Inventors...Has This Ever Happened to You?

thank you thank you.

For those who didn't want to spend any time on him here is an excerpt:

Koestler's basic idea is that the creative act is a "bisociation" (not mere association) which happens, if two (or more) apparently incompatible frames of thought ("matrices") are brought together by an ingenious mind.^[2] In jokes and humour, these conceptual systems are reversed, in the arts and in ritual, they are juxtaposed, in science, they are fused into a new larger synthesis.^[3] This corresponds to a "self-assertive" tendency in humour and a "self-transcending" tendency in art, while in science both tendencies are balanced.

This seems to be happening to me as we speak and I had never heard of the man.

Thank you gsuhas

What a nice find, Ky.

You are right, horses for courses it is. Like I said somewhere above "it would be boring otherwise".

Welcome to CR4 BTW, Ky.

Thanks KY for appreciation.

To read this book is very great mental exercise. It took me more than 6 months to read this. Difficult to digest fast.

The appendices of the book are simply marvelous.

http://www.modeltfordsnowmobile.com/

obviously an idea that took hold... thank you.

great story... thank you.

you should invent wireless remote controlled pop-up deer, so when you get out to the quarry with your friends, you get to watch them blast away with all their ammo, only to find the deer still smiling, and you laughing, when done. Or how about a robotic deer that takes a hit, and then locates the source of the shot, and proceeds to chase the hunter for a bit... making loud noises...lol

thanks.

Chris

The animatronic deer could return fire with blood red paint balls

"the names on the patent are of course the owner, his son, and their lawyer"

People who do this invalidate the application automatically.

It's IP theft and false swearing and deception of the Registrar of Patents. Quite frowned upon.

Proper procedure is to name you and have you assign your rights.

If the company sold for sizable $'s on the basis of this "asset" - might be worth your while to get some advice.

GA overall.

Too bad there aren't more lawyers around on CR4. I say everybody hates lawyers till they need one. I also say, My Crook is Better than Your Crook.

You are right Russel. It must be a dozen or more times that I have asked people to get on to their friends who are in the patent business and let them have their say. Only once in all those years has one responded and that only to create business for himself.

I had a friend who I used to drink with years ago and he was my patent attorney at the same time. Scotch by the pool and then some more. He explained that being a cynic does not stop him from making money in an impotent and ruthless trade.

My crook was better than other crooks but I paid through my nose and in the end was betrayed. He was a nice man but that was hard to be proved and litigation would have eaten my soul out.

Again, has anybody an attorney as a friend who could and would be able to call a spade a spade? Spit the beans so to say? It sounds so one-sided around here and I would love to hear something from the horses mouth. One crow does not pick out the eyes of the other. I understand, Ky.

Your experences fit in with mine in a general manner......sadly.

I got a call from my crook's office yesterday, reminding me that today is the deadline to file my PCT application for international patents.

This was after emailing me that they needed to get started on it 2 weeks out.

Interesting....2 weeks had lapsed, but yesterday afternoon, they felt, they could still get it done in time, (before today), to the tune of $1200.

Total cost, including application fee, $3500.

Needless to say, it didn't happen. The way I figure it, I would never have the money or the time to pursue international infringers anyway, so why bother.

By the way, the PCT application only reserves my right to file in other countries, for, I believe, 36 months. Individual applications still have to be filed in the other countries that I want patent protection in. This could easily get into 10's of thousands of dollars.

That said, I still think it was worth spending the money for a patent attorney, to write and file the patent. The wording, description, drawings,(which I did), etc. need to be done in a certain way, which was beyond my scope, and probably most other idea people.

I used a friend of a friend.. no agreements..

$1400.. omg.. can I say HA!

next time of course.. will be another story

ga.. great ..simple advice

This is excellent advice, not just for patent attorneys

say the words & document them

unspoken agreements are problematic at best

on the business part act like you are out for blood, because that is what those types expect, you will gain some level of respect. You will be tested, as an inventor you are just another resource to be exploited.

Yep, I'm working on the production aspect of my little idea today.

Because of lawyers willing to take on frivolous lawsuits, most large companies refuse to even talk to an independent inventor. It's been a learning experience. Needless to say, my initial excitement has worn off.

At this point, I've got too much time and money invested. I have to keep going. I'm within a few weeks of being able to make and sell my product from home. Just getting the necessary license from the county to allow me to make these at home was a battle.

There is a lot of work to do, just to make sure, "The Tax Man", can get his cut of anything I do sell, also.

Personal opinion: Get a good business plan, and exit strategy, worry about first to market, then sell the company, let them worry about copyright infringement. Unless you want to do it all yourself (but, it doesn't sound like it).

Interesting, it took a year for them to catch up to your vision at the boat company. You tried to take them too far too fast, meanwhile they were stuck in their preconceived notions of what they did & how they did it.

The cross pollination you achieved was a fairly short walk from racing to recreation.

many times the road to innovation is a battle against the companies, public, financiers or competitors ideas about their place in the market & what is possible

there is some level of satisfaction, just seeing your ideas come to life

Disclaimer.. I don't really know for sure, but I think that...

THIS is a real life example of a product that is currently being repressed in the US.

I used to be able to buy these just about anywhere.. Also branded as Ryobi or Tim Allen.

This design must have put a big hurt on the utility knife.. aka the "Stanley knife"

For the first couple years... It was my most favored knife.. despite a little jamming issue when i would fill the thing with mud and debris.. .. these are great!!.. the blades are sort of long and narrow.. tough AND surgical sharp! .. don't ask ....

Then one day.. Poof! They were all gone from Home depot.. Menard's.. everywhere..

...anyhow.. In a few years, the patent will expire and I won't have to go on line to buy them...

...I'd mark this as 'off topic', but there seems to be some debate on that.

That suggests a choice. I doubt we have any, Ky.

There is ALWAYS a choice. Even when the choice is to do nothing. The fact that the majority overwhelmingly chose one option over another does not negate the fact that the choice exists...

You are right, of course. I am doing that as we speak. I am given choices but the time frame is in my hands. Again, it reminds me of a game of chess. A versed opponent in the art will sacrifice a figure or or least present it for the taking.

The challenge is to not react and if, know and be aware of the potential consequences. Greed has never won a game and sacrifices are unavoidable.

This endgame has been played before by many others and that dejavu feeling is setting in. True to the title of this thread, it has.

Wish you were here and not only you. These guys can breath thin air, I can tell you, Ky.

Make the pictures bigger please.

I had to down load it and then enlarge and stll guess a little for the RH side (when I could read the left, it was easier....!)

Its also untrue, sorry.

They only go the legal path, otherwise how could they fight for a mass murderer and try to get him free on a technicality?

Most criminal lawyers that I have met are 110% unethical.......corporate ones a tick better, but only just.

Old joke:-

What is it when 50 lawyers are lying chained together, drowned on the ocean floor.

A damn good start!!

Is it just me, or is it a coincidence that you never hear of a lawyer being bitten by a shark? Professional courtesy at its finest.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/613582/Re-Off-Topic-Post

I bumped into thisthread

which leads to this site

for the post patent inventor

Thanks Garth

Seems that something is in the air, Ky.

Have a look at this and one of the links supplied. "Say no more Ky, just shut up and be a good boy!"

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/13646

Ky, Getting ready to go get another cortisone shot in foot, but: My first polarizing litigation in a United States District Court was accomplished by overcoming Supreme Court Decision, over 30 years and 300 cases that said in no uncertain terms 'Say no more Robert, just shut up and be a good boy!" I won by arguing new law, using word of law. The government sent there best legal team to Colorado from DC, I was in front of the most Conservative Roman Catholic Judge, I could not win.

I'm just saying: Don't believe anything you read or hear, the legal system in the US depends on the argument and how it is presented. Unfortunately, our cookie cutter university education system (sans Latin) does not promote thought just regurgitation of information. Therefore, not very many good lawyers, just .......

sorry folk, didn't log in before I ran off at the finger.

anyone who beats the lawyers at their own game is a genius imho! well done.

sorry Ky, that guest comment was made by me and the one responding to that one.

Hey you've got a fan club :D

Hey guys,

If you get a chance, pick up a copy of Sept issue of Popular Science. It showcases high school inventors. It's very encouraging...........oh, and very humbling.

The Black Ops article is pretty interesting too.

The present system of granting patents (asking for design details instead of concept) need reconsideration.An expert or genius may have a wonderful idea but patent will not be given. But another person who has design experience could develop that idea by including design data and get a patent.Is this practice fair?.Design could be done by any design engineer or a company,but how many people have wonderful ideas which can change our lives?.

I showed this desgin (tracks) to my son in law for the first time yesterday, and he said immediately. "Those already exist!"... at which I stated that I had found a manufacturer in Edmonton. I wondered why they were not common, as there was such a need, and he said that they were extremely expensive, at thousands of dollars per track....

Does this sound inflated to anyone? I've written to the company... don' t know whether or not they will tell me the price.

Chris

I think McLaren (1-800-836-0040) would be a good starting point to research prices and applications. They're closed today.

awesome!

thanks,

Chris

don't know if this is good or bad news. those treads are exactly the same as those used on bobcats for muddy jobsites. or rather they used "chains" which looked liked bars. or even dockside safety ladders wrapped around the tires. there are even clones of them too.

yes was pondering how to charge up an engine with oil and pressure before actual starting it up. thinking of using a small car fuel pump inline with sump oil. turn on 10 seconds before cranking up. 10 years later was buying bolts for boat engine and the shop owner starts telling me about this "pre start oil lube pump" that you turn on before starting boat motor and even tells you how much pressure you have in the oil line. industrial gearboxes even have oil lube spray before start up now.

I am in the club too.