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Invasion Technology

Posted November 11, 2010 2:31 PM by LakeGrl

I was watching the 1998 movie "Enemy of the State" the other day, and noticed there was a lot of satellite tracking and GPS location, buildings set up to block the signals, eavesdropping, phone tapping, and discussions of suspending civil rights in the movie. The good guys, acting as bad guys, were after the wrong person of course. It was interesting because this was all pre 9/11, before Homeland Security and heightened scrutiny measures, and these technologies were already in use.

The movie got me thinking about the recent increase in airport security and the actions taken against persons deemed suspicious. They can actually frisk you while using their palms and fingers to probe for anything that may be hidden. If forgoing the pat-down, airport officials can ask passengers to walk through low-level radiation scanners that generate images that look like nude photos.

Are these types of technology a positive thing, as in the case of running off a deserted highway, unconscious, and having the right people finding you like OnStar commercials suggest? Or are these new technologies an invasion of privacy?

For this blogger, it raises questions like: can they tell how fast I am going by my EZPass? If I leave my computer on, will someone be looking through the camera? Do I really want someone tracking my shopping habits? Is Big Brother (1984) really watching through the cameras at the intersection, and checking my email? Am I paranoid or just cautious? Should we be overly concerned if we Twitter or are on Facebook? What do you think?

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11/11/2010 8:25 PM

This is a contentious question. It means different things to different people.

I contend that through a long process of of cultural indoctrination we have (either by design or accident) conditioned ourselves to believe that other people or agencies should be responsible for ourselves.

In some cases this make sense. We create a military to secure our country's interests and defense. In other cases we are simply trading our liberties for security. For instance, we surrender our right to carry a weapon for self defense in the hope that a criminal will respect that as well and not carry a weapon, too.

I personally feel that airport security is one of those liberties (at least in part) that is being traded for a sense of security. The bad guys know that and are playing on our fears just for that purpose. This is the crux of terrorism. The idea is to make the populous afraid and therefore willing to change their lifestyle and ultimately the principles by which that culture operates toward a direction of the terrorist's choosing.

In other words, terrorists are trying to break down our society through the leverage of fear. In response we surrender our liberties, one at a time, to some authority that we demand security from. In doing so we slowly transform ourselves from a free society to a form of tyranny.

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11/11/2010 10:59 PM

The same argument could be made that we are allowing a plutocracy to take over our government for the sake of a "free market". They are training us to irrationally despise any type of regulation.

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11/11/2010 11:36 PM

Since before Moses, now by the same people.

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11/12/2010 12:33 AM

If we could just get rid of the bad guys.....

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11/12/2010 6:11 AM
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Is Big Brother (1984) really watching through the cameras

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I told my grandkids the electric eye on the automatic flush urinals and toilet were cameras and people on the other side knew when to activate the flusher.

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11/12/2010 6:32 AM

LOL!!!

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11/12/2010 6:36 AM

I have (literally!!) nothing to hide.

I don't want a bomb on my plane and I don't want it to fly into buildings either.....so I accept any security measures made, good or bad.

But of course, anyone with anything to hide (little willy?) may not like them!!!

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11/12/2010 8:32 AM

In the US we have something called the right to not have unreasonable search and seizure. It is the 4th Amendment and it specifically states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

As with everything in the Constitution is it pretty clear, but we have the Supreme Court of the US (SCOTUS) to help interpret the meaning when needed.

The problem is, what is unreasonable? If you take the words literally you can make a case that this (airport searches) is a violation of the 4th Amendment. People and citizens are being searched and there is no probable cause for any specific person that they do search. There is a general danger about, but no specific targets, so everybody gets searched.

You can also make the case that "I have nothing to hide, so search away." However, that opens the door wider for other searches. After all, if you have nothing to hide, why would you object to random searches of your car, your person, or your home upon demand of some authority? The popular catch-phrase in the US refers to a time in Germany when they uttered, "Your papers please!"

What if those searches are non-invasive? An example is the new vans the government has here that use back-scatter X-rays to "see" into buildings and houses. Would it be acceptable for police to simply drive up and down the street checking houses as they go for criminal acts or even medical emergencies?

As a passing thought, a wise man once wrote, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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11/12/2010 10:00 AM

you can plead your 4th amendment rights as you watch your flight take off.......without you

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11/14/2010 12:58 AM

As you can see, libertarian logic is an axiomatic system that bears very little resemblance to standard deductive thought. The recycled platitudes are like robo-answers.

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11/14/2010 8:08 AM

talk about recycled you seem to fit rhat criteria, ......

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11/14/2010 7:36 PM

Actually, I have been around long enought to know what "recycled" really looks like.

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11/14/2010 9:07 PM

I'm sure.....one can assume a culture when long enough

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11/12/2010 9:31 PM

Your plug-and-play platitudes are over rated as usual.

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11/12/2010 8:15 AM

Be patient, I'm working around the clock to build a light speed ship to carry all the bad guys to another planet.

Until it gets done, some liberties will have to be sacrificed.

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11/12/2010 8:37 AM

Yeah, I have seen schedule slips before! ;-)

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11/13/2010 8:49 PM

Have your people give you some more GA's for this last one.

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11/14/2010 8:31 AM

You must be a very miserable person. I feel sorry for you.

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11/14/2010 7:33 PM

I don't have paranoid delusions about government (or anything) and so I am quite happy. Also, my father was not alchoholic.

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11/14/2010 8:41 PM

All that may be true, but why attack people personally? Why hide behind "Guest"?

What contributions have you really made here? For that matter, what contributions have you made anywhere?

If all you have left in life is to attack people and their views without a supportive argument, then you are probably more miserable than you know or admit.

Your self diagnosis may be right. You may not be paranoid, but you openly display antisocial behavior (which tells everyone here you have problems) and you have already received more time from me than you deserve.

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11/15/2010 9:41 AM

GA for being on topic.

Sadly, we cannot quite cancel your self imposed 5 off topics....yet anyway!!

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