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Friday! What's Del Got?

01/06/2012 10:48 AM

Ok what's this?

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01/06/2012 10:49 AM

Worlds largest toothpick?

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01/06/2012 10:54 AM

Looks like an old Alaskan kayak paddle...must be sticky 'cause you have gloves on.

The Hawai'ian ones were pointy like that so they could be used as weapons as well...

Does it have baby seal blood on it? Is that why it is sticky?

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01/06/2012 10:54 AM

Obviously, it's a plunger handle for aircraft toilets, so Dell doesn't get blue hands servicing them.

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01/06/2012 10:54 AM

An arrow, from one of those siege weapons.

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01/06/2012 11:00 AM

I agree with passingtongreen: a quarrel (a really big quarrel).

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01/06/2012 11:54 AM

I agree as well.

Del, can we see the business end?

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01/06/2012 11:00 AM

A bolt for a ballista.

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01/06/2012 11:01 AM

But the big one

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01/06/2012 11:30 AM

A coffee stirrer being held by a Lilliputian?

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01/06/2012 11:35 AM

Antique blunt force defense weapon.

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01/06/2012 11:42 AM

Its a javelin to hunt rats.

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01/12/2012 11:15 AM

Good grief! How big are the rats there?

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01/06/2012 11:57 AM

Where's the arbalest that it fits?

(Take THAT cuda pete!)

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01/06/2012 4:46 PM

Not an arbalest, but I think it was propelled by gunpowder.

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01/06/2012 4:57 PM

Oh well. It was just a shot in the dark anyway.

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01/06/2012 11:59 AM

I think its an old arrow from a machine like this one, perhaps for getting into a castle or defending one, which is also what some others have said, I just added a picture.

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01/06/2012 12:04 PM

A camera.

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01/06/2012 12:10 PM

Gloves and goggles too.

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01/06/2012 12:37 PM

A little less hair.

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01/06/2012 12:32 PM

Looks like a Cannon camera, but its hard to tell with Cupid's arrow blocking it.

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01/06/2012 1:38 PM

warmer...

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01/06/2012 2:00 PM

It looks like the tail of a medieval lance.

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01/06/2012 12:55 PM

A late life example of the species Hominid Britannica, characterized by typical hair loss, pale flesh, and a taste for bad lukewarm beer. Frequently utters phrases unintelligible even to close tribe members (splarf) in engineering circles used as an avatar for a most handsome and intelligent cat.

And a ballista bolt

Of all the places for spell check to not recognize ballista

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01/06/2012 1:02 PM

Ha, it's not a balista bolt, although that's what I thought it was when it was handed to me! Although it is a projectile.
What was on the other end? And from what was it projected?
BTW it's about 450 years old, hence the gloves.
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01/06/2012 1:31 PM

Is that a "V" shape in your hand?

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01/06/2012 1:39 PM

The butt end is dead flat.
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01/06/2012 1:50 PM

Yes yes, still looks in the photo like wooden 'fletching' if you will

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01/06/2012 1:57 PM

Indeed, just so.
From what was it projected, at what, and to what purpose?
And where was the projecting mechanism?
Answer the last and the others may become more obvious...
Now what happened in 1545? Maybe you were drunk and missed it?
Hmmm too many clues

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01/06/2012 2:29 PM

It was fired from a cannon, trailed a rope and the other end was a grapple.

And it was used on the bow of French barges in the Battle of the Solent

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Warmer.

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01/06/2012 1:41 PM

Mangonel bolt?

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01/06/2012 1:48 PM

Other end could be anything from iron pointy bit to stone pointy bit to a rock bound in place to just fire hardened wood

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01/06/2012 1:53 PM

450 years old would fit nicely with a Naval warfare scenario. Was it used in a system for igniting another ship with fire?

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01/10/2012 11:13 PM

that's one old dude

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01/06/2012 1:12 PM

It looks like a "lofting pole" to me: a pole which comes in several pieces, and, is used to place decoy birds in trees.

Trouble is you look as though you're in doors, so, maybe you're just painting the ceiling?

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01/06/2012 1:18 PM

A nearly petrified boom stick from a really old witch.

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01/06/2012 2:56 PM

"What's Del Got?"

From some of the comments on this thread, apparently a sense of humor (humour for you Brits).

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01/06/2012 4:09 PM

And apparently a feline's delight in torment

The crafty rodent eater has left the building without satisfying our curiosity

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01/06/2012 4:28 PM

You know how they delight in playing with their prey.

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01/06/2012 3:01 PM

No one would have recognized it as an artifact of the Ancrum Moor battle anyway.

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01/06/2012 3:05 PM

See I thought about Ancrum, but the denial of ballista, it was mostly foot and calvary battle...

I'm sure crafty cat will be back eventually to satisfy our curiosity

Maybe busy with warm beer

wish he'd hurry up (tap, tap, tap I knew I shouldn't have made that crack about warm beer, pale Brits, his hair)maybe it was the crack about his avatar?

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01/06/2012 3:19 PM

It may not be that one, I don't know.

That was the first thing I came to when I stepped into the "WABAC Machine".

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01/06/2012 3:33 PM

It's a hand from a medieval clock.

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01/06/2012 4:32 PM

a rocket launcher with a knob to adjust for vertical flight?

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01/06/2012 4:41 PM

It is one of 480 darts fired from a vaso, possibly from the ship Marie Rose!

What a cool thing to behold!

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I think you may be on it

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01/06/2012 5:04 PM

But did you find any thing that tied the the Marie Rose to the vaso i.e. exactly 480?

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01/06/2012 5:23 PM

Here is my reasoning:

1. Del said it was about 450 years old.
2. It looks like a huge arrow, but Del did not reply to those that showed a crossbow, which is the only thing that would launch something like an arrow.
3. It also looks a bit like a Knight's lance, but the ease by which Dell was supporting it implied that it was not as long as a lance.
4. Odds was that it was a medieval projectile, but did not look like a spear.
5. Then I started thinking it might be a navel weapon (either ship to ship or shore to ship). Since I could rule out a crossbow and it would be too heavy to loft by hand, gunpowder would be a possible alternative.

A little digging found that prior to cannons (both the camera and the guns) the English experimented with something from Italy that looked like a vase lying on its side with a wooden dart as the weapon. Some drawings showed something close to that.

I figured it must have been from something famous and this led to Henry VIII and his favorite ship, Marie Rose, which had an armament that included 480 of those darts.

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01/06/2012 5:13 PM

Between you all you've got it, but not neccessarilly all put together quite right.
I'll post the full details tomorrow.
That's UK tomorrow which is probaly some other time for most of you!
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01/06/2012 5:17 PM

TOMORROW!?

You are an evil, evil cat

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01/06/2012 5:17 PM

Whaling Harpoon?

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01/06/2012 5:25 PM

I looked at that early on and not one harpoon I found had a tail with wooden fins or any fins at all.

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01/06/2012 6:19 PM

Ok.
I'll tell you now as it's been so nearly nailed down by AH.
WJMFIRE got it first in post #28 (following my date clue).
It's an incendiary dart for firing from a cannon on the Mary Rose in naval warfare. It had a large spike on the tip and a bag of incendiary mixture, with two fuses nailed to the shaft below the spike.

I originally thought is was shot from some sort of crossbow/balista etc. But they were put down the barrel of a cannon after a tampion.

Over the holiday it was my birthday (the big 60) and my daughter arranged a special visit to the Mary Rose where (because of my bow making) I was privelidged to be allowed special access to the collection, particularly the bows. It was a rare treat and it took a couple of days to get the grin of my face.

Some of the cannon were breech loaders which looked pretty impressive.
I'm currently building a 90 pound draw weight Longbow which is about the lower limit of the Mary Rose bows.
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01/06/2012 6:41 PM

And who said you were just another pretty face?

Congratulations on your skills and accomplishments. I'm sure you enjoyed yourself.

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01/06/2012 6:41 PM

Do you have more pictures that you could point us to?

That must have been a wonderful experience.

Happy Birthday!!!

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01/07/2012 3:45 AM

Here's a few pics, one of the best bows, one of the knobliest which was most interesting for me as a bowyer, and a shot of part of a breachloader cannon with a stone ball still in the breech section. And some 'bollack' dagger hilts, so named for obvious reasons.


Some of those hilts look almost new! Some of the items were in chests or completely covered with silt which kept them in a stste of good preservation.
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(Whadda ya mean, shameless self publicist?)

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01/07/2012 11:18 AM

'delsbows'

desbows didn't help much

Bowyer's is a most handsome site!

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01/07/2012 11:28 AM

Try this

(be fun when ER sees that 'spelling' Del)

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whoops .. typo alert

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01/07/2012 11:55 AM

Easy to figure it out, although I was surprised google did not

Most handsome sites! Had you announced previously that you were blogging?

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01/07/2012 2:02 PM

Had you announced previously that you were blogging?...
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01/07/2012 2:14 PM

Obviously I been outta the loop - my fault for being intermittent

Again my compliments!

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01/08/2012 6:50 AM

Did you see Mary Rose's futtocks? (OK - go on, look it up).

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01/08/2012 11:54 PM

Oh, and 'you're welcome'

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01/09/2012 4:36 AM

Age and brewer's droop....??

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01/09/2012 4:45 AM

The age is certainly catching me out now, I've just got my latest bow tillered to 90 pounds at 28" but I can't get it back to full draw.
I'm on a regime of pushups twice a day with my hands fairly well spread to build my shoulders back up.
Hopefully I'll have finished the bow and be shooting it next week.
Here's how it's looking, two big redish knots on one side of it make interesting features (they also make me pretty twitchy when winching it back!)

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01/09/2012 8:40 AM

Mongols hold the string by the ear and push the bow away - tiny little 'tards drew 160lb bows.

Of course they also lived on raw meat and mares milk...

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01/09/2012 8:48 AM

I was wondering the same thing. That is, has Dell tried that technique?

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01/09/2012 8:54 AM

I used to shoot a Bear laminate at 95lbs, arrows looked as thick as your thumb to take the stress, was never trivial drawing that thing even if you used your feet. Mine was old school with white fiberglass, snagged at a garage sale for $5.

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01/09/2012 8:58 AM

Good heavens, they just get stranger every year - no wonder Del went traditional

Del if you ever want to play with other traditions I just found these:

Mongolian Archery

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01/09/2012 9:02 AM

Is this the "Mad Max" model?

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01/12/2012 9:20 AM

Nah! The Steampunk version....I feel a whole new hobby coming on!

Until I saw that, I've always favoured traditional bows (I have a modern material Mongolian recurve and a couple of bog standard western 3-part recurves) but seeing that has got my brain whirring.

I shot a friend's umm...blast can't remember the technical name...bows with pulleys and stuff...once. Very odd thing and I wasn't inspired. Making one with cogs and stuff appeals....

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01/12/2012 10:10 AM

'Compound' <spits on floor>
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Bit snobbish eh?

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01/12/2012 12:01 PM

No, I just value simplicity and elegance.
I admire the performance and engineering of compounds, they are just not for me.
If you had to rely on a bow for survival, I think the self wood bow which can be made in the woodland is a better device.
The concept of owning a bow that you don't know how far it will shoot seem bonkers to me, yet many archers with modern recurve target bows and compounds don't actually know what they have in their hands.
Check out this video, a granny got shot with an arrow from a compound. An arrow from a wooden bow wouldn't have had the speed/trajectory to have done what that arrow did.
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01/12/2012 12:04 PM

I'm sure violin makers feel the same disdain for electric fiddles.

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01/12/2012 12:39 PM

What comes to mind are the lyrics to a Joe Cocker song, but that was the bathroom window. Seems to me that woman is lucky to be telling that story. As is the archer.

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01/12/2012 12:55 PM

Know your target, and know what's behind your target!

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01/17/2012 1:44 PM

I think you missed part of the video. She was shot in the face, not the behind.

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01/17/2012 2:18 PM

Actually, it doesn't matter where she was shot.

My point was/is the shooter should always know what his target is and what is behind his target - in case the shot either misses the target or passes through the target.

In this case the shooter was totally oblivious as to what he was doing.

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01/14/2012 4:35 AM

I'd agree with the first part as I made my own bows as as child/adolescent (due to no money).

But: "An arrow from a wooden bow wouldn't have had the speed/trajectory to have done what that arrow did."?

An engineer arguing that superior performance is a bad thing?

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An engineer arguing that superior performance is a bad thing?.
No, I'm arguing that the trade off in increased speed/accuracy isn't valid when considering the real purpose of a bow which is providing food (or killing an enemy).
Most hunting would be done at about 15-20 yards, maybe out to 30-40 absolute max for a big target. At those ranges the power and accuracy of a 'primitive' bow is more than adequate.
The native Americans could shoot an arrow right through a Buffalo whilst riding alongside on a pony.
If you then factor in the superior reliability/repairability of a 'primitive' it becomes superior in a working environment.
I've never seen a guy with a primitive fumbling about for an Allen key or adjusting his sights.
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"I've never seen a guy with a primitive fumbling about for an Allen key or adjusting his sights."

More a personality thing in my view. I bet you see enough stringing/un-stringing, nock tweaking and '4 drops of rain' carry on, among 'primitive' aficionados for any 'working opportunity' to be long over.

Same crowd, different realm

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01/14/2012 4:18 PM

Not taking bow sides - but love the pic!

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"Sides"? Ha!

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01/14/2012 8:26 PM

Hunter's weapons are semi-religious

I just nod and say Uhunh

I've used modern (last century?) recurve and compound. Both have advantages.

Never tried primitive and am really jealous of someone here who has a mongolian bow.

But criticize someone's toys? Not happening.

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I hope you don't think I took #109 in the context that Del knows I have a compound bow in my collection.

It's actually quite funny as he also knows it's the only one with a sight (of sorts) because I had great trouble adjusting to the flat trajectory when I first got it. Now I just have great trouble finding arrows that travel 10's of yards under litter, instead of landing nicely upright and visible.

But carry on - no doubt with the comprehension skills around here you can have 20 people thinking Del and I have issues.

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01/14/2012 10:32 PM

Of late seems like the forum is just a bit twitchy and I keep getting in various silly conflicts.

But no, wasn't worried about you and Del - unless you think there might be some fun in it?

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01/15/2012 3:07 AM

You can tell there no probs... look at the dudes avatar.
He's a Dog fchrisake an I jus give him 2 back eyes.
Mind, at least a dawg can sniff out the arrows under that leaf litter.
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01/15/2012 4:50 PM

As you just saw, there is more fun in That Cat than you can "poke with a sharp stick".

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01/09/2012 9:08 AM

Yeah, who needs all that crap?
Those guys must spend forever fiddling about adjusting stuff.
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01/09/2012 9:46 AM

I had one of those fancy doo-dads with wheels, once.

They must really work. The animals must have learned to recognize them and would hide whenever I went hunting.

Little did they know they were safe from me and might have gotten a laugh watching me try to shoot the thing.

My wife sold it on e-bay.

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01/09/2012 12:32 PM

Oh, I assumed they were designed for fiddlers. Maybe a current bow hunter will wade in

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01/12/2012 10:32 AM

Looks very similar to a Bear Kodiak Magnum I had about 20 years ago. It was "only" a 55 pound bow, but that was plenty for me.

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01/09/2012 9:06 AM

Nope, but I'll give it a go.
The modern target archery style draw is no good for big bows.
I start with the bow held low in front of me with my hands down about crotch level then heave up and out like the old Charles Atlas chest expanders. It has to be one smooth committed effort using back, shoulders and arms whist inflating the chest helps too. The other alternative is starting with hands high like a demented bell ringer.
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01/09/2012 1:40 PM

I suggest you add semi-supinated (palms facing toward the body) chin-ups (pull ups) to your regime too.

Push-ups help strengthen your triceps, pectoralis (pecs) and anterior deltoids which is great for pushing a load away from your body. They don't do much for muscles required to pull your arms back against a load such as the latissimus dorsi (lats), trapezius, forearm muscles and biceps.

I have found that both push-ups and chin-ups are excellent general purpose exercises.

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01/09/2012 1:51 PM

I don't have anywhere convenient for chip ups, but I can do a few under the open tread stairs at work... hmm maybe I've just figured out why all the girls wear trousers.
With the push ups, I think it's actually lowering myself slowly which is best as I can work the back/shoulder muscles. Drawing a bow doesn't actually use the arms that much, when we do 'have a go days' I get kids to do it right by saying imagine there's a Ninja creeping up behind you and try to elbow him in the face.
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01/09/2012 2:32 PM

Lasts year I built a set of chin up bars in my back yard for my kids (and me)...the Christmas before last my wife got me a device which hangs off the top of the door frame for doing chin-ups. It works and seem stable, but still makes me nervous about damaging the frame.

Lowering yourself in a push-up still doesn't use much in the way of back muscles (although better than nothing). Both pushing up and resisting falling on your face use the same muscles (until your nose contacts the ground - that's entirely a different exercise).

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Yeah but it's a bit tougher if you clap at the top of the push and then have to catch yourself, which is what I'll be doing as I progress.
I used to be able to do handstand push ups (against a wall) , don't s'pose I could do that now.
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01/09/2012 5:07 PM

Yes, clapping is tougher, as are one-handed and handstand push-ups.

In my younger days (not too long ago) I was trying to get where I could do them without balancing against a wall. I never made it, but got a good set of shoulders trying.

Too bad my wife can't see me doing those now.

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