice (because you screwed up the first time!)

Most jobs just take longer the first time till you have "educated" yourself....funnily enough, I seldom ever need to do it again either......!

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I have plenty of evidence confirming this one! We agree completely.

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Well since you ask here's a stupid "pet" theory about dogs and African grey parrots (and in fact nearly all animals I can think of). And if this doesn't make you yawn nothing will.

Firstly: I have never believed that yawning has any utility in the human being as we are today; some people say that it's a way of getting rid of excessive carbon dioxide, but, if that were the case we would need to do it after strenuous exercise.

Some years ago now I was watching an African grey parrot in my local, and noticed the strange way in which it yawned: facially very similar to a person, but, in addition it stood on one leg stretching the other backwards as far as it would go and then shook from side to side passing waves down the length of its body. It struck me that I had often seen dogs doing almost exactly the same thing, albeit with a mismatch in the number of legs. Given that there does not appear to be any great utility for either creature in these specific actions (I concede that stretching probably is useful), it occurred to me that both must have a common ancestor for whom this type of yawn was absolutely essential. It's not difficult to imagine that nearly all animals and birds must also share the same common ancestor.

I mentioned this idea to a few of my friends who mostly humoured and ignored me, but, one made the obvious observation that the common ancestor was likely to have been a fish of some kind. Between us we then very quickly came to the conclusion that the reflex is clearly an attempt to clean the gills. If the fish was floating in unclean water the gills would almost certainly act as filters and gather up bits of debris. Opening the mouth and spreading out the gills would allow free passage of fresh water and the shaking would help to loosen any bits that were stuck.

I have since realised (having watched a few fish in aquariums) that the "shaking" is almost certainly a quick dash through the water, but, this would improve the effectiveness of the tactic.

There are a few questions that could be asked: does anyone know of a real need for yawning; why is it "catching"; how many creatures exhibit the same or similar reflex, and, do any fish yawn.

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I have an African Grey that yawns anytime my son walks in the room in the morning. The scary part is it sounds just like him. It freaks my wife out when the bird does it and she knows he's not home. At night when the lights are down he says goodnight to everyone in my voice.

I beleive yawning is your brains way of surrendering and displaying to those present, YOU BORE THE HELL OUT OF ME! It's usually when your boss is talking to you. Or your wife!

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Well YOU know who the Boss REALLY is!!

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Just reading about yawns makes me yawn, really!

My cousins family had some kind of big green Parrot as a pet. When the phone would ring it would say: *#@!!, Helen answer the phone. It was imitating my uncle. You can guess what my aunts name was.

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You can guess what my aunts name was.

*#@!! ?

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Wake me up when it's over.

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Randall

You may be on to something, but the reasons escape me. Our cats display a similar action as to whenever they yawn they usually shake their head quickly when finished. If you were here in the states, I'll bet you could get a few million dollars from the government to study this theory.

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having watched large schools of prey fish, I want to know how the fish on the far side of the school knows it is time to turn?

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Depends upon what your "pet" died from! Or was it just killed by other disbelievers - It'll never fly Wilbur brigade.

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Depends upon what your "pet" died from! Or was it just killed by other disbelievers - It'll never fly Wilbur brigade.

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We are all just lab rats in a study being done by a higher intelligence. They are watching us and scratching their heads trying to figure out weather we humans have any common sense at all.

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The answer to that hypotheses is 42

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too bad we don't know the question...

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Oh but we do know the question. We're just not telling those arrogant mice.

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My pet theory is how humans became supposedly the highest evolutionary life form.

Everyone knows how poorly the human body is engineered compared to other warm-blooded critters. Most inefficient locomotion, poorest sense of smell, sight, hearing, more physically fragile, etc. The only thing that puts us anywhere near equal is the opposable thumb and the more capable brain.

Here's my theory on how this came to be. It is common knowledge that the Creator created the world and all living things in six days. Well, this was a rigid deadline. After about five and one half days, the Creator had finished everything but the human, but decided He needed a break before starting on what was to be His masterwork, so He decided to go play some golf. He was relaxing and having a great time and soon forgot about the deadline. Meanwhile back at the shop, His assistant Gabriel was noting that time was passing and still no Creator. The Creator had gotten carried away with the golf and the deadline was fast approaching. So, Gabriel decided to help out his boss a little and at least make a start on the human. Not being able to unlock the new parts bins as his boss had the key, he cobbled together what he could from what he could find in the discard Dumpsters. As time passed, he got more anxious and did more and more on the human until he got him virtually finished by the time the Creator finally rushed in, breathless, with five minutes left until the deadline. The Creator said "Oh gosh, I'm late. I dont know what I'm going to do. Just have to go without the human, I guess.". then noting what Gabriel had done he looked the creation over with a critical eye. "Nice try but Oh, boy, this will never work out in the world. But there's no time to do it over. I'll just stick in an articulated opposable thumb and my best Mark II Supreme brain and then throw it out there and hope for the best". And the rest is history.

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04/22/2009 8:14 AM

This idea is so whacky I considered posting it as a guest.

I also fully believe the idea can be shot down by anyone with advanced Physics (OK maybe someone that better remembers their un-advanced Physics) but I will put this idea forward at great risk to my reputation(?), sanity, and naps on the couch.

There is no solid matter. All sub-atomic particles are energy flux. The smaller and smaller we are able to inspect particles we will never actually find a specific particle but only the footprint of energy. I am implying that the wall behind your computer is not.....solid. Just energy.

I cringe like a dog who's shredding of the newspaper has not been found out yet.

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04/22/2009 9:02 AM

Backed up by everything we have learned - but no less solid for that.

I like it, and as a corollary I posit that when we get smart enough, we'll be able to use it.

Personally working a long way from home, and unable to return most weekends, my wife want a teleporter so I can be home of an evening - I'd like that.

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04/22/2009 9:18 AM

Maybe you're not so out-of-line with your thinking. If you get the chance, read "The Elegant Universe" by brian Greene. It is a very well written and interesting book and you don't have to have a physics degree. You may be surprised about how much people are thinking about this line of thinking about solid particles.

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04/22/2009 9:22 AM

I like to stick to the basics.

Like 1+1 does not =2. For fun I like to start with the rabbit argument and then go with "There is no absolute 1 and no two qty of 1 are equal" etc.... etc... Drives my engineering friends crazy.

Throw in natural human lack of understanding and a dash of restricted perception of theoretical vs true quantities and you'll have them buying the next round every time. HA!

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04/22/2009 10:47 AM

1 Carton of eggs + 1 carton of eggs = 12 omelets.

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04/22/2009 9:25 AM

My pet theory involves extra dimensions in the world around us beyond what our physical senses can detect. We experience 3 dimensions (x,y,z) plus time. I think there are more dimensions beyond those. It would be useful to consider a lower dimensional analogy for background.Let us get a sheet of paper and create a stick man in our own image. With Disney magic, let us breath life into him and animate him. Stick Man can move from side to side and from top to bottom on his page. He is confined to a 2-D world, where we are confined to a 3-D world. He only can experience what occurs within the plane of the sheet of paper. We can see him, but he can't see us becuz we are not within the plane of the paper. Now take a pencil and slowly popke it thru the sheet of paper. Stick Man will see a black dot, which will grow to a tan ring and finally a yellow hexagon. Let this represent Time. He remembers the black dot, tan ring and yellow hexagon as history and memory as the pencil passed thru, but cannot see the eraser on the end of the pencil. However, we can see both ends of the pencil from our 3D vantage point. I believe this is how Time intersects our existance. We remember Time past as history or memory, but only experience the present moment of "Now" as it quickly becomes past. And we cannot see the coming end of the Time axis. I wonder if prophets and psychics can somehow peer into this realm to see future events? Now let's pick up Stick Man and bring him into our 3D world. We lift him off the page and he collapses into a pile of graphite dust, since there is no 2D framework to support his existance. His 2D existance is incompatible with our 3Dworld. So, I wonder if a higher dimensional reallm exists beyond ours where there may be beings (God?) who can view our world, seeing both ends of Time, as we view Stick Man. Physists and mathematicians who study String Theory claim up to 11 dimensions are needed to explain everything, and I wonder if these dimensions are in shells around our dimensions in some way. So that's my pet theory , since you asked, so there! Prove me wrong.

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04/22/2009 9:33 AM

You may like to read "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene. He explores a number of possibilities as you describe, easy to read and very interesting.

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04/22/2009 12:50 PM

One thing perhaps worth mentioning is that 2D man could never perceive a "ring". Having no vantage point to see the hollow inside, it would be indistinguishable from a circle.

For that matter, I'm not sure how he could tell what color it is because I don't know how or if EM energy would propogate in his world. I mean, yeah, you can perhaps envision a tiny 2D "flatron" (like a photon, only flat) traveling in a particle / wave way, like on a textbook graphic. But there's a whole lot of multi-dimensionalness involved in EM energy and how it flits about. Yes?

And...a 2D world kind of dings up what we think of as gravity (being a 3D distortion of space-time). So maybe our friend is "weightless" too?

But I guess we're assuming that somehow in his world all this doesn't enter into it. Otherwise he wouldn't exist at all, since his very composition would also rely on some sort of physics that allows 2D matter to exist.

Dang. Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day thinking about that.

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04/22/2009 9:50 AM

Time does not exist. It is a perception created by the human mind to allow us to deal with our own limitations and it continues to limit us more.

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04/22/2009 9:50 AM

At last, an opportunity to throw my pet theory back into the light! Many thanks to Jorrie and JohnMt.Kisko for entertaining it here a few years back.

The universe is not expanding; in fact all matter is actually shrinking. From our point of view everything is getting farther and farther away, but it's just us getting smaller and smaller along with all the matter/energy in the universe.

Allow me to reuse the dots-on-a-baloon analogy for the expanding universe. Baloon expands - dots receed from each other. That's the usual take. But what if the baloon is a stable size and the dots themselves are shrinking? Dots that were almost touching are now seemingly farther apart.

JohnMt.Kisco (thanks for backing me up John) noted that this theory was proposed by a French dude way back when. He pointed out that it was just a matter of perspective.

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04/22/2009 10:37 AM

The Incredible Shrinking Man

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050539/

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04/22/2009 9:55 AM

My pet theory:

A Global Warming cycle ended the ice age and we (humans) were NOT responsible for that one either. (Don't tell Al Gore)

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04/22/2009 10:28 AM

My pet theory is that the red shift we observe from the myriad of celestial objects seen in the sky is not dominated by the relative velocity or Doppler shift effect between us and the glowing celestial body. I do not know what causes this red shift but I've always felt that the only explanation for this shift being the relative velocity of the star with us seemed presumptive at best. The light we're seeing from the stars travels for so long and far that I believe it is hubris to say we know what it happening to this light during the journey. Possibly the more interaction with the virtual particles that quantum mechanics predicts, robs tiny amounts of energy from the hurtling photons. Possibly time itself moved at a different pace earlier so that the light originally created at the star was redder.

Well that's my little Pet Theory.

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