Are You Upset With Cheap Chinese Junk?

>What you're describing has been on going for over fifty years, I'm having trouble being surprised.

Not exactly. As someone noted above, cheap Japanese products of the 1950s evolved into ultra-high quality electronics, motorcyles and automobiles that are the envy of the world. German-made products, like BMWs, command a high price and people buy them. I've taught my kids to always buy the best they can afford--and pay extra if necessary to get quality--because it pays off in the end.

The problem these days is you can't find high quality in many kinds of products because they all come from China. You have to choose among junk.

Some say it's American manufacturers and vendors like WalMart who force the Chinese to make crap, but all the scandals in recent years (poisoned dog food, tainted milk and so on) show that the Chinese are perfectly capable of making crap all by themselves, without any help from their customers.

We just gotta stop buying crap. Maybe it will get their attention.

Exactly, instead take the worn or broken stuff to the semi-retired guy with the machine shop on the edge of town.

Lets us also not forget the Chinese Babies, killed and maimed by Chinese Baby food in China......very recently!! I do not know what controls stopped it getting into the USA and other countries.....but we all got lucky.....for once.

China makes its own problems, aided and abetted by shit western companies......they are all bandits of the lowest types and morals......unless our collective governments switch their brains on and make some good, well thought out changes, its going to get a lot worse, before it gets better!!

I share your concerns....particularly when these things are more politically propagated than anything else. Free trade also has some norms of its own as regards quality, I guess.

This thread has obviously hit a raw nerve.

Bad quality, often fraudulent quality control all conspire to build a bad reputation for Chinese made goods.

As Dcad pointed out, it is possible to get top quality "made in China", but without considerable QC effort, you will quickly be given junk, even if you specified quality.

One major problem with all products sourced in "low cost" countries is that they have few restrictions on the pollution levels resulting from their production, and in some countries, a behind the scenes bribe will get you off the hook anyway.

This has made China the largest source of greenhouse gases and worst polluter in the world.

Unless China, Indonesia etc are made to be environmentally responsible, countries which are will continue to be at a major disadvantage and unable to compete. In this case, the flow of junk will continue.

As consumers, we all need to set a high quality standard. If we keep sending poor quality goods back to the dealer, they will eventually get the message that they must enforce quality standards at point of manufacture and refuse to allow these manufacturers to bribe their way out of trouble.

I notice when the poisoned milk scandal broke, the Chinese Government was quite quick to rigorously prosecute the people responsible. Obviously they are aware of the problem and endeavoring to correct it.

As long as we refuse to accept junk or even buy it in the first place, pressure is put on the "bean counters" who push the poor quality/low price to change their ways. It also strengthens the hand of the government officials who are trying to improve quality and reduce fraud.

That is also something about quality control in China.........someone in China that does put out crap that can effect the future of China'a manufacturing gets punished that is quick, and permanent....remember about the wheat gluten in the dog food.

Even though there was great pressure from other country's to get to the bottom of it.

phoenix911

You're keeping your eyes on the stars and refuse to see what's going on on Earth. Your $700 telescope is an exception, mon! As some other things. As some guy implied somewhere in the thread, the Chinese are perfectly capable of making good stuff, provided that you keep their quality in line with the right specs and pay them an extra buck that would make them maintain the quality. They are trying to save money by cutting costs, just like everybody, to be one step ahead of the competition. And that's when the problems start. Buy your telescope again in a couple of years, and you'll see the difference.

I have to agree with LJ.

Remember Hubble's first light issues, that had to be corrected.

phoenix911

I recall one case where the Chinese vendors changed the material in a polymer gear from filled to some other stuff. Because the gears were buried in a subassembly we didn't catch the problem until the failures in the field started coming in. It took a lot of money to retrofit all of the parts.

I have found that just having a good supplier of a sub is not enough. The whole supply chain has to be qualified by the OEM and then constantly checked. There seems to be this willingness to cut corners, change materials, all sorts of things. This is especially true if the vendor thinks they can save money and get around the qualification tests as well. That ranges from sending one type of part when a quality check is on to bribing the testing people.

The net result is that a complete random test of all incoming parts is necessary. It's become a cost of business in China. Where some vendors will police themselves to maintain quality the Chinese vendors seem to be guaranteed to do everything to try to make a bigger profit by driving cost down even if the result doesn't meet spec.

Sad but true.

As you said, "Sad but true".

Good point.

Several years ago Reebok killed a child by selling shoes with a metal chain bathed in lead. When tested initially it passed testing for lead and heavy metals but failed to meet tensile requirements. The request went out to improve tensile requirements and the supplier sealed the chain in a lead solder bath. The improved part was never retested for lead and heavy metals and released into production.

Now really people, are these vendors really that ignorant? Are corporate leaders really that stupid because they must know deep down inside that this sort of stuff happens all the time and will eventually happen to them? Of course if these leaders intentionally stay clear of the details, they can avoid accountability.

There is a practical consideration. This comes way too close to politics, but it's a very real constraint.

China has about one and a third billion people and those people are no longer willing to be denied a "piece of the pie". It would be nice if they agreed to stay poor and rural in order to avoid more coal-fired power plants or if they agreed to stay unemployed so that American products could better compete against them, but that ain't gonna happen.

We (the US - others can speak for themselves) are in an unhealthy, non-sustainable relationship with China. We borrow money from them (the actual finances are more complex, but that's the essence) to buy cheap goods from them. That process shifts our wealth to China at the cost of American jobs and Chinese pollution.

We would be better served if we found a way to share our material wealth in a more controlled, higher quality process. That should rightly be understood as deliberately lowering the standard of living in the US while raising it in China. The way we're doing this now is haphazardously lowering the standard of living in the US (disastrously so for some, almost none for others) while raising it in China at a high cost in life quality for those Chinese who suffer the effects of high pollution and poor quality goods.

There is a bright spot, however, if you're Chinese. The blight in Detroit is gonna be picked up by somebody. If BYD, or someone similar, gets their act together enough to deliver a low-cost, high quality car to the US market, it will dramatically alter the Chinese industrial landscape. We in the US know that a successful auto industry grows peripheral industries with a huge magnifier effect. We are also finding out that the death (or serious illness if you will) of an auto industry also spreads to those same industries.

In other words, I think that, if and as China gets its quality house in order, the US economy gets a lot worse. Try buying electronic components made in the US and you quickly get the picture. I recently worked on a transit job for a large US city. Without Pac-rim knowhow and manufacturing (all of it high quality now, but low quality decades ago), the job could not have been done. There were a lot of US bonds involved, but not a lot of US jobs (except those mandated by "local content" laws).

the question is, will the Chinese manufacturers, in sufficient quantity, figure out that they have to produce a high quality product for the US and EU (and Japan, etc) to decide to buy it? Recent history would say not but that could change. After 20 years of beating my head against Chinese quality I am skeptical though.

It seems that a lot of the blame has been given to both consumers and producers and occasionally a few people have spoken up about the real cause. Yet we seem to be powerless to do anything about it! I suppose the consumer is just ignorant of the possible choices and/or too busy to look for alternatives. Or perhaps they suffer from the same malady as the decision makers that took good products to lands that were willing to dumb it down to achieve some arbitrary profit goal picked out of ignorance.

On of the biggest contributors I have seen is the middle manager trying to make a name for themselves by touting the gains in reducing costs by attacking the cost of quality. There is also a school of thought that if you crank out enough product (at a low cost) and sort through it (using sampling) that you can build quality into it with an acceptable ppm failure rate. Thank goodness not everybody buys into this concept or we would all be in real trouble.

As engineers, we should be very concerned when management starts whining about the "cost of quality". That is the first sign of contaminated management. Another sign of contaminated management are those who only concern themselves with short term gain (i.e. this month compared to last month). It won't matter where the products are produced when this kind of thought process is used.

Yes, I get reminded all of the time that Quality Departments are not Profit Centers.

At times it is a real battle, but I could also talk about the times that I made more money on a retrofit when the cheap are pirated parts had to be replaced.

For some reason, our media here in the US doesn't like those stories real well, as they are not warm and fuzzy.

Here are a couple of links of a local firm.

They only assemble and test locally (lotta laughs there at couple of times), pay half of the amount paid to employees at Elliott Turbomachinery where the PAPs were the redheaded stepchild, use a lot of temps, and are now laying off fast. Elliott Turbomachinery is hiring and is leasing a lot of space for expansion (recently another 250K square feet). In addition almost all of the Mother Firm's components are being made locally. (We are talking heavy stuff here).

http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2008/12/08/focus5.html?b=1228712400^1741816

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=ACBJ&date=20090511&id=9891224

Yes, I get reminded all of the time that Quality Departments are not Profit Centers

What kind of Idiot manager says that? Scrap the Q dept and quickly see your profit evaporate.

Chinese Junk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_(ship)

Considering that "Junks represent one of the most successful ship types in history" there's something paradoxical here.

This is your decision to go with the junk. After contamination of toy with lead and baby food I refuse to buy any thing made in China. I am not sure what quality control if any they have.

If I get thing made in USA goes as first preference and then Europe and then India from top of my purchase and from bottom last is China.

I end up paying same only difference is cheap will be consume more and at the end of day both cost same. I do not mind changing more often but I refuse to play with my life or life of next generation with the quality of the product China provides to world.

You also have to real the US had issues also in its industrial growth.

I am not upset but when it effect the performance we got use too it make me wonder is this correct to suffer and pay same and save labor cost.

Buying cheap I like but not toy with lead containing paint and plasticizer in baby food. We have moral responsibility to make sure our kids have better life than we had. Feeding them with plasticizer containing food and allowing them to play with leaded paint based toys can you justify buying.

If your answer is yes then I do n ot have any thing more to say but if your anser is not then I am sure you will put China as last place to see lable and buy.

Maysood

Since, as I have been led to believe, there is no, or at the very least, none, quality control in China, I am not surprised to learn that others are having the same problem.

I too bought from WalMart, an electric fry pan, it burned out after two usings.

WalMart's solution? Another one of the same line of junk!

Way to go, Sam!

Ken Leigh

for good quality pay more

I am not completely convinced that your comment is completely true. I have often found that research often finds a small company, that produces exactly what I am looking for, locally (in the same country, under the same laws), at a price quite comparable to the Chinese rubbish.......

This does not happen every time (sadly) I have to admit......

These local suppliers are generally companies that do a first class job, sell directly without middlemen and are looking only to get a reasonable return on their products without overdoing it......

Don't buy a horse from an Amish man. It doesn't have as much to do with the Chinese as it does with our own desire to get it cheap. Buyer beware.

It seems like some of you posters forget the struggle the automotive big 3 went through with quality issues, a lot of which remain. Deming tried to sell quality to Detroit, but the managers and unions weren't interested so he went to Japan who was. The rest is history.

Now Chrysler and Fiat are going to join forces. What we will get? A big car that doesn't start?

The world is a tough place, but we don't need another level of government to try to fix the problem.

In the 60' Japan tour the US steel mills and were appalled.......they knew they could make cleaner steel more efficiently. And what happened.... Why do you rarely see a 70's vintage Toyota these days.

Even having a premium quality control procedure in place is not always the answer.

phoenix911

My daughter attended FIDM in California. They taught fashion and merchandising. We were looking to find a decent sewing machine that was not industrial for work at home. We were looking to purchase "BrandX" One of "BrandX's" was available at Wal-Mart but it didn't have all the features needed. This was going to be used in California and given away when she was ready to move back home to Jersey. She mentioned this to her instructor and was told "DO NOT BUY". According to her the price is exceptional and couldn't be beat. However Wally World contacts the maker and tells them they want to purchase to sell their brand but at THIS COST. Metal gears and components are replaced with plastic to cut cost and the consumer is basically unaware. Her instructor told her several students had purchased these brands from them and had not even made it through the time spent at school.

Hi Charsley,

I wish I could tell all the stories in detail ... but, for ethical reasons I can't.

I will say, in the episodes I have had as a manufacturer to the "World's Largest Retailer", there is NEVER any issue with quality or performance, but only cost and 'features'. We were never successful (and I am truly very glad for that), but their cost targets were easily 40% lower than anything we were making. I am also sure they did find someone to make these products and they are of the lowest possible performance quality ... work a little, look okay ... for them, that's good enough. Understand, that for that retailer, their margins are such that (1) they can easily take back a product without question and still make money, and (2) they contractually hold the manufacturers' feet to the fire, so they (that retailer) aren't liable for anything in the long run. The consumer loses. The manufacturer loses. Hmmm ... guess who wins.

Sir, there are SO MANY stories, that if the general public knew ...

Kind regards ...

I truly don't believe that country of origin is the source behind the problem. It comes down to the company supplying the finished goods. Profit hungry glassy eyed leadership teams look at their improved margins when outsourcing through "agent" suppliers who source through countries with dirt cheap labor.

Outsourcing specifically through agents allows business to wipe their hands clean from all responsibilities in developing and manufacturing products. This opens the door to all sorts of disasters, namely the poor quality you speak of. If a company controls their own factories in China, they will likely have their own developers and QC operatives driving the manufacturing process. This leads to "as expected" levels of finished product quality.

But to back up your point, it's impossible to know just how a product was made just my looking at the packaging or even the price. Brand recognition and word of mouth should be used if you want to know you are getting something good. However, you can never be absolutely certain because many large businesses manufacture in multiple locations with different teams, under different leadership umbrellas.

A mate of mine brought me back a Chinese copy of a 'Ping' putter (as a joke) when he went to Hong Kong on business.
I had to file the face flat, remove the alignment decal which was wonky, glue the head back on when it fell off and replace the rubber handle because it smelled terrible.
But other than that it's a great putter
Del

I remember seeing a documentary on TV about bootlegging in Suzhou around China's north region. The biggest danger is people pedaling fake prescription drugs (like Viagra), some just candy and others that contain ingredients that aren't likely safe for human consumption. Deaths have even been reported from faux prescription drugs.

Taylor Made tested a Chinese knockoff of their best driver and found it to hit the ball a few yards short of their version when using an automatic hitting machine. They even admitted that the average person wouldn't notice a difference between the two.

maybe you misunderstood your friend, he didn't bring you back a putter........he brought you back a project. See just a misunderstanding,

Only you Del, only you would try to resurrect a putter that was 'Code Blue' before it left the factory, and was DOA. Get a life buddy! Or go play with your 'putz'.

Yeah, but it was a running joke...I was putting great with this crock of shite, but my playing partners were all struggling with their expensive putters.
It's just that new club syndrome.
I think all new golf clubs have a certain number of great shots built into them, then once you've hit that 100th good shot, it triggers some intricate mechanism inside that makes your game go belly up again.
Maybe sb can explain it?

Del

I always thought that was "non carborundum illigiitimus."

Your latin must be better than mine.

Believe me, its far worse!!

Del, I have a much better story than that ...

One of my clients bought a set of cubs in Shezhen (near HK), and carried them with him to visit us (near Shanghai). So proud he was of the great deal, we took a day to go to the links to play.

Sunny day, light breeze, great course ... on the 3rd tee, my friend tee'd up, took mighty swing with his 2 wood, and as we watched to follow the ball, we saw the club head flying.

There were six of us ... laughed our arses off ... literally rolling on the ground.

Well, at least he got a good copy-Callaway bag out of the deal.

(follow up) My friend took the clubs back to the States and actually tried to get them repaired ... I guess every pro shop immediately recognised them s fakes ... not sure where they are now.

The moral of the story? Pay a little, get a little ... pay more? Well sometimes also get a little, but at least your chances are better.

Kind regards ...

Jumping in here kinda late, but I know for a fact based on my career in logistics that it is a U.S. Customs regulation that any item imported into the United States be clearly marked with County of Origin. Back not that many years ago it was not uncommon to have a Customs Officer show up at my office demanding to see a specific import shipment to check on Country of Origin markings. They were serious about it. If one cannot find or if the type is micro, fuss a bit, contact U.S. Customs, that 's their job. As an aside, we have had problems with cryogenic treating of Chinese metal, tooling and brake rotors, not getting the results we expect from the stated type of steel or alloy that the material is claimed to be made of. Not an issue when we treat steel made here in the U.S. at a quality mill! dkimmel@300below.com

BTW: I just took another slap from China. A pair of inner tubes to shore up leaky 'tubeless' tires that came from China (after 2 years) on my John Deere , also came from China. The brass stem with only about 1/8" of rubber collar looked suspicious. But I installed them anyway. One held air overnight, the other didn't last 10 minutes. I tried 'Fix a Flat' and got a shower from the collar on the stem. I went to two other stores trying to find a US or EU made tube. One guy said he couldn't order that size from his 'Made in USA' catalog, the other burst out laughing, uncontrollably. He did say he would do his best to find them for me, after he apologised.

I hope I can find them on the internet, as I promised to do in my earlier post. So much of what we buy as normal 'After Market' goods have been flooded by the Chinese, pushing out the good guys.

This is similar string which I had initiated by me:-

Made In China MNC Branded Products on 02/26/2008.

There were around 80 comments,some were really great.

Suresh Sharma.

Reply: #8

Regards

<< China has the ability to produce goods ...

... Should we demand that the standard be high ... >>

I fully agree with Mr. Prof in this regards.

My son sent me a Compaq-Presario ...Integrated unit Monitor, Speakers & Mic with Win95 Installed; (the 1st named Intel-Pentium only no 1 or 2 ..) from USA [ bought from Canada].

It was made in China. MB, Modem 28 or 33 K; but CPU was made in Malayesia.

It was running a year back without any problem.

It is the Business Community whose hunger for more & more profit is pepriving the public due to ignoring by controlling agencies ...

I cant say about the developed countries like USA , Canada, Europe; but here in Pakistan we have the same problem from made in India, Korea, Taiwan & what else ..

German products were the favourite for their quality, TVs TapeRecordes, ... And what to say about VW.

Business Community is also discouraging good local producers of say Electric Fittings, House-Hold appliances & items; as

in their profit margin is not as high as in bogus products marked Made in any country.

It is assumed by public that no one has time to notice .. And MOST IMPORTANT Even the consumer has no sense.

It is "I" who is promoting them.

I cannot ignore the remarks by "NotUrOrdinaryJoe" in post #12

Regards.

<< I don't think it was the consumers that were responsible as much as it was the investors and management of the parent companies that moved all of their manufacturing to under developed countries >>

The investors is the main culprit in my view.

And the MAIN ISUUE is to be discussed :

Who were behind the local-industry's shut down ????

AND

Shift it to ....

And "ahuha" 's remaks in post #13 are quite valid with deleting "american"

<< it's not consumerism at work, it's the american standard of capitalism at work... >>

We have all been conditioned by "planned obsolescene". Cheap, short-lived goods are just PO on steroids. Consumers should have railed against that concept from the beginning. But mfgs. (see Ford) knew that "mass production/mass marketing" wouldn't have an ongoing life without it. There is a similarity to software. If you're going to write software for a living and your company likely has a one or only a few products. You come to work everyday and have to keep changing the product so that customers will "need" to keep upgrading. Otherwise, if you ever decide the product is pretty well "finished" then you either have to start working on a new application, get paid for maintenance or just retire and do something else.

I see this topic has degenerated into quips, snide comments and jokes.

Nevertheless, it was a good thread while it lasted. A previous thread on the same subject generated 80 responses and this one got 135, indicating that lots of people are concerned.

As the instigator of the thread, here's my summary:

1. Walmart in the USA is the primary culprit and has done more to foist cheap Chinese junk on us than any one entity. I recommend that we all boycott WalMart. And be vocal about it.

2. If you look long and hard enough, you CAN find products made elsewhere--USA, Europe, Mexico, Japan, etc. I suggest that we all do that.

3. It pays to NOT buy junk from China because, in most cases, it truly is junk and will fail within hours, days or weeks. Buyer beware.

4. We MUST express our discontent to retailers amd suppliers about the lack of quality and demand that they carry non-Chinese alternatives. Otherwise, they will think we actually want the stuff because it's cheap.

5. If we make a concerted effort to buy non-Chinese products, and encourage our colleages, friends and families to do the same, collectively we could put a multi-billion-dollar dent in rhe balance of trade for all our respective countries. Great movements often start small and build into large ones. Let's start one.

Breaking News, There is a fair in my town Mumbai, India for Chinese Make Consumer Electronic Goods from 5-26-09 to 5-28-09. Only two days because by the time you get problems with goods Chinese mfrs. will pack up and will be back to their homes.

Suresh Sharma.

I really like my Russian Flashlight. I hardly ever use it, but I expect it will work if I crank it.

Since Wal Mart opened up nearby, the Gun store where I bought my last pistol closed, and the only place to get ammunition for the shotgun, or my pistol, is Wal Mart.

I have not stocked up on ammunition, or bought any guns. Actually I don't buy much.

I do hope that the Chinese will keep a bit of pride and make sure that if in fact I feel the need to buy some 20 gauge shotgun shells, and some .32 revolver cartridges, they will fire in the guns I have.

How is that SKS doing?

What is the status of Consumer Reports in China?

-more later.,maybe. politics are involved.

I bought a brick (500 rounds) of Chinese .22 long rifle for my pistol.

In a normal match using 65 rounds (5 were sighter's) I had 13 misfires!

I finally pulled the lead from them all, poured out the powder and set off the detonator with a hammer. I didn't count the "misfires" but there were a lot of them.

I wouldn't recommend Chinese ammo for competition or close quarters pig hunting. The latter could well be a temporary experience!

I've since stuck to non - Chinese brands who, even if they get the Chinese to make it, can at least get some quality assurance established.

I cannot understand the Chinese government allowing these poor quality goods to continue being produced. It is increasingly rebounding on them as people refuse to buy their goods, forcing their manufacturers to be subcontractors at best and reducing their future profitability.

The "Jap crap" of early post war years didn't last long. They rapidly got their act together until, with cars I have seen "Japanese made" used by salesmen as a sales point.

On the other hand, Chinas rubbish seems to show no sign of abating and the quality products are all too rare and again the percentage doesn't seem to be increasing as it will need to do if they are to ever shake their "rubbish" tag.

At the moment, "made in China" is a sales disincentive.

A simplistic yet compelling video entitled "The Story of Stuff" http://www.storyofstuff.com/ is currently circulating around the web and apparently the world. It's about the American Manufacturing-Marketing-Consumption cycle. In it, the narrator claims that of all purchases made in the U.S. only 1% is still in use 6 months later.

If this is true, or even close, is it not actually wise of manufacturers to put the bare minimum of quality and durability into their products? What is the value of "building to last" something that the consumer will grow bored with and chuck out within the year?

Does the marketing of "new" actually drive the buyers? Or does incessant dissatisfaction with one's own experience, evidenced by leaping from one distraction to the next, make the perfect marketplace for transient junk?

In it, the narrator claims that of all purchases made in the U.S. only 1% is still in use 6 months later.

If this is true, or even close, is it not actually wise of manufacturers to put the bare minimum of quality and durability into their products?

well if it was made to last it would be bad for business.

What do they consider stuff? food stuff? consumables? cars? houses? electronic devices? gas, water electricity? it depends on your definition of stuff to get to that 1% conclusion.

(Don't have time now to watch it)

Yes, as I noted, it is a simplistic version of the production/consumption cycle. I was nevertheless inspired to be more attentive to the "stuff" I buy and how long I use it.

A couple of months ago I bought a Chinese made temporary carport.

Everything seemed to be well designed and well made.

Instructions were clear and idiot proof (even I managed to assemble it without problems).

I thought of this thread and thought, "I must report that I have found a decent quality Chinese item".

6 weeks later, the cover started to tear, but we had experienced strong winds so, even though it was in a sheltered position, I was prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt.

I started to take the cover off to repair and reinforce it and the entire cover crumbled - it had rotted in 6 weeks!

I went back to the supplier and found they were familiar with the problem and had ordered replacement covers, which were not yet available.

Sorry, but what looked so promising turned out to be yet another item in the long, sorry list of poor products.

Who said we don't live in a throw-away society?

This reminds me of a long going british TV series in the 80s - "Never mind the quality feel the width" - the guys in it were Taylors but the motto equally applies in other areas.

Hey Slow Old Poop,

Comparative shopping has gone the way of the Dodo. I found a garden sprayer made in the USA cheaper than a 'brand name' made in China. Check out the shelves. Stop pissing and moaning about 'cheap' Chinese junk if you just want to grab what looks like what you saw on TV. I would also recommend a Geiger counter if you buy anything from China. Nuclear/Industrial waste is in all their products.

Happy New Year to you from China.

Just returned from a months very pleasant holiday in the US. Must say that I found it nigh on impossible to find anything there that was not made in China (or Indonesia, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia etc.).

Seemed strange to be buying Christmas presents in New York and taking them home to China where they were made. Most of them very good quality I must say, and not available in China.

HI Prof.

Lucky that you only bought only Christmas Presents and not any industrial product.

Wish you Happy New Year.