Conspiracy Theories

Government/big business suppression of free energy, or perpetual motion machines.

GA for this one. This one never seems to die. Every year or so, another one circulates around the net by well-meaning, but ignorant people.

Sorry for the ignorance, but what is GA? I googled and nothing jumped out at me.

Unless you're trying to hide something??

I have a theory that Conspiracy Theories are actually created by a secret Governmant Department (probably housed in Area 51)
The purpose being to distract the populous from the half arsed policies of the government.... .

Damn...that was meant to be funny...but I've just realised it's probably true.

Del

Wait a minute.

That's EXACTLY what I would expect to hear from someone who didn't want us to think there was a real department out there engaged in convincing us that it's just a myth that there may be departments which are deliberately leaking the truth about that department's non-existance while also existing within the bigger reality of an all-encomposing department of official non-denial denials.

And you're part of it. Well...I've caught on to your little scheme my feline friend.

And what to make of your cat-ness, eh? Cats. The opposite of dogs. The most famous dog is Cerberus - guardian of the underworld, where all is forever in shadow. So you want us to think that makes YOU the guardian of the light, eh? The truth? HA!

I know there's an answer here somewhere. I just have to finish putting all the pieces together. And when I do then EVERYONE will know!

Nah! Take the example of congressmen railing against oil companies because they are conducting and oil business. It makes a flap which some bleeding hearts will pick up and keeps the ill informed at bliss.

And of course the 500 mpg engine that the oil companies and the automotive companies have suppressed. Or the new engine design that works on water...

What about the carbuerator(?) that, supposedly, allowed for over a 100 miles a gallon that the patent was bought and paid for by one of the big oil co.'s and then round filed? Bad, bad billionaires (or millionaires?)...

Ferris, It was called the "Pogue Carburetor" .

Dragon

'specially when it was your Congress that allowed it to happen. Congress to Fix it?....they don't even know what "IT" is..........if your congress is anything like our Canadian parliament they'll need to invent a conspiracy if only to maintain their own brownie points.

Del is up to something guys, so keep an eye out...... He auspiciously did not take the bait about the Kris/Del time machine did you notice , something is afoot....

Cheers

Haliburton

Haliburton

Duckinthepond:

It's a tool and not responsible for how it is used.

Enron

Eh?

Enron..........the guys who built a refinery that nobody needed................and then bilked the energy sector trading futures contracts...........invented the term "brownout"

Be nice if we had ten of those unneeded refineries to joke about

Agreed. At least one that doesn't get blown off the map.

Conspiracy? What consipriacy!

Its the New World Order, funded by the Fed, Bank of Canada, Bank of England, IMF, etc. Affiliated organizations are too numerous to mention, but the one that gets me the most is the FDA. Give me mere governmental corruption anyday!

GA

I guess I should answer my own question, huh? nafta and the promise of a north American union that it brings to our world here in the "new country"... Anything that the government says is ok, when we know that it really isn't. The FDA for sure ...

How many Amero's will it take to shut you up Ferris?

None. Only DOLLARS inscribed with the United States of America and in GOD we trust are excepted here in Ferrisville. Ameros need not apply

I was in Holland just before the Euro.. There were a few of my friends there that had the same attitude about Guilders...

They all use Euros now....... and every one of them gave their Guilders back to the government....

Alot more is going away than the currency

jobs, education, suv's, corn on the cob.......just to name a few

It starts with our sovereignty an grows exponentially

Did they have a choice, though? I mean they really couldn't go and print their own guilders to continue using could they? I guess if it came down to it, then the amero would become the thing to use, disgustingly crappy idea. What then, leave my country? Hmmmmmmm, going down under has never looked better ...

Are you talking about Federal Reserve Notes $. Dollars are 28.75 grains of gold or 581? grains of silver Per the united States Constitution that has not been amended to change it even illegally.

Brad

U V, If you would please, show me where I may purchase this Gold or Silver with a dollar? The money may be stated as having that value (I do not know, having never been able to find that article in the Constitution) but I am unaware as to where a USD may purchase that amount of any precious metal.

Dragon

US silver Eagles and US gold Eagles.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gold+eagles+coins

Federal reserve notes are currency (what ever they are currently worth by agreement) not dollars, commercial paper: signature; seal; serial number, traded as a commodity. Backed by a fractional banking system, don't ask you don't want to know.

I get some free time I'll see what I can find for you. I've pulled as many as five shifts in two days. One and half today(14hrs). CR4 has been my wind down to sanity before bed.

Brad

Money, Money, Money -

recommend you go to the library and read three books -

a) The Richest Man in Babylon

b) The Creature from Jekyll Island

c) The Truth About Money

Jim

Thank you eagertask, those will do fine.

Brad

Welcome -

These are the three that I always recommend in mixed company. The RMIB I always recommend to high school students starting about about the 10th grade - easy to understand who to pay first - YOU.

The CFJI is a great read - check it out first at the library, or see some of the William Griffin videos on the net although they don't do the subject justice - I bet most in this forum would decide to read it in the first five minutes. The best part is that this 580 or so page book can actually be ready by chapter intro and summary in about an hour and you end us with a rudimentary understanding of the subject and the issues - most then decide to do the whole book. If so, I generally recommend 15-20 pages then reflect for a day or two before diving back in; if you enjoy and believe, pass your copy around -

So, RMIB tells you about the concept and developmental start of banking from over the last 4-6 millenia, the CFJI tells you about just how dangerous, pervasive and ingrained into our world today it is, and the TAM gives you a few thoughts on what to do about it.

Either way - you will NEVER be able to read the news of listen to TV spin about money or bank 'bailouts' again as a mushroom . . .

If you get through those three then start investigating little items like gold bullion under the WTC that was never recovered, or double insurance payouts due to the TYPE of structure failure etc etc etc you will see 'ct' in a whole new light -

good luck all

UV, Thank you for the link, I will add it to my list of favorites. Get some sleep.

Dragon

yada yada it's all fiat money

Sad but true

Bye bye Bill of Rights

Conspiracy theories?.....YES! I love All of them...

Just have to wait and see which ones (if any) are ever let out of their respective "bags" for all to see...one way or the other.

There is One exception...I HATE what's happening with oil prices! WHere's the shortage? When was the last time Anybody here drove to their nearest gasoline station only to find a "Out of Gas" sign posted? I think it Sucks that a small room full of people can dictate the world's economies! When oil goes up...everything elses follows suit to everyone's detriment.

I have my sub-space homing beacon blaring...awaiting the mother ship....

Stop stop oh please stop you're making too much sense my head hurts or that's what they tell me. I wanted to say it just once.

All points we are apathetic regarding ourselves. A high percentage of the last two generations haven't a clue and poor education to boot. History will repeat itself even if we don't study it.

The current and immediate future problems are setting us up to accept the 'amero' happily. Don't think be happy...

Human nature is to want MORE: we never seem to be happy with what we have - be it wanting that new car, or hi-fi, or freedom we'll never use in its entirety.

China has been where the US is heading. Ever seen the decadence of Xi-an? The country is now in resurgence...

Look at what happened to the Roman Empire, the Egyptians, the British Empire - although its decline has been softer due to the Third Reich.

Will we ever learn that more is not always needed - especially when it comes to politicians and their terms in office. Here MT did well once, so the population voted her in again - twice - and watched all the good work go to pot. Same with TB.

Who needs conspiracy theories: its only looking for MORE ?????.

This is the why of it...

These days if anyone discovers something pertinent they can squashed by calling it a 'conspiracy theory', their credibility is tainted, buried and will never recover.

I have to track this down, back in the seventies a professor I believe from the University of Wisconsin-Madison (Go Badgers) A economics professor stated in 20-40 years the communist will have more freedom the the demacratic countries at the time.

Interesting shift.

DCad, There is an old saying where I come from that pretty well sums it up: "There has never been a shortage of human beings willing to kneel at the feet of another."

G.A. By the way

Bulls-eye GA

My favorite is the HHO guy who feels that all those educated in science are part of a conspiracy to put down the home shop tinkerer who is showing them their Laws of Science are wrong. I really have too much fun trying to get him to be realistic and take off his tinfoil hat. Water as fuel? Not when it takes more energy in than it puts out.

I don't doubt that some inventions were bought up just to suppress them and save some company's existence, but businesses have a hard time keeping conspiracies. Now the government can continue a conspiracy just by marking it ultra top secret, making sure anyone who knows and shouldn't "accidentally" dies. But even that is not easy, because there are a lot of very suspicious people out there looking for that so they can prove their case.

2 people can keep a secret, as long as one of them is dead.

It definitely shocks the old comfort zone. Especially for us of the Disney Generation where good always wins, and only villains do those type of things.

It is a case of denial (that river in Egypt), Stun from that frying pan of reality slapping you up side your head, Acceptance that turns to anger, And the realization that a emotional reaction does not put you on the path to the right mountain. Yes experience can be a cruel teacher.

Brad

ok well i was told a long time ago there was a problem with what i do and the government but as of yet i have not been abducted as it maybe the shirt i wear

FAT PEOPLE ARE HARDER TO KIDNAP

and does a government supress ?

hell yes i worked in a government print shop i saw the list the canadian governemt has hidden and the USA well one can only think of the size of that room ?

they will never get me i tell you never never !!!!!

Richard

How about the "vast right wing conspiracy" that upset HRC in the 90s? It has now been eclipsed by the "media conspiracy" according to Slick Willie.

Reminds me of the words in the song about Charlie Brown...."how come somebody's always pickin' on me?"

1. Attempts to find simple or even primitive explanations for complex things.

2. Desire to justify own(personal, national, humankind) faults as a result of miracle enemy activity.

3. Simple realizing that you're sharing right now something very secretive about something mysterious.

These three(and maybe more) reasons are laying in foundation of great vitality the "conspiracy theories" phenomena. This phenomena is tied unbreakable with human beings nature. It is not a big problem if some part of society likes these theories and/or even is guided by ones at their living ways. So much of what was named as conspiracy today had dubbed for past times as mythes. Mythes are part of culture in historic aspect. Mythes are good and absolutely harmless for education, studying and other like issues. Mythes/conspiracy theories are incredibly dangerous if its converted to basement for society living motivations.

Though without mythes it would be so bore to live.

I have been out with some very pretty Myths, OH SORRY, you did not mean that quite......

Doctor "Big breaths Miss".

Miss "Yeth! and I'm only thixteen!"

Andy, ROTFLMAO!!!

Dragon

Fundamentally conspiracy theorists long to believe that it is all a plot, as opposed to understanding that so much chaos can come from simple greed.

At least if there is a plot, there is a plan, and someone in charge.

Whereas if this mess (pick one) is the result of random actions of greedy, power-hungry people; then his personal ox can get gored at any time.

Sort of like belief in god. Conspiracy as pacifier.

Plus a dandy remover of personal responsibility! Bonus!

The one strong theme through all the "Conspiracies" that I have seen is that in spite of good solid evidence to the contrary, many people still WANT to believe in the Conspiracy!!!

I also find that the ones taken in are usually the same sort of person that gets taken in by Door to door salesman and the like. eg. Conspiracy believers are born not made!

After over 60 years on this earth, I have also noticed that the people who believe in such things are often those who think badly of their fellow man, my Mother was just such a person.

She trusted no one with her money, because if the shoe had been on the other foot, she could also have been a person who might have taken more than she was entitled to, so she believed it of everyone around her!!!

She was strongly racist and it got worse with age......

She was told to stop smoking as she had Emphysema, by her Doctor, so she found another Doctor (who smoked) that told her it would not make any difference....But it did and she became almost bedridden, no breath to talk or move and guess which Doctor did not ever visit her ever again, the one who smoked of course. He died of smoke related diseases a few years later himself!!!

She was always right in any argument and if you tried to point out the error, she would use that "lack of breath" as a reason to totally ignore you. I found the only way was to walk out immediately she was nasty, or lied. My wife of 54, who is German, was always a Nazi in her eyes, even though my wife was really nice to her......

My mother could NEVER EVER APOLOGIZE or admit she was wrong in any way shape or form.....she ruined her own life and the quality of it completely. She was never in the slightest bit nice to my Sister in Law, who was also good to her.....

These people actually live very shabby, unloved lives with no friends to visit.

Watch out for people like this, avoid them if thats at all possible, they try and drag you down to their level......never ever let that happen.

Rant over, sorry......

Xenophobia aka belief in "conspiracy theories" or "belief in myths" went, goes and will be going along human society as it'd been planted deep inside into ours nature. To identify ourselves, to make such kind of definitions as friend-enemy, lovely one - stranger etc. is hard controlled function of psychology.

Yes the easiest way to determine difference between people is its race. So racism is usual thing as for medieval times so and for nowadays. More profound kind of separation is based on religious, ideological, professional and other like features.

I do not see here a great problem. Everyone of us time to time had experienced such shameful feelings. But here's a clue point do not lose an ability to feel a shame further and do not lose a capability to estimate what you did bad and what you did good in your life. It's a key issue whether or not you're possessing a culture. Culture is universal regulator which does not cure completely dark sides of men's nature but keeps this dark side of soul in civilized margins.

My mother also like Stalin till now and do not want hear any my arguments that this monster had destroyed millions of lives and all her baby sisters have died "thanks" to him and her mother has died along some 7 children died in family of my dad when he was a boy. And what? She simply refuse to listen. I suppose a fear is guided her even now.

But it's right of ours parents to believe in what they believe at all . Duty of sons is looking and going ahead in the name of endless fighting for better future. When I said better I didn't mean materially aspects I mean better understanding of what is goodness and what is badness.

I'm so worry now that so much people over the world are caught on the same hook or are trapped the same trap.

There are plenty of conspiracy theories but I prefer the conspiracy "truths", like how our Federal Reserve Bank is not federal, how the unconstitutional ammendment that created the Fed was created on JP Morgan's private island (Jekyll Island) off of Georgia. It was written by the most powerful bankers in the world and sponsored by that snake, Senator Aldrich.

And how can anyone say that after watching the presidential election process for 2008 say it isn't rigged? Every 4 years (other than during Reagan) we have to decide between the less worse candidate. There are 300 million people in this country and those 2 are the most qualified? Absolutely not, they were chosen and I don't mean by the people.

The vast majority of us are sheep so those guilty are getting what they deserve. I read "Atlas Shrugged" over 10 years ago for the first time and am currently re-reading it right now and it is scary how much we have progressed towards collectivism and the picture Ayn Rand painted just in that period of time. I know who John Galt is, now I just want to know "where" he is so I can move there.

I just re read Farenheit 454, and was amazed at how well Bradbury's vision of the future has come to match reality. Even to the large LCD panels people are putting up in their homes....

Absolutely, "Fahrenheit 451" is another great example. But instead of burning books they hide and ban games, movies and books. Then if you buy something that is questionable you are likely added to a list.

In "1984" they had the television screens that also watched you, and Comcast has started working on add-ons to their cable boxes to monitor your viewing and what they are considering is a system that can "see" how many people are watching and reading their reactions.

Bradbury, Rand and various others wrote those books to warn society but it is more like a "how-to guide" for suppressing freedom and brainwashing.

"the presidential election process for 2008"

The worst part is the money trail (crumbs) seems to agree with the Fed bleeding the USA. Oil speculation is the new property speculation but the driving force is still greed for money and power. Andrew Jackson was shunned by history taught when I was in school but he caused the banks to be fully USA for 60 years. Speculators and wars were used to put us back on the "FED" bleeding program in 1912. For our 3rd Federal Foreign Bank.

But that isn't conspiracy just history

Brad

The problem with conspiracy theories (at least when applied to the U.S. government) is that they attribute incredibly high levels of competence to flawed government agencies. The CIA missed the fall of the Soviet Union. Most of the intelligence community missed 9/11. We were told that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and assured that the FEMA director was doing a "helluva job" after Hurricane Katrina.

If a UFO lands on the White House lawn, it just might come as a surprise to everyone - both inside and outside government.

If a UFO landed on the White House lawn, there would be those who would "see" it, and those who wouldn't "see" it.

We have recently seen studies that confirm my experience that if it isn't in the mental database - you cannot "see" it.

And both groups would want to save us from the other and lead the American people to safety.

Like sheep

What if Iraq had nasty weapons that were built by the US, France, Germany or Russia. Would it do the world any good to implicate ourselves or our allies?

Err... ...they had weapons sold to 'em by USA (Rumsfeld himself went there) in order to fight with Iran .

Dunno if they showed on TV the US Senator or whatever trying to screw George Galloway for 'meeting with Sadam' ? George pointed out that Donald R had met Sadam more times! It was hilarious!

Del

GA there Dragon, my sentiments exactly. How else can big business make BIG money if there is no war to fight?

We knew Iraq had nasty weapons because we have the sales receipt

Not that I expect this response to get through the secret US Government server that all internet traffic goes through en route to its destination... but 9/11 was an inside job - demolition explosives. The planes were just a cover - the buildings couldn't have come down that way unless the core was dynamited in the correct sequence etc. Well now that I have sent this, I expect a knock on the door any second and I'll be dragged off to Camp XRay.

... Unless I outsmart them.

Maybe I should cover my tracks a bit

.... er... signed

Del

Knock-knock..

As for notorious conspiracy scum around 9/11. I suppose here is multi-folded "conspy" as I admit that terrorists had not certainly any means neither intellectual nor technical to predict such disastrous effect of their anti human crime act. It makes too much "respect" for them that they had not deserved at all.

There were a set of awful coincidences: lack of competence from secret service agencies, ease of contemporary airplanes piloting, complacency of air companies staff (when everyone could get to pilot's cabin) and of course "flaws" in towers' design.

So they are either the most corrupt or the most negligent intelligence agency. Friend of mine in MI (army) said they had broke the terrorists codes 9 months before 9/11 and he figured it was a fund raiser. I don't think he is still with us, he picked up a neurological muscle disorder in Kuwait that was in its last phases and I haven't heard from him in a few years.

What I don't understand about 9/11 is the Pentagon. To many discrepancies when the largest investigation of theft in the military was going on (2 billion dollars missing) in the only yet to be hardened wing. All the major parts of the plane including the engines went through a 16 foot hole and the first announcement after the start of the investigation was the bodies can't be identified because the intense heat destroyed the DNA. Much later they stated the bodies were identified by their finger prints. (I don't think so) Of the thousands of reported video footage that was confiscated by the gov., the only one released of the reported plane and it was impossible to tell anything but that it was silverish. As my Grandfather used to say that dog don't hunt.

Odd that the Waco scandal papers where in the Oklahoma city bombing basement that any demo person can tell the building either had to be flawed(as very substandard work) or the bomb McVey set didn't create the blast radius. The anfo should of had a circular blast radius but it wasn't even close. The blast wave destroyed the basement not just buried it and there was no Line Of Sight to create that damage.

Same Modus Operandi or just coincidence?

Also a conspiracy is when to or more people act together to commit a crime.(short and dirty Def.)

As a Constitutionally abiding American I wounder what list I just made.

Brad

ps I wrote this over two hours ago and my internet when down trying to spell check it. I'll blame it on the MIB's

Hey, I live in the U.S. and I often feel that it was an inside job. Supposedly there is a quote from someone that is high ranking in the white house saying, " that we need another Pearl Harbor for.........._______________(fill in the blank) ." I think the attack on Pearl Harbor is very questionable as well. Not that the Japanese did it, mind you. Just that the gov't knew that the Imperial navy was on the way to deliver a polite knock on the door to say "hello, can we sink a few of your ships?" Was it a simple coincedence that all of the aircraft carriers were NOT in port that morning? Where were their support groups, or were things done differently back then? I would hate to think that "our" government would be SO willing to put its people in harms way... but then I realize that this is not a perfect society and that our elected "officials" will do what it takes to get money flowing to whoever pays them a high enough amount, or lobbies hard enough to get it done, or however you want to put it....

Cheers

Whoa, who can that be knocking on my doooooooooor???????????????????????????????

Hey Ferris,

Pearl Harbor was tactical bait set by the US to get Japan to attack. I wish I had the information handy so forgive any errors but an American military intelligence (I know oxymoron) army air core officer Lt. Commander McCollum, that grew up in Japan was the son of a missionary in Japan before the war was asked by his superiors to develop a plan to get Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. It consisted of 8 or 9 steps that the US government implemented. It worked.

My Dad is a Pearl Harbor history buff and when I asked him about it he said he had never heard of it and very politely told me I was full of bull. Later that week they had a show on Pearl Harbor and it confirmed everything I had found. My Dad still will not talk about it. He just gets mad and clams up. They (Americans of the time) were all lead to believe Japan attacked us unprovoked, but the whole thing was needed to get us into the war and keep Europe from falling.

I wounder if others waited with the handy Patriot Act for a similar emotional reaction to get their raping of our rights past congress or

Brad

Yeah, one would wonder, hmmmmmmmmmmmm wonder, wonder, wonder, wander lose train of thought. Oh, ok I am back... This is the 2nd time that I am going to try and get this to go through... The pentagon is one that I find intriguing. The "initial" hole was 16' in diameter and then after the following collapse (you know after the structural damage broke down that outer wall) it was a bigger 70-75' in diameter. Hmmmm, the plane that hit it is 125' wide (tip to tip) and stands 45' tall at the tail section. Where did ALL of the plane disappear to? Listen to people in the know and they say that it disintergrated on impact because it was being flown so fast. But the damage inflicted at the pentagon just does not seem to follow the amount of damage that was done to the WTC. At least in my lil' ol' mind

How come all of the video tapes in the surveillance cameras that are in the area (surrounding the pentagon) that point in the direction of the impact were taken, "confiscated?" What was being hidden?

How come NORAD, the "detector" of nuclear missles etc., couldn't get a pinpoint on the other plane that "went down." Is it really that hard to find a plane on radar that doesn't have its transponder on?

Cheers