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What Is This Thing?

12/06/2009 7:23 PM

I found this in an old box today. If you're over 60, you'll probably know; otherwise...

This is a mechanical lead pencil with a 1/2" diameter slotted ball where you might expect an eraser. The ball is plated steel, hollow, and spins more or less freely. It was made this way and the name (which is stamped on the side) tells the tale.

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12/06/2009 7:51 PM

It's a rotary phone dialer. Do I get a prize?

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12/06/2009 8:20 PM

Yes! Because you answered correctly within the first twenty minutes of our grand challenge puzzle, you have won a two week, all-expenses deferred, exclusive right to answer dumb homework questions on CR4.

Yep, says "Bell Telephone" on the side. Do you remember these or do you still have rotaries?

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12/08/2009 6:47 PM

My Mom was a Sak Tel Operator in the 50's and she looked like tompkins from Laugh' In with all the cords and things. LOL

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12/06/2009 11:37 PM

It is for speed dialing dial phones... saves wear and ear on the dialing finger. Note that we still dial a number but push buttons!

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12/07/2009 12:19 AM

At that stage we had a phone with a crank handle. One had to "dial" the number with the length of the turn (1 long and 2 short = 12)

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12/07/2009 1:40 AM

Oh yeah, I can remember the days of blistered/grooved fingers. (>60, as OP suggested.) I never ran into one of these, though.

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12/07/2009 3:40 AM

Do you use your dictaphone?
... No, I use the end of my pencil

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12/07/2009 6:58 AM

ROFLMAO even if I did have to read it three times to get it.

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12/08/2009 8:34 AM

Very funny, but almost too subtle. I had to read it several times before I caught on and then everyone was looking at me to see why I was laughing so hard.

I grew up with dial phones, party lines, and five digit phone numbers. My grandma only had four digits in her phone number. The small town where I went to school had its own telephone system, with a lady with lots of dry cell batteries who plugged cords into sockets to connect people. The phones had a crank. You would crank the phone and she would answer and you could tell her what number you wanted or just give her the name and she would connect you.

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12/10/2009 5:36 AM

"Dictaphone" - new modern definition: some idiot who's always on his mobile!

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12/14/2009 2:07 PM

I like your definition!

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12/13/2009 4:17 PM

Funny, furry cat

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12/07/2009 9:29 AM

I recall that a friend of mine had a number that was 23890 (yes, only 5 digits!), and it was a giant pain in the finger to get busy signals time after time!!! If I only had one of those contraptions then! Maybe I wouldn't have minded getting busy signals.

By the way, our family's phone number in the 1950's was 23448. I don't mean to imply that I was born in the 50's -- that was merely our phone number as far back as I can remember.

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12/07/2009 11:28 PM

Dear Friends of the Communications World:

About the Telephone Dialer Pencil, I've seen the Local Telephone Operater use one, she kept it stuck in her hair over her right ear, while not dialing.

Second comment about short phone numbers, # 229 was my mom & dad's home phone and 230 was dad's work number, and yes the Phone was in a dark brown varnished box, with a side crank, a pulldown speaker,a ear phone hanging on the side oposite to the crank, & the Rotary Dial on front.

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12/08/2009 6:43 PM

Mine was 3 1/2 turns.

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12/14/2009 11:24 AM

In the early '50s, ours was 8817. Then it changed to 4-8817... Then Tuxedo 4-8817... Then 884-8817... Then came area codes (503) 884-8817... and more area codes (541) 884-8817. Of course my folks moved away from that area many years ago. Otherwise I would not blatently publish that number.

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12/07/2009 2:11 PM

Are you sure it's not for cleaning ears?

These new mechanical pencils are hopeless, you always lose the detachable eraser on the end in there and spend hours trying to fish it out of the ear canal with a pair of pliers (or vice grips if you are a mechanical engineer).

They don't make them like they used to that's for sure!

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12/07/2009 10:43 PM

"They don't make them like they used to that's for sure"

What, mechanical pencils, erasers, pliers, vice grips or mechanical engineers?

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12/08/2009 2:53 AM

or possibly all of them

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12/07/2009 10:43 PM

Yes, phone dialer assist. All the phone co operators used them. One of my jobs was working on the operator bays, so am familiar with thise.

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12/07/2009 10:51 PM

Since this is not a weekly puzzle, it would have been more honest a question had you provided the name stamped on the side. I remember seeing such an instrument (if I'm not mistaken, associated with blueprint production), and I'm not sixty.

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12/08/2009 10:48 AM

Surely my friend you are not sixty but over sixty like me [by the way I am over 76] & soon after my job started bluprints in our job were the hot items a techi have.

Soon after photocopier [sensitive paer], Stencil-cutters, then normal paper copier

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12/08/2009 2:08 PM

you are correct. There is/was a sharpener that goes with it, so the draftsman could put a point on the end of lead.

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12/08/2009 1:04 AM

Draftsmen used this type of pencil. I am 80 years old and have not seen one for the last forty years

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12/08/2009 1:15 AM

As to the message, the firemen shovel coal to make steam for the steam engine. That was a hard job. Usually, the engineer would spell off the fireman and give him a little break, before the stockers came into being. People liked to hear the steam whistle and passers by would raise their arm up and down simulating pulling the whistle activatin cord so the engineer or fireman would blow the whistle for them to hear. But the whistle used up steam which meant more shoveling, not a lot, but some.

Thus the message. If you want to hear the whistle, come and shovel some coal to make the steam

Yes, I have shoveled coal into the boiler of a steam engine, but I was not a fireman.

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12/14/2009 11:48 AM

My Dad was lucky (in a way). The steam engines he drove used bunker oil rather than coal... but in sub-zero temperatures you never NEVER NEVER shut down one of those engines. The bunker oil would become the consistancy of tar, and one would have to go over the entire fuel system with a blow torch to get the oil thin enough to restart the engine... and continue to heat it until the engine got hot enough to sustain itself.

He commented to me though that the steam engines had alot more power than the diesel-electrics he later drove.

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12/08/2009 2:56 AM

I'm 24 and I've never seen one these before...probably not as 'mature' as you lot no disrespect of course

So how exaclty were these used? Just as an extension of the user's finger to dial the dial?

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12/08/2009 4:05 AM

Stick a battery in it and you have a handy ear & nose hair plucker.

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12/08/2009 5:38 AM

Many years ago my mom & dad had a contractor come to the house to give a bid on their new kitchen. He asked if he could use their phone since his cell went dead. They said yeah sure go ahead. He didn't know how to use it. He had never seen a rotary phone before.

I think they still have one hooked up in the basement. I'm not sure. I haven't been there in a long while.

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12/08/2009 6:33 AM

Our shop at work has a rotary dial phone. I answer it if it rings--even dialed out once, just for the memories.

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12/08/2009 11:17 AM

Go visit your folks!

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12/08/2009 8:24 AM

I liked the names that we used to remember the number. My grandparents phone number was Walnut 6776. 926776 for the youngsters. Funny what you remember from youth.

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12/08/2009 9:52 AM

OK, I have to know Daddio. How does Walnut translate to 92?

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12/08/2009 10:02 AM

The first two letters, W and A are 9 and 2 on an alphanumberic pad. When phone numbers went from 5 digits to 7 digits, the first two digits were a word. Our was Atlas and the AT translated to 28. I think the phone company eventually learned that it was simpler to just use the numbers instead of letters and the words all went away.

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12/08/2009 10:17 AM

Yeah - the good old days. My family's line was "Laurel Springs 4 - 1122M". Laurel Springs (LS) was the exchange, or the town next door, and the "M" I believe was our device on the party line. Funny how you never forget these things.

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12/08/2009 10:31 AM

Ah, yes...I remember it well!

When self-dialing was introduced, the Telco had to install many local switching stations. The stations were identified by the neighborhood where they were located. The original reason for having letters associated with the numbers on the dial was to provide a numerical method to identify each switching station.

If the phone you were calling was connected to your local station, you only needed to dial the 3 (now up to 5) digits for a particular phone. If your call was going to a phone connected to a different station, you had to dial a 2-digit code which identified that station. The 2-digit code was the numbers associated with the first 2 letters of the station name (mine was TWinbrook = 89).

Of course, if you wanted to call outside your local phone company, you still had to connect to the long-distance operator and tell her the city you were calling. She would connect to the long-distance operator in that city and tell her the number you wanted, which would then be manually connected.

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12/08/2009 12:14 PM

Now exchanges [switchboards] in the same city have the same typ of codes [normally 1st 2 digits] but you have to dial all the digits to connect to a phone just in your neighbour like:

xx55555 & xx55556.

My relatves & friends have their numbers beginning with in our city we have some of those I know by their numbers:

21..., 22..., 44..., 45...,46, 47..., 48..., 54...,, 55..., 57..., 59..., 66...,92...,

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12/08/2009 9:50 AM

Hi Tvp

Look in your box and see if you can find the " devilish Rotary Phone Lock"

used to keep unauthorized callers at bay.(a truly evil device)

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12/08/2009 10:45 AM

A dial lock was useless for a smart kid that figured out how a pulse-code worked.Press the hang up button once for one, twice for 2, etc.But the pulses had to be just the right speed, or the equipment at the central office would separate them into individual numbers,9 could be 4+5 , or 5+4, or 6+3 etc.Once you figured out the timing, dialing out was simple.I think this still works even today, because they still have rotary translators imbedded in the equipment.

There was a guy in our area that had the number BR549(Junior Sample's Used Cars, from HeeHaw). He never got much peace from the local kids.Then the town grew, and you had to use all seven digits.Gone were the good old days.

I keep one of the pencils above in my drawer with my slide rule and onion skin paper, and a hi tech(for the time) two color typewriter ribbon for my Smith Brothers typewriter.

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12/08/2009 12:25 PM

But techi like me know how to disable the Pulse-producing circuit & using miniature LOCK-SWITCH to en-able & disable.

And the business of Phone-Boxes climaxed as it was to costly to have a trunk/ foreign call. Thanks to the privatisation [in this view only otherwise a lot of problems are even in so called developed countries like US] the costs has don to earth at least in my country; compare I had to wait for hours to get my sons in UK & US connect by operators @ a cost of Pak Rs. 53.00 /M & now connect yourself at a cost of Pak Rs. 1.00/m

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12/08/2009 11:02 AM

A lot of places in the old days had phones without dials. That way, they could get calls but, supposedly, people couldn't make calls. Ha! It took the average ten year old kid about thirty seconds to learn the right click rate.

By the way, the first phone I can remember had the number F19. And, we were on a ten person party line, so the phone rang for everybody and most people went to listen; some would even join in if they got interested.

The pencil was in an old box of stuff from my father-in-law. He worked in a local exchange relay station for close to forty years. Part of the board wound up in the Smithsonian. He wound up deaf as a stone from all the clicking.

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12/08/2009 11:10 AM

Thanks, TVP for the stroll down memory lane.

My older brother at some point in the early sixties (or possibly in the late fifties) showed me how to dial by clicking the "hook" quickly a number of times equal to the digit to be dialed. Pause, then do the next digit. My friends were all amused to see me "dialing" this way.

I have often amused myself regarding the almost impossible complexity of the things we take for granted these days. Just the very first few steps in creating this post: press a key and a character shows up in screen: keyboard scanning, keyboard buffering, input processing, video processing, etc. Some steps are actually many smaller steps, and many full books have been written about video processing alone.

The complexity can become absurd. For convenience, I have occasionally emailed a file from one computer in the house to another. The "file" "travels" thousands of miles, and quite possibly, different parts of the file take different routes.

I just had the thought that almost certainly there would be an app for rotary dialing of an IPhone. Of course there is. I wonder if there is an app for a "party line"

The Princess Phone: Wow, a new shape! Tone dialing: holy cow! A couple decades later -- an rs232 adapter for the Ti99 that was bigger than an entire netbook computer is today.

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12/08/2009 11:28 AM

My elder brother had his connection & living with me. We all have the practice to dial by tapping this type of phone.

I returned from a long journey & asked the Railway Enquiry office attendant to connect to my home phone. He showed me the phone without dial [Railway Authorities had removed due to keep those guies on duty to keep the line free.

I requested him if I can dial manually; astonished, hesitated but allowed me to.

I connected & sent my message to recieve me on Railwaystation.

Soon after I left the window he started to try. Ours' were 5digit at that time.

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12/08/2009 1:26 PM

Neat picture! These old phones were not only high-tech for their time, they could also be used as weapons for self defense if necessary!

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12/08/2009 1:35 PM

Really.

Handset was quite a weapon

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12/08/2009 12:30 PM

Where I grew up we only used 4 digits. We got phones in our area when I was 11 (try telling today's youngsters they can't use the ONE phone in the house until they are 11 yrs old!). We were on a ten party line, and the phone system used what is called divided coded ringing to differentiate who was being called. We were two long rings followed by a short ring. Of course this lead to an early form of call forwarding, because when we left the farm we would tell one of our neighbors we were going out of town, and they would answer for us so no one would suspect there was no one home. I still remember when I learned how to take the dialer off the base (using a paper clip), then I would replace it so it looked like it was on. The next person to try to use the phone would be greeted with a dialer spinning across the floor. I also learned how to use the hook switch (as someone had written about earlier) to make calls even with the dialer removed. Nines and zeros were the toughest to consistently dial, but I eventually learned the speed required.

Since we were on a party line, calling someone on that same party line required a special protocol. You would dial a special code followed by the 4 digit number, then hang up. You would hear the called party's divided coding ringing sequence occur, and when it stopped that meant they had picked up. You would then pick up and conversation would take place.

Little did I know then that I would later spend almost 30 years in telecommunications as an electrical engineer, learning how all that phone gear worked.

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12/08/2009 1:51 PM

If you can tell us how it was connected manually P2P with patch cords, looking on lights, Trunk overhead lines, marine-cables [submerged in sea ... noise of line selectors in switch rooms, you always lnew which route is through, now route of your call changes packet by packet by the best route selected by thousands of computers at your disposl .... what a new picture.

Thanks to Electronics advancment in quite a short span of time wrt Mechanical Engg.

We had been proud of our line in 60s when we came from vaccuum tubes to Transistor the to IC ....

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12/08/2009 12:50 PM

I'm 41. I found an old "Bell" rotary phone.I kept it on my desk for laughs. Amazing how soothing dialing a number can be.

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12/08/2009 1:38 PM

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12/08/2009 2:13 PM

I will say one thing, the rotary phones almost ever broke down. Now, do you remember having a party line? That was fun.

And the telephone operator that pulled and pushed in the plug for your connection?

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12/08/2009 1:14 PM

When I was 5 yrs old (60 yrs ago) I fount a 3" scrap of wire beeath the community party line near a pole (no outside calling yet). Grandpa said "yes, that is telephone wire". It had a dark spot on the end, I thought it was a hole through it, and that was how I surmised folks could talk, through the hole!! 18 year later, The Bell Tel School taught me different!

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12/08/2009 5:23 PM

I'm not quite over sixty yet but I couldn't have guessed the use of this pencil, even though I served an apprenticeship in telecom in the late sixties. In the UK the operators were issued with ball pens with a solid plastic spherical end about ½" diameter (pre metrication!). Sorry, I couldn't find a picture.

Regarding the old exchange names, I remember a "St Trinians" comedy (English upper class boarding school) where one of the girls end up in court and she hands the old judge a private note. On the note was just her tel nº 437 XXXX. The rest of the people in the cinema just saw phone nº but I recognised the exchange as GERrard, which was in Gerrard street, in Soho, the red-light district of London, where I started my apprenticeship. The implication was obvious to me but lost on the rest.

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12/09/2009 3:02 AM

Several people have mentioned tapping the cradle to mimic the function of the dial. In fact Strowger who patented the automatic exchange in about 1891 (he was a funeral director, and, was upset because one of his rival's relatives worked in the exchange and kept redirecting his calls) intended the pulses to be sent by tapping the cradle. The patent for the rotary dial was awarded to other employees of the company about 5 years later (and 4 years after the installation of the first 75 subscriber exchange).

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12/09/2009 3:59 PM

A Uk perspective on the Rotary dial and the instrument pictured.

in the Uk we had Rotary dial telephones a pay phones for the public in Red telephone boxes all over the country.

A modification of the instrument that we have all been discussing enabled free calls to be made as the modification enabled the dial to to be produced without fully completing the charge code.

I cannot remeber the precise details as it was along while ago!

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12/10/2009 2:25 AM

comes with these:

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12/10/2009 5:37 AM

It's obviously escaped from PlbMak's treasure trove of items intended for the long-lost and lamented Friday Afternoon CR4 Picture Quizzes....

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12/14/2009 12:23 PM

While on the subject of telephones, my ex was a telephone operator at one time.

She got a call from an irate customer who had dialed a "phone sex" number and paid for 5 minutes worth. It seems that he had accomplished his purpose after 2 minutes and the gal at the other end hung up on him.

He wanted the phone company to reimburse him for the other three minutes.

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01/12/2010 8:52 PM

Its a parchment scraper (eraser).... because it was in use before the invention of paper.

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